In response to the recent disclosure that former Pats video employee Matt Walsh doesn’t have (and presumably never had) in his possession a tape of the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, a couple of former players expressed relief.
“I didn’t even know about a walkthrough,” linebacker Willie McGinest said. “We couldn’t win any games with any cameras on the field. It’s just players giving everything they got, playing hard. Whatever Matt Walsh does, I never really knew the guy, I never seen him when he was here. I never get involved in that.
“I just know the Super Bowls we won, it was all through hard work. A camera can’t defend, or tackle, or throw a pass, or kick a field goal, or do any of that. I know what it took to win every game, one game at a time. It’s definitely hard work and dedication.”
With all due respect, Willie’s being a little naive here. If there had been a tape of the walk-through (which assumes that there even had been a walk-through, which has been a matter of debate in some circles), there clearly would be a benefit. The coaching staff would have known which plays were coming out of certain formations, and thus could have told the players on defense what to expect if/when they see certain formations.
And the coaching staff surely wouldn’t have explained why they knew this, and the players would likely assume that it was the result of legitimate film study.
But none of this matters, because there wasn’t a tape.
Quarterback Drew Bledsoe, who was Wally Pipped by Tom Brady after Bledsoe bled internally following a vicious hit during the regular season, chimed in as well. “I’ve followed it,” Bledsoe said. “I’ve talked to some people about it. To be honest with you, my take now is the same as it’s always been. Every team in the league is trying to do everything they can to get ahead. I’m sure most, if not all, are bending the rules in some way, shape or form. This just happened to be one that was very public, and the organization has been reprimanded for it.
“As a player here, I never did see anything other than what was already reported. . . . Was it a violation of the spirit of the rules? Absolutely, it was, but I think all of that has been readily acknowledged.”
The irony here is that these reactions to the news that Walsh has (and had) no tape were harvested by the Boston Herald, which reported on February 2 that the Rams’ walk-through was indeed taped. The situation was taken to a new level of weirdness when John Tomase, the person who wrote the Herald story regarding the existence of the tape, penned an item on Thursday parroting attorney Michael Levy’s contention that Walsh wasn’t the source of the February 2 story.
But, frankly, how does Levy know what his client did or didn’t say to Tomase or to anyone else? We know for a fact that Tomase and others in the media were chasing Levy for months. We believe based on what we’ve heard that Tomase and others knew that Walsh was telling tales of a videotaped walk-through practice at Super Bowl XXXVI in the wake of the September 2007 Spygate scandal, but that Walsh wouldn’t go on the record at that time. We also believe that Herald editors and/or executives declined to go with the story without Walsh going on the record. And, finally, we believe that Walsh’s decision to go on the record with the New York Times in an item that was published on February 1 prompted the Herald to conclude that it would be prudent and appropriate to finally print a story regarding the taping of the walk-through based on things that Walsh had told Tomase.
As of February 1, it appeared to us that Walsh was getting ready to crack. If he did, and if another publication had been the one to get him to start singing on the record, all of the time and money that the Herald had invested into chasing the guy would have been wasted. Moreover, an opportunity to break what could have been one of the biggest NFL stories of all time would have been forever squandered.
We might only find out whether Walsh was indeed the source if (when) the Patriots sue the Herald for defamation. Though we don’t know how the rules of journalism regarding the disclosure of a confidential source apply when the publication is getting sued for the statements that the confidential source has made, we suspect that the Pats lawyers would push aggressively to force Tomase to disclose his source.
If that happens, we’d bet a month’s worth of lunch money that Tomase will say it was Walsh.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:32 am
John Tomase needs to reveal his source. Lets find out why he wrote the story. We need to find out if there was even a source or if he just tried to beat everyone to the story. If there is smoke there is fire and hope they are right.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:41 am
The Pats would be stupid to sue for defamation. They’d risk opening another can of worms. Just let it die.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Everyone seems to forget that even the NFL acknowledged its own rule had a gaping loophole - closing it in 2006. The reported nature of the tapes proves that they were edited for analysis AFTER the games… not during the games and therefore were true to the nature of the rule prohibiting game day use.
People also seem to forget that this is about sideline taping only - the NFL condones taping from elsewhere in the stadium with the other team’s permission. Does everyone believe a team wouldn’t turn a telescopic microphone and telephoto lens on the other team’s playcalling?
Everyone also seems to forget that this has been going on for more than 50 years likely by every team - so let’s not get holier than thou over this http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html
Finally, no one still has asked or received an answser to the question of why Levy, a high priced DC attorney found it in his heart to represent Walsh. Is there any connection between him and his previous lawfirm and entities with an interest in the NFL? Hopefully someone in the press knows how to use “Google”.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:55 am
I want to know why it took Walsh and Levy 103 days to say “oh by the way, we’ve never heard of a St Louis walk-through tape.” Oh that’s right, they liked the thought that they may have it because it helped their cause. Funny how that works.
Can someone please finally let this dead horse lie? Everyone wants there to be so much more to this, and it’s just the same thing after the same thing after the same thing. Get over it. It happened. It’s over. Let’s move the F on…
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Lost in all this seems to be the idea that video-taping is merely the most efficient and accurate method for “scouting” an opponent - something that could also be accomplished (more or less) by someone sitting in the stands during games and taking copious notes and then comparing those notes to legitimate/legal game tapes. My guess is that every team does something to try to get a predictive advantage with an opponent unless they’re stupid. Okay, so the Lions probably don’t, but still . . .
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May 9th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Matt Walsh is what we thought he was. A douche bag. As well as every yellow journalist who believed and printed what they thought he might have said.
All the haters just lost their last chance to beat the Pats. Granted that’s beat them off the field cause your teams have consistently failed to do it on the field.
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May 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am
A month’s worth of your lunch money or Tomase’s lunch money? BIG difference.
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May 9th, 2008 at 8:25 am
All this “cheating” talk sounds like a bunch of mad 3rd graders at a dodgeball game. ALl teams are doing something to get ahead. You can predict a ply out of any formation just by watching past game tapes, a walk through isn’r going to help with anything. Face it, the Rams WR’s are and have been pansies, and they got beat up that game, to the point of being afraid to run routes that may get them knocked down. Just look at Big “Baby” Holt since that game, he falls down when someone is within 5 yards of him.
There are too many ways to predict the play out of any team’s formation, a tape of some “walk through” isn’t going to help anyone. Let’s get off of this crap, I’m tired of seeing it, and hearing about it.
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May 9th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Absense of Malice! An older movie starring Paul Newman and Sally Fields… No intent? Why write the story the day before the SuperBowl? Did Thomase really have a source? The timing of this whole incident reeks!
If I were Bob Kraft I’d sue the hell out of the Herald…In my mind they never had any evidence and decided to run the story without a second source? It’s well known the issues between the herald and BB! He doesn’t do “Hardknocks”, or other things “to pacify the media”.
Could this be a little payback? Would have to ask Thomase, oh wait he’s not talking! To bad Specter can’t use the anti- trust exemption vs. the media???
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May 9th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Florio,
I was under the impression that the Rams walk-through was a short session on plays they may, or may not run in the red zone. If I’m not mistaken the Rams were 1 for 1 in the red zone in that game. Tape, no tape, walk through or no walk through the Patriots certainly didn’t seem to have an advantage on the knowledge of the Rams red zone plays.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Darthjay
I’d like to know why in 103 days Tomase never dropped any hints that walsh wasn’t the source of the walk thru tape rumors. I think that says loudly that Tomase believed he was. Sounds like walsh was simply bragging, but didn’t have the goods to back it up.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Memo to PFT.com - this story is so stale, it is making another series of expose’s on Barry Bonds, steroids in baseball and Barbaro look riveting. GIVE IT UP.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Florio - a lawyer question. Can New England sue for defamation now that the tapes were destroyed? I’m not a lawyer, but it would seem to me that the Boston Herald could claim that the evidence that they were right went up in flames in the NFL HQ and no one could prove that they are wrong. I know if I was on the jury, I would definitely have LOTS of reasonable doubt about piles of evidence that was destroyed. Not saying that the smoking gun WAS destroyed or even existed, just asking how can anyone PROVE that it was not.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Maybe if this site wants to be considered as legit journalist they should learn the media laws of confidentiality and do a better job giving background for their stories. Do not fall in to the ESPN trap of only giving the basics to fit their needs.
Waterboy. The evidence is written in the Boston Herald. Although Defamation would probably be hard for a Football team to prove.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:53 am
east96st,
I’m sure others rather then just Goodell viewed those tapes. I’m sure they can testify that a tape of the Rams walkthrough was not in those tapes. Also, if it is revealed that Walsh was the source, he clearly would not have access to the tapes that the Patriots provided to the NFL. There should be some retribution for Tomase’s erroneous and fictitous account.
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:53 am
I don’t take Willie’s comments as being naive, he was supporting his former coach(and to an extent his present coach), and reinforcing that his achievements are legit
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May 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am
“Everyone seems to forget that even the NFL acknowledged its own rule had a gaping loophole - closing it in 2006. The reported nature of the tapes proves that they were edited for analysis AFTER the games… not during the games and therefore were true to the nature of the rule prohibiting game day use.”
Jeez. Just shut up already, Joe! You seem to forget that these aren’t laws we’re talking about, and you can’t hide behind “technicalities”.
“Everyone also seems to forget that this has been going on for more than 50 years likely by every team”
And “they did it, too!” is not a viable defense, either.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:09 am
What everybody seems to forget about the defamation suit is that it will be held in a Massachusetts court in front of a Massachusetts judge and jury. The only people I’ve heard in Massachusetts who believe the Pats have no case against Tomase and the Herald are Herald employees and reporters. As a Massachusetts resident there’s no way a Mass jury doesn’t find Tomase and the Herald liable for damages no matter how good their lawyers are. People in this state are pissed and most sports fans I talk to stopped buying the Herald after they printed the walk through story. Unless Tomase and the Herald can get the trial location switched because of bias they are screwed if this goes before a jury.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Personally, I don’t think there’s any benefit in suing the Herald. If I were Kraft, I would simply send the Herald a letter telling them that that they will not be issued any more media credentials, the entire Herald staff is forbidden to access private Patriots facilities (including Gillette), and that they are prohibited from attempting to solicit information from Patriots employees for stories.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:31 am
anyone who testifys for the nfl that they “saw the tapes but didnt see any of the rams walkthrough” cannot themselves know if they saw all the tapes b/c… the evidence was destroyed. Unless someone trys to come forward & say that they were there when the Patsies actually handed the league office all of the tapes (even then they cant be sure) then noone can try and say that he/she saw every tape for sure. That There Folks is practically the Definition of Reasonable Doubt.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Here’s proof that the NFL just wants to sweep spygate under the rug:
Fact 1 — When the eight Walsh tapes were handed over, Aiello immediately said that the Walsh tapes did not tell the NFL anything new:
“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” league spokesman Greg Aiello said. (See Rotoworld, May 8, 1:51 a.m.)
Fact 2 — When reports later came out that the Walsh tapes included taping of OFFENSIVE signals, Aiello said he couldn’t comment because the NFL hadn’t looked at the tapes yet:
“We don’t know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven’t looked at the tapes,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. “One of them is labeled ‘OFF signals.’ None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we’ll have more to say about that.” (See Rotoworld, May 9, 8:42 a.m.)
HOW CAN YOU FIRST SAY THAT THE TAPES SHOW NOTHING NEW AND THEN LATER SAY THE TAPES HAVEN’T BEEN REVIEWED YET???? Answer — you jumped to the conclusion that you wanted the world to believe, that there was nothing to see here, please please move on and forget about this episode that threatens to undermine the credibility of our game.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:33 am
The evidence or proof is no longer important since it was mostly destroyed or suppressed. There was no crime here, but there was blatant cheating going all the way back to 2000. They admited it.
Now the effort is to squash it and move on.
Personally I don’t care what is said on the subject from here on out, my opinion of the Pats has permantly been altered.
I saw all the games and at the time was blown away at how good a playcaller and gameplanner BB was. In hindsight, they must have been able to crack the codes of playcallers or they are just smarter than everyone else in the NFL.
Why else would they continue to do it after 2006 when they had been specificly warned to stop doing it, unless the benifit was great enough to warrant the risk?
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:33 am
New England fans may be tired of this story and I can’t say I blame them. But I don’t think this will make the story go away and it may not be fair, but neither is cheating.
Tomase/Walsh ‘08
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:46 am
@vox veritas: the Pats have acknowledged using the loophole. Thats it. They were penalized severely and still won. Now get it over son. You can’t kill them all because they used that loophole. McGinest said it right and everyone knows it. The Pats proved what he siad is the truth by winning all of their regular season games last year. Enough said.
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May 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
As far as Joe Schmoe Fan knows: the Pats “said” the gave tape(s) to the NFL league offices promptly & in full and that the offices “said” they viewed & destroyed the incriminating evidence immediately thereafter. This gives, in turn, the NFL plausible deniability based on their own word whenever they choose to use that card.
There aren’t that many logical explanations as to why they league did that, but just fer shigs & gittles lets list a few…..
a) they dont want to shine a light onto anything that might give the government reason to want to explore lifting the aint-trust exemptions that the league has been awarded
b) the patriots did a lot more cheating than they want anyone to know
c) that several teams were actually taped doing the same things
d) that an inquiry/investigation into the situation would reveal that almost all teams do what was reported about the patsies & more
…..and dont think the NFL didnt know people wouldn’t come to these conclusions, they aren’t worried, because @least now we can’t prove anything b/c all other teams that may or may not have done similar things have already been ordered to expung their own evidence(s) from exsistence. If the Patsies weren’t so cocky/forward in continuing already rumored practices that they were warned not to do anymore/ever again then none of this would have ever become an issue.
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