NFL spokesman Greg Aiello suggested to the Boston Globe on Wednesday night that the Patriots will face no new discipline because of the tapes that former Pats video employee Matt Walsh has surrendered to the league.
“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” Aiello said.
That said, we’re curious about why Walsh would have deemed it appropriate to keep tapes of defensive coaching signals for years after his departure, if (as coach Bill Belichick explained after the poo hit the propeller) Belihick had merely misinterpreted the rules. In other words, Walsh would have had no reason to retain evidence of wrongdoing, if the official position in the organization was that the practice did not violate the rules. Unless, of course, Belichick knew that they might at some point get in trouble for this, and thus he had his “I didn’t understand the rules” excuse ready in the event that this happened.
Of course, it’s also possible that Walsh simply kept anything and everything on which he could lay his hands, without regard to whether the materials was or wasn’t evidence of cheating.
With Walsh’s meeting with the Commissioner only five days away, the question now becomes whether Walsh will provide a verbal account that sweeps more broadly than the content of the tapes. As Walsh told the New York Times back on February 1, “There would be things I’d be forced to answer that some people haven’t taken responsibility for.”
This would suggest one of two things — either Walsh is full of crap (which is entirely possible) or his comments to Goodell will reach more broadly than the contents of the tapes.
Regardless, it’s impossible to move forward until we know what Walsh tells Goodell on May 13.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:23 am
This whole thing still smells and looks like a rat. I find it very strange that it is in the best interests of the NFL and the Patriots for there not to be any new evidence and lo and behold… Walsh shows up with “nothing new”. Perhaps there is nothing new; or perhaps Walsh has a new Swiss bank account set up by Uncle Rob and Cousin Roger.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:24 am
They cheated so ong and so blatantly the NFL’s first reaction was to suppress it. The only reason they would destroy the evidence in my opinio9n is because it was so damaging to not only everything NE acomplished under BB, but also to the entire leauge.
I think they were able to instanly translate audibles and defensive signals, giving them a huge advantage. They always had the perfect gameplan, but it turns out it all could have just been good spies.
Why have they been so afraid of what may be on Walsh’s tapes and trying to shut this guy up ever since his name came up?
I just don’t believe anything they say on the subject at this point. The actions speak louder than any lawyer prepared and reviewed words.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am
this whole mess is the league and roger goodell , he is too reactionary , he overreacted when the first word of the taping came out because of pressure from the new york media . then when word of walsh first arose the league was only admitting to 6 tapes , so walsh was actually a story at the time , now the taping goes all the way back to belichick’s first year with the pats , so walsh has no new evidence . good job Roger .
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Fail Cat … what happened in that 19th game?
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Maybe I’ve just become too cynical after reading PFT for so long, but…
What if the material Walsh turned over was more damning to the Patriots? What if this material really did exist on these tapes, but the league decided to keep it quiet becuase of the backlash that would surely exist in everything the Patriots have done since 2000. During both Spygate episodes last season, every commentor was suggesting how much damage the league would sustain if the Pats actions were found to be rampant among other teams. The credibility of the league could be in jeopardy.
With the multi-billion dollar enterprise that the NFL has become, why would they risk losing even a small part of that haul by allowing any evidence to come up to suggest any black-eyes or achievements that could be called into question.
Or you can take Aiello’s comments at face value and there really is nothing new to add.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Well, finally! This guy has nothing “new”, it only took over a hundred days for this guy’s Lawyer to say, ” Mr. Walsh wasn’t the “source” of the story…BS! No way, Thomase would put his rep on the line? Somebody was the source! I still think it was Walsh…I’m telling you folks this guy is full of himself!
Why break the story right before the SB 42? All year, even after an undefeated regular season. Several other accomplishments, most TD’s, highest points scored during the regular season! I feel ripped off as a Pats fan! Not because they lost the SB, they can get back and win it soon!
From the US Gov., the media and Pat haters across the world. I think it’s time for Goodell to stand up for the Patriots! Put an end to the story and let’s concentrate on Football! Individuals ie..King, Easterbrooke etal. made as much hay from this story! I remember King coming on the air on WEEI and couldn’t put together a cojent explanation of what happened. All he could say is thier is a cover-up! No evidence, just rumors, unsubstanciated drivel.
This is nothing more than advanced scouting for the next meeting! It’s no differint than a team showing up a week early and providing information. It’s time to move on!!!
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:47 am
How does he and Tomasi get off without having actual tapes of the Rams Sb walk through after the report in the Boston Herald the day before the SB? Why did Levy go to such length to defend Walsh? Someone needs to be accountable.
Oh and Florio, you appear to be the only one that can’t let this go. I’m sure that after next week you will continue with this one, as long as there is a drop of blood left to squeeze out of it.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
He has video of Belichick sacrificing a goat on a black altar.
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Well, when you have a guy like Ernie Adams on your payroll with a photographic memory, who can quickly look at the tapes and digest them, I’d say that yes, the tapes gave them a huge advantage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntw7G7enxEk&feature=related
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=adams
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
From nfl.com: “Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walkthrough,” Levy told The New York Times. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald, article.”
That’s from Walsh’s attorney. i.e. - there will be no new accusations of taping the Rams, or anyone else’s walkthrough. Get over it Mike. Stop speculating and trying to keep this going.
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walkthrough,” Levy told The New York Times. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article.”
How come he says this NOW after the story has been out there for 6 months and never denied. The Patriots have had to live with this BS all this time. Levy, Walsh, Tomasi should all be publicly flogged.
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Or the NFL paid him off and will destroy any new evidence and try and sweep this mess under the rug.
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:39 am
The whole, we took away the tapes and they still kicked ass argument is lame.
a] They didn’t give their entire library to goodell.
b] Even if they did, I am sure they dropped all of the info into a database so that it is able to be queried as opposed to having to go rewatch the tapes.
Kraft buyback of the incriminating tape is worth more than the book deal.
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May 8th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Is this a joke? The tapes provide no new evidence of cheating, but they confirmed that the Patriots have been cheating since 2002. That’s all right because we punished them for the same kind of cheating in 2007 and we don’t see that it would be fair to punish
them twice for same the cheating no matter the duration.
What message does that send to the fans, the other 31 teams, Vegas gamblers etc. This scandal is just as bad as the White Sox throwing the Series in 1918. We are in a different era. The NFL wants to sweep this under the rug.
The Patriots sure did reap the rewards of their deceit. 3 SB, 5 division crowns, and 4 SB appearances. Cheaters do win.
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
“Judging by what every coach in the league who has spoke up about this, and by the fact that AFTER the Pats had all this taken away from them they won their next 18 games…. I’d say not much of an advantage. Thanks for keeping up though.”
What I don’t understand about this line of thinking is, the Pats bend/break the rules to get a higher quality of information over the course of 7 years. They put together a knowledge base developed around information than they shouldn’t have. They stop gathering the information, but they have learned as a result of having studied the information.
Do people think the Pats forgot what they have learned or chose to purposefully did not take advantage?
Most comments from taped teams I have read addressed the short term impact, the impact of taping 1 game had on the next. The longer a program like this runs, the more effective it should become.
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
We cant move on until Walsh speaks? He’s been given permission to lie his ass off. He can say anything he wants and not get in trouble for it. You’d be an idiot to think that it wasn’t Walsh who said that he had a tape of the walkthough. NOW! he doesn’t have it. HUGE SURPRISE!
Little Matt can now go talk to Roger and Arlen and say all the “dirt” that he has and enjoy the 15 minuets he has. No matter what he says it’s meaningless because he’s already lied about what he had.
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Pats fans are so cute. They’ll do anything to paint Walsh as a guy who acted independently, including cheesy attempts to use some pics as proof he “stole” things. On top of the tired old ploy of portraying anyone who even discusses the PROVEN Patriots cheating as “haters.” Tsk tsk.
The Patriots cheated. And nothing Walsh has or doesn’t have changes that simple fact.
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
The NFL acknowledged that the rule needed clarification because they clarified it in 2006.
Kindof tough to punish someone for violating a rule in 2002 that didn’t exist until 2006. And as far as why the Patriots didn’t hand over the tapes to Goodell? Well its clear that Walsh stole them - so how could they?
Why wouldn’t the Patriots keep multiple copies of tapes going back to 2000? Well, seeing as stealing signals is LEGAL and condoned by the league (which coaches know but most fans do not) coaches are always changing signals making old tapes of little or no value.
If anything the reported editing of the tapes actually ABSOLVES the Patriots, as its clear that these were not rapidly filmed, edited and used on gameday - they were edited to include other footage of actual legally filmed plays and clearly were used for post-game analysis - consistent with what Belichick had stated, though few will believe him to this day.
Now that this seems resolved I’ll be waiting to see if every fan who has been so righteous about Belichick stretching this rule feels the same way about their teams doing the same thing when it comes to tampering and injury reports.
We know from Lee Groscup’s article that the Bears WERE actually spying on walkthroughs and filming practices. We know the Dolphins and Shula lost a 1st round pick for tampering, and we know that the Broncos twice blatantly violated the salary cap and were fined much more than the Patriots were in this case.
http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html
Are the Patriots held to a different standard than other teams by fans, the media and even US Senators?
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Anyone who believe BB excuse is an idiot.
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May 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
I don’t see why you conclude that his 8 tapes are “nothing new.” Had we heard before that the Pats taped the AFC Championship Game signals?
It’s amazing to hear the smear campaign against Walsh. If he was in this to get famous, don’t you think he would have come forward before when Spygate first erupted? And don’t you think he’d have handled the PR a lot better if his goal was to sell a book?
The fact that the Pats kicked ass last year does not show that they did not benefit from the taping — they didn’t have Moss or Welker or other dominant offense the years they won. No need to cheat with those guys dominating.
As for why Walsh kept the tapes, it’s sorta silly to speculate. Maybe he knew it was wrong and wanted proof to avoid a he said-she said if it ever came up. Or more likely maybe he just loves football and thinks the tapes are cool. I still have a tape of a Cleveland-Denver playoff game from the late 80s and I hate both those teams. All of us who love football would have loved to have a job like Walsh’s and would have gladly kept anything we could get our hands on, so people should stop judging Walsh based simply on the fact on whether they love or hate the Patriots.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I thought all along that the Walsh allegations were all
about him attempting to market or leverage what he knew
into a pay day. The fact that a high priced Washington
D.C. law firm would represent Walsh Pro bono publico
indicates to me how fixated society is on bringing down
the high and mighty.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Will all you Patriots “haters” please get over yourselves already. This issue is over…..done. Matt Walsh sat there for 103 days and let the world think he had something more than he had…so he could get back at the Patriots for firing him. He leaked a false story and then when he had to produce the so called “proof”…he didn’t. The so called “walkthrough tape” does not exist…never did.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
The New England Patriots = COMMON THIEVES.
From the ball boys, to the video staff, to the players, to the coaches, to the front office, all the way up to triple chinned Robert f’n Craft…. Common Thieves All.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Now that the Spector/Walsh carnival has come to an end its time for shoddy journalists to pay the piper: John Tomasse and Mike Fish, please step forward with your sources that stated the Patriots taped the Rams walk through or step down from your positions as hack journalists.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
WOW only 10 posts? The haters did’t read what they had hoped to read.
Had the news gone the other way, there would be 60-100 posts.
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