In response to the recent disclosure that former Pats video employee Matt Walsh doesn’t have (and presumably never had) in his possession a tape of the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, a couple of former players expressed relief.
“I didn’t even know about a walkthrough,” linebacker Willie McGinest said. “We couldn’t win any games with any cameras on the field. It’s just players giving everything they got, playing hard. Whatever Matt Walsh does, I never really knew the guy, I never seen him when he was here. I never get involved in that.
“I just know the Super Bowls we won, it was all through hard work. A camera can’t defend, or tackle, or throw a pass, or kick a field goal, or do any of that. I know what it took to win every game, one game at a time. It’s definitely hard work and dedication.”
With all due respect, Willie’s being a little naive here. If there had been a tape of the walk-through (which assumes that there even had been a walk-through, which has been a matter of debate in some circles), there clearly would be a benefit. The coaching staff would have known which plays were coming out of certain formations, and thus could have told the players on defense what to expect if/when they see certain formations.
And the coaching staff surely wouldn’t have explained why they knew this, and the players would likely assume that it was the result of legitimate film study.
But none of this matters, because there wasn’t a tape.
Quarterback Drew Bledsoe, who was Wally Pipped by Tom Brady after Bledsoe bled internally following a vicious hit during the regular season, chimed in as well. “I’ve followed it,” Bledsoe said. “I’ve talked to some people about it. To be honest with you, my take now is the same as it’s always been. Every team in the league is trying to do everything they can to get ahead. I’m sure most, if not all, are bending the rules in some way, shape or form. This just happened to be one that was very public, and the organization has been reprimanded for it.
“As a player here, I never did see anything other than what was already reported. . . . Was it a violation of the spirit of the rules? Absolutely, it was, but I think all of that has been readily acknowledged.”
The irony here is that these reactions to the news that Walsh has (and had) no tape were harvested by the Boston Herald, which reported on February 2 that the Rams’ walk-through was indeed taped. The situation was taken to a new level of weirdness when John Tomase, the person who wrote the Herald story regarding the existence of the tape, penned an item on Thursday parroting attorney Michael Levy’s contention that Walsh wasn’t the source of the February 2 story.
But, frankly, how does Levy know what his client did or didn’t say to Tomase or to anyone else? We know for a fact that Tomase and others in the media were chasing Levy for months. We believe based on what we’ve heard that Tomase and others knew that Walsh was telling tales of a videotaped walk-through practice at Super Bowl XXXVI in the wake of the September 2007 Spygate scandal, but that Walsh wouldn’t go on the record at that time. We also believe that Herald editors and/or executives declined to go with the story without Walsh going on the record. And, finally, we believe that Walsh’s decision to go on the record with the New York Times in an item that was published on February 1 prompted the Herald to conclude that it would be prudent and appropriate to finally print a story regarding the taping of the walk-through based on things that Walsh had told Tomase.
As of February 1, it appeared to us that Walsh was getting ready to crack. If he did, and if another publication had been the one to get him to start singing on the record, all of the time and money that the Herald had invested into chasing the guy would have been wasted. Moreover, an opportunity to break what could have been one of the biggest NFL stories of all time would have been forever squandered.
We might only find out whether Walsh was indeed the source if (when) the Patriots sue the Herald for defamation. Though we don’t know how the rules of journalism regarding the disclosure of a confidential source apply when the publication is getting sued for the statements that the confidential source has made, we suspect that the Pats lawyers would push aggressively to force Tomase to disclose his source.
If that happens, we’d bet a month’s worth of lunch money that Tomase will say it was Walsh.
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Every Pats Super Bowl victory = NOTHING
Cheaters!!! - walk through tapes or not…the tapes are clearly outside the rules of the game.
Pats will never get any respect from me. C-H-E-A-T-E-R-S
I hope Billy B didn’t fess up to these tapes and said that the previous tapes were the only ones where they taped opponents…if so here comes another fine Kraft.
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Bledsoe is right. To think other teams haven’t done (and are probably still doing) things as bad or worse as the Patriots did is foolish. This is a league that most head coaches have 2-3 years to prove themselves or they are fired. GMs don’t get much more leeway in building a winner. To think some or even a lot of these guys aren’t willing to bend or outright break rules to keep their jobs is very naive.
Why else has tampering being the league’s dirty little not-so-secret for a number of years?
Considering up to the Patriots cheating or breaking the rules has been nothing more than a slap on the wrist to teams, I am sure many teams were getting very creative in testing the boundaries of breaking the rules. Jim Mora Jr. used a cellphone on the sidelines and only got a $30k fine. The Broncos cheated the cap both their Super Bowl years and only got fined a 3rd round selection and a little under a million dollars. And no matter how people want to spin it, cheating the cap to get a better quality roster is far more of a competitive advantage than videotaping signals (just not as sexy). If the Yahoo Sports rumor is true, they weren’t even punished for videotaping the Chargers’ practice. So what was their to stop teams from cheating?
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
And I am not point to others to deflect what the Pats did. They were guilty and punished severly for their actions. It doesn’t change the fact that cheating and pushing the boundaries of the rules is probably far more prevalent than people want to admit and it definitely doesn’t stop with the Patriots.
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Patriots Super Bowl Wins = *
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Vox Veritas,
While I agree that the “everyone does it too” defense doesn’t fly for the Patriots to avoid punishment. It is valid in the defense that the media and some fans vilify the Patriots and Belichick as some evil group that are cheaters in a league of angels.
The difference between the Pats and a lot of teams are that they got caught and other didn’t. That does not excuse them from punishment, but it doesn’t change the fact that cheating the NFL is far more prevalent than people want to admit.
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Its not an F’ing defense? Why don’t you get that? The Patriots were wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG. OK? Feel better? The point is that there are a lot of NFL fans who need to come down off their judgmental high horses and stop pretending their teams doesn’t do something to some degree. THAT’S what is meant by “other teams do it too”.
Basically, get over yourself.
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May 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
FLORIO!
Did you not see the interesting seemingly new information in your own piece?!?? Look at Bledsoe’s quote:
“As a player here, I never did see anything other than what was already reported.”
Am I wrong, or is Bledsoe implying he DID know about the taping while a player in NE?! Doesn’t that contradict everything the players have been saying “I don’t know nothing about that.”
Look at his position. Isn’t it interesting the QB, the guy who would have the most to gain from knowledge of defenses, acknowledge he knew what was going on? Doesn’t this seem to imply that this went beyond mere “coaching studies for future games?”
I don’t know, but that admission seems significant to me.
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May 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Dan1919, a Cheerleader, says:
May 9th, 2008 at 7:32 am
John Tomase needs to reveal his source. Lets find out why he wrote the story. We need to find out if there was even a source or if he just tried to beat everyone to the story. If there is smoke there is fire and hope they are right.
Dan,
No reporter is going to reveal a source, unless he no longer wants to be a reporter. Once a source is revealed, would anybody confide in that reporter again? I don’t think so.
IMO, there won’t be a law suit. That will just drag this whole story out longer, and if the NFL wants it to go away, it won’t if there is a lawsuit.
If there was a lawsuit, where would it take place? Would they be able to find an impartial jury?
Like I have said umpteen times. IMO, most people have already made up there collective minds on this issue. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. The damage has already been done to the league. It should have never come to this, but it has unfortunately.
Goodell should have kept everything, but that is too late now. It gives the conspiracy theorists something to latch on to.
I am a Charger fan and I haven’t made up my mind on this issue. I don’t know what to think or believe at this point. I just hope the NFL is being straight forward and honest. I have loved this sport since I was a little kid and I don’t want to see it damaged.
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May 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Pats fans are so cute. They try to paint Walsh as some loner who did this all on his own, as if team management had no idea what was going on. Meanwhile, the tape of San Diego is clearly NOT Walsh’s doing. Heh heh. Oh you funny Pats fans.
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May 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
“Funny Pats Fans, a Cheerleader, says:
May 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Pats fans are so cute. They try to paint Walsh as some loner who did this all on his own, as if team management had no idea what was going on. Meanwhile, the tape of San Diego is clearly NOT Walsh’s doing. Heh heh. Oh you funny Pats fans.”
oh brotha!
Florio, I agree with you. I’d bet a months lunch money that it was Walsh too. I’d also bet that the Herald was not the only newspaper in town with the story, just the only one that would print it without anything to back it up.
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May 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Let me explain a couple of things for you non Pats fans.
We can read! Unlike the folks at ESPN who, one the one hand has Mike Fish reporting the story fairly accurately. On the other Mortenson and Clayton didn’t know that thier wasn’t a confidentiality agreement! They even reported it after Mike Fish had already done so! Tells me that the media who drove this story didn’t even have thier facts straight!
Speaking of facts straight! Senator Specter has done his share of speaking out of the wrong side of his mouth! Making a statement that there is a walkthrough tape! Not that there maybe a tape! During his book hawking, he clearly stated that a tape did exist!
Now we know it doesn’t and probably never did! Specter has absolutly zero credibility! Along with John Thomase!
Who was telling the truth all along, BB! I did this and that, but I never did see a walkthrough tape in my 31 years of coaching!
In this entire mess the person that had the most to lose was BB and he took his lumps, was accused of everything under the sun! At the end of the Day! Bill Belichick seems to be the only believable individual that seems to have not changed his story!
If you people had the same hate for Bin Laden, maybe we could’ve caught him by now! Oh wait, he killed 4,000+ americans, that’s not as bad as taping defensive signals?
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May 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Gee Whillickers its seems like resse is onto something, kudos to ya. Come to think of it when i 1st read that quote i had to do a double-take b/c it sounded, @least poorly worded. But Deadslow sure does (in)directly say “i saw signal-taping” in so many words.
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May 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Billsfan TY for an honest assessment of this taping issue! Why are pretty much all coaches covering thier mouth when they make a call?
They didn’t play the Pats every game did they? Any thinking person with some reasonable IQ certianly must realize this was a widespread issue! Why I’ve seen a bunch of teams in the NFL cover thier mouth when calling in a signal. I wonder why McDaniels covers his mouth when calling in plays?
Those of you who believe the Patriots where the only team doing this are beyond niave…I agree that the NFL wanted this to go away! I also agree that Goodell would’ve had to fine half the NFL’s coaches and teams. Then posters like AZcard would be swallowing alot of pride even if there franchise is just plain awful! I don’t care what others think! Whatever your opinion on “spygate”, well it’s your opinion! It belongs to you, enjoy! However, if you’re accussing my team of doing illegal taping or other things that aren’t true! You better have some hard evidence. If not shut your piehole!
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May 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Funny Pats Fans,
You are well are right. The Pats were well aware that Matt Walsh didn’t tape the Rams walkthrough. They were proven right so far.
Walsh didn’t act alone. There is no tape of the Rams walkthrough. The Pats authorized him to tape opposing teams sidelines. So far, that is all Walsh has seemed to have admitting to do. So yes, the Pats knew and ordered Walsh to tape the opposing sidelines of San Deigo. If you are talking about me talking about the rumor of taping the Chargers’ practice, that was the Broncos.
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May 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
reese,
If Bledsoe knew or didn’t know the Pats were taping defensive signals, how is significant? First, he might have just mispoken. But even if he didn’t, he may never have used the information.
Based on Bledsoe’s play under Belichick and the Patriots, it is incredible evidence to support the Patriots’ claim that they didn’t claim a competitive advantage if he did study the tapes. Bledsoe had a mediocre year in 2000. He had 3291 yards, 17 TDs, and 13 INTs while completing 58.8% of his passes. The Patriots were 18th overall on offense that season.
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May 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Vox Veritas, a Division Champ, says: “Jeez. Just shut up already, Joe! You seem to forget that these aren’t laws we’re talking about, and you can’t hide behind “technicalities” And “they did it, too!” is not a viable defense, either. ”
I think most people are aware these are rules of a game, not laws, but thanks for clarifying. My comments were related to those who assert that the Patriots should be punished MORE now that stolen tapes going back to 2000 (which Belichick had already admitted to) have surfaced.
Do you think the Commissioner should retroactively penalize teams for breaking rules that didn’t exist? That’d be an odd policy, but is exactly what some are asserting now.
As far as other teams cited in the 1967 article, as well as the admission of Jimmy Johnson that he engaged in the same practices as Belichick, I think everyone can agree that all teams should be treated the same.
If someone asserts the Patriots Super Bowl rings are tainted and deserving of an asterisk, they need to apply the same standard to the Cowboys championship seasons, and all the teams cited in the 1967 article. Specter and the Commissioner should also call in Grosscup to testify what was going on back then and see if they can find anyone else in the Bears organization who can speak to the allegation of cheating going back to 1955.
Or is this issue just a Patriots witch hunt and not about the integrity of the NFL in general?
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May 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
pats fell on the sword ass munkeys - why would they care about taping the jets so blatantly?? the JETS?? i could beat the jets with the patriots players…they wanted the issue front and center
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May 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Where’s Johnny Cochran when you need him? “If the tapes do not exist, you must cease and desist!”
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May 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Rob0769,
Fair enough. I also agree that you can’t read TOO much into a single quote like that.
However, one of the underlying contentions of the “it wasn’t a big deal” angle Belichick and others have taken is that it really wasn’t a huge part of their week-to-week operations. That it was a very small operation, with only the video people and some top coaches using the information in studies for future games.
This excuse is already seeming more flimsy as evidence that signals in the 2001 AFC championship game were taped. Why would it be useful for a “future game” to tape defensive signals in the playoffs?
More interestingly here, however, is this new “player involved” angle. I haven’t seen anyone in the media, the NFL itself or elsewhere start asking tough questions of NE players themselves. Everyone seems to have just assumed that they were “kept in the dark” about such activities (mostly because they didn’t fit the “need to know basis” levels of secrecy Belichick keeps within his operation).
Bledsoe’s quote seems to imply otherwise. That NE players were aware of what was going on. That they knew the tapes were being made. Also, as Bledsoe himself says:
“Was it a violation of the spirit of the rules? Absolutely, it was, but I think all of that has been readily acknowledged.”
SO he seems to be not only saying he knew what was going on, but that he also knew it was a violation of what the rules were trying to achieve (though it is indeed unclear if he is saying he thought that at the time).
In any event, it seems significant to me because if Goodell and others REALLY wanted to get to the bottom of how these tapes were being used, it would seem that the players themselves have some potentially useful knowledge.
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May 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Too bad for Bledsoe they never had a tape instructing quarterbacks not to do things like throwing the ball out of bounds on fourth down with time expiring.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Goodell has absolutely no reason to want anything else to get out about the taping. What in the world does he have to gain? He can backtrack and destroy and stoneface the public all he wants, we know the truth. It was cheating plain and simple, and they were caught. Bostonians cry that “everyone else does it too” like five-year olds, but they too have shame deep down inside. Maybe it affected those games, maybe not, but that’s just not the way its supposed to go down in this league we love. Grow a pair, NE fans, and admit that your guys did something really bad, that tainted the sport.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
wha wha wha, go cry me a river.
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May 10th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Defamation published in a newspaper is considered libel.
2007 Associated Press Stylebook … 5 things a libel plaintiff must prove (and I would say it does apply to any source, including a confidential one; but that last part is me).
1. A defamatory statement was made (in this case, a damaged reputation; but the key is looking at the definition of libel in the particular state). This is very hard to prove, me thinks.
2. The defamatory statement is a matter of fact, not opinion,
3. The defamatory statement is false. Remember, the plaintiff has the BURDEN of proof, not vice versa.
4. The defamatory statement is about the plaintiff.
5. The defamatory statement was published with the requisite degree of fault (something about New York Times v. Sullivan; hard for me to fully grasp this one).
I’d say the problem could arise in proving (1) and (3) and that the New England Patriots would lose the case against the Boston Herald.
Let’s see what does and what does not come to fruition.
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