In response to the news that former Pats employee Matt Walsh has no tape of the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI and that Walsh wasn’t the source for the February 2 Boston Herald story that the walk-through was taped, Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) isn’t ready to concede that Walsh isn’t in a position to help Specter advance his agenda (whatever it might be) against the Patriots.
“I think it is very unfortunate that the NFL has already started its ‘nothing new’ spin before watching the tapes or finding out what Mr. Matt Walsh has to say. Let’s see where the evidence leads.”
But the information comes from Walsh’s lawyer, Michael Levy, who presumably has watched the tapes. And, by all appearances, Levy and not the NFL leaked the story to the Times.
With that said, there continues to be some confusion about whether the Patriots disclosed to the league in September 2007 that the improper videotaping of opponents’ signals dated back to 2000. John Clayton of ESPN.com points out in a May 8 item that Commissioner Roger Goodell “didn’t reveal it until shortly before the Pro Bowl in February.” But ESPN’s Chris Mortensen supposedly reported in September that Pats coach Bill Belichick had admitted to conducting illegal videotaping all the way back to 2000.
Regardless of these nuances, there’s simply no way of knowing for sure whether the Pats did or didn’t make such an admission, because the NFL destroyed all tapes and notes that the Pats surrendered at the time.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
He’s like a spoiled schoolboy who just had his lunch money taken. Give it up Spector, even your hand picked defense attorney for Walsh couldnt deliver for you.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
The sad thing is the nfl really seems to be trying to cover this pats big time cheating thing up. They kind of have to to try and keep the fans of the nfl giving them their money. Its a great game. But the nfl is starting to look like just another money grubbing organization without any scruples. Very sad.
Of course bellycheat and the owner to the pats should be kicked out of the league for it. But the problem is it would leave a black eye on the nfl. So the nfl will try and cover it up.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
If Specter and his pals in Congress had done this much digging and questioning back in 2002-2003, we would never have invaded Iraq. If only he’d stay focused on important issues, like why I have to pay 50 bucks for a friggin gallon of milk.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
they did watch the tapes, retard! the Pats were 3-3 in games taped that happened to be used in that game….they were 4-2 in games rematched from games taped.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
What a shock…Arlen Sphincter refuses to believe there was no walkthrough tape…… Hey Foober…you gonna post the same comment over and over? CLUE : It was lame when you posted it in the other threads…and it’s still lame here. You have NO CLUE…go back to farming…you know nothing about anything
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Foober, the only way the NFL would appear to have scruples to you is if they pretty much disenfranchised the Pats, suspend Belichick for life, fine Kraft for his entire family fortune, ban any mention of Tom Brady in the press, and appoint Matt Walsh to an executive position.
That’s driven by your hate for the Patriots. The hate for their success. I really don’t think this is driven by anything remotely having to do with Cameragate. It’s just hate and jealously. I doubt you’d care if something similar happened to the Cardinals or Raiders.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
The NFL brought it all out in the public and you psychos declare a cover up. If they wanted to hide it, it would have been hidden in the first place. Goodell penalize the Pats with extraordinary punishment and pf course its not good enough. Goodell even had the tapes leaked to Youtube. What else do you want?
Can’t beat ‘em, delete ‘em…that would make it much easier for your team eh. ha!
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Well thought out comment foober. That’s how a lot of us feel - I don’t care what was found and how many people assume that ALL the teams do it. The bottom line is that it’s been going on for a while and the very fact that Roger Goodell enjoys a friendship with Robert Kraft makes me think that the NFL will do anything to make this go away. Including the attempt to destroy the public perception of Matt Walsh. Walsh may have had his own agenda, but if he was really the attention grabbing scumbag that everyone claims he is… this would have come up as soon as he got fired. My point? I don’t think Matt Walsh asked for this, but the Patriots sure did.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I think the confusion is from what Roger Goodell said shortly after the penalty was imposed. He disclosed that the tapes that were turned over and destroyed only covered the end of the 2006 season and 2007 pre-season along with notes. I don’t recall whether he specified that those notes went with those specific tapes or not. If the Patriots didn’t keep the tapes after they made use of them (or digitized them), there would not be many tapes to turn over. They may have simply deleted the video from digital archives (if they did archive it). That would presumably not have been given to the NFL officials who went to Gillette Stadium to collect all the material.
Was the Super Bowl the first time the press (as a group) had an opportunity to ask him questions after the penalty? I know he was on NBC, but that was only Costas asking him questions.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
They made it worse by destroying the evidence, intimdating the witnesses and spinning the the story the whole time.
I don’t care what they say from here on out, the Dynasty is dirty, the respect is gone.
Anti Trust.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Well thought out comment foober. I think what everyone fails to understand or comprehend is that Matt Walsh didn’t necessarily ask for this attention. The point not mentioned very often is that Roger Goodell enjoys a friendship with Robert Kraft. Which leads me to believe that the NFL will do anything to cover this up - like they did when they destroyed the evidence.
Lastly, a rationale mind would acknowledge that if Matt Walsh was such a turncoat scumbag who just wanted vengeance, all of this would have come out immediately after the Pat’s won their first Super Bowl or when Matt Walsh was first fired - whichever came first. The fact that it recently came out leads me to believe that Matt Walsh may be more innocent than the press is trying to insinuate.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Foober,
You just NOW starting to relaize the Multi-Billon dollar industry that we call The NFL is money grubbing?
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Sorry for the duplicate comment folks… looked pretty stupid, but my computer jammed so I’ll apologize for blogging my comments twice.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I realize the nfl is a money grubbing orgaization. But I had some hope they had some scruples.
If they did get a backbone and told the truth that the pats won their super bowls through illegal means then it would show me that they mean to try and have an honest game.
Otherwise if cheating is an accepted way of doing buisness in the nfl they should come out and say that as well. Some fans like the pats fans already think cheating is the only way to live.
I guess I have a higher standard than some on integrity and honesty.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Patriots cheated blah blah blah. I get such a kick out of comments from inbreds like foober. You’re either too stupid to truly understand the nuances of the game of football or you just enjoy projecting your stupidity onto message boards for all the world to see. Roger Goodell has no one to blame but himself. He let the New York media and all the Belichick haters pressure him into taking a minor rule violation and turning it into the NFL scandal of the century. Goodell should have stated firmly at the beginning that while the Patriots intentionally violated a rule it has no in game advantage and is used for future scouting. If you’re stupid enough to believe that the Patriot’s were able to decipher signals at halftime and knew exactly what plays were being called in the second halves of their football games then you’re too dumb to be watching the extremely complex game of NFL football. I encourage people like foober to continue to take their anger out on these message boards, its better than getting drunk and beating your dog which is probably your only other option.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Dear Pats fans:
ummm yeah, we’re all really jealous of you guys and your team. Gee I wish I could be a fan of team that’s been proven with videotaped evidence to have cheated in every single year in which they accumulated “success” that led to a perception of dynasty (including an AFC Championship game). I wish I could be constantly on the defensive about the legitimacy of my team’s “accomplishments”. I wish my team could be mentioned in the same sentence as Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and the 1919 Black Sox. I wish I could be one of those NE fans knowing that i’ll always be met with the subject of Spygate every time I try to talk about my team’s “success”. I wish I could be a member of the most hated fanbase on the planet rooting for the most despised team in the history of professional football. I wish my team had the biggest scumbag in the history of NFL coaching at the helm of my team.
Yeah guys……………we’re all REAL jealous. LOL.
2000-2006 New England Patriots***
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
i bet the pats cheated and still do. they probly arent alone. they should all be punished.
but… the sight of “senator magic bullet” holding forth as the arbiter of all that is right and decent.
excuse me, senator, but you are full of @#$%.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
The NFL is saying that the tapes do not show any “real signs” of cheating.
All the tapes show is the defensive sign followed by the play, which means the patriots got the questions along with the answers to the test. How that isn’t considered cheating I have no clue, it is pretty much taking away 50 percent of the pats opponents weapons.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Funny, Specter doesn’t feel it is neccessary to investigate if the government is using torture as interrogation methods, but he is all over this. Granted whatever benefits his Eagles is a far greater importance to him than whether the US Government is violating the Geneva convention.
If another Senator who didn’t threaten antitrust hearing to try to nulify a trade of TO so his Eagles could trade for him was leading this charge, it might have some credibility. It does seem a little suspicious of his motives since not one single other Senator or Congressman has publically backed Specter’s efforts. At least with Steriods in baseball (another thing I feel the Senate really had no business to get involved with other than using the antitrust excuse to get photo-op time and I hate baseball), there was a decent number of Senators hot on this issue.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Please God, Captain Fantastik, tell me how the Pats “cheated” every year. Do you honestly think they were using first half signals during the second half of games?
Also, if they did all of this cheating, why didn’t they win all of the Super Bowls? Hell, why didn’t they go 19-0 every year from 2000 to 2006? Also, if they were “cheating”, and the defensive signals were the only reason the Pats won anything, then why didn’t they just fall apart this past season? They had the most wins of the Belichick Dynasty in the year they didn’t “cheat”…that doesn’t make any sense, does it?
Please go crawl back under your rock.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
“The NFL is saying that the tapes do not show any “real signs” of cheating.
All the tapes show is the defensive sign followed by the play, which means the patriots got the questions along with the answers to the test. How that isn’t considered cheating I have no clue, it is pretty much taking away 50 percent of the pats opponents weapons. ”
After the test, genius.
If they then use the test and answers to study by and the teacher uses the same test next time, maybe the teacher should have changed the test and not have been so lazy. And if the teacher does use another test then where is the advantage exactly?
Still a fricken dynasty, still gonna destroy your team, enjoy that HATERS.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Foober, they handed out the maximum allowed fines and took away a first round draft pick. As I said, almost no form of punishment would satisfy your absurd definition of “scruples.”
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
CaptainFantastik, I think your comments about the “most hated fanbase” of the “most despised team” shines a freaking spotlight on your agenda.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Specter wont quit until Comcast is happy
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
blackglass, your overlooking that the pats still had information of teams last year. And if you notice. As the year went on they had a harder time winning and then eventually lost to a just average new york team.
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