NFL spokesman Greg Aiello suggested to the Boston Globe on Wednesday night that the Patriots will face no new discipline because of the tapes that former Pats video employee Matt Walsh has surrendered to the league.
“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” Aiello said.
That said, we’re curious about why Walsh would have deemed it appropriate to keep tapes of defensive coaching signals for years after his departure, if (as coach Bill Belichick explained after the poo hit the propeller) Belihick had merely misinterpreted the rules. In other words, Walsh would have had no reason to retain evidence of wrongdoing, if the official position in the organization was that the practice did not violate the rules. Unless, of course, Belichick knew that they might at some point get in trouble for this, and thus he had his “I didn’t understand the rules” excuse ready in the event that this happened.
Of course, it’s also possible that Walsh simply kept anything and everything on which he could lay his hands, without regard to whether the materials was or wasn’t evidence of cheating.
With Walsh’s meeting with the Commissioner only five days away, the question now becomes whether Walsh will provide a verbal account that sweeps more broadly than the content of the tapes. As Walsh told the New York Times back on February 1, “There would be things I’d be forced to answer that some people haven’t taken responsibility for.”
This would suggest one of two things — either Walsh is full of crap (which is entirely possible) or his comments to Goodell will reach more broadly than the contents of the tapes.
Regardless, it’s impossible to move forward until we know what Walsh tells Goodell on May 13.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Mike you posted pictures of Matt Walsh’s room before his wedding. He had about 2 dozen footballs in a pile and seat coushins from a bunch of different Super Bowls on the wall. He was also rumored to have stolen the only Patriots video of an endzone shot of Adam Vinatieri’s game winning field goal kick vs. the Rams. He appears to grab everything he can get his hands on.
Odds are that Walsh has a lot more Patriots filmed game tapes in his possession and the eight videos he turned over are part of his overall collection.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Is there any doubt at all that the “we didn’t understand the rules” line was merely an excuse? You can’t possibly believe that a man who has coached in the NFL for over 30 years didn’t know that taping signals was a no-no, AND that no one else in his organization knew either.
As a fan of one of the teams whose signals were taped, I’m still pretty pissed off about this. Who knows how much of an advantage the Patriots have actually gained over the years by doing this…
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:40 am
There’s always the other possible explaination. That more was uncovered than taping defensive signals among the evidence that was distroyed.
“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” Aiello said.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:44 am
If Walsh has no new evidence, then what could he say that could be so damaging. Any allegations will undoubtedly be refuted by the Patriots. As a result, what could Goodell do if it’s just Walsh’s word vs. the Patriots’? Can you punish a team without proof?
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I forget what I was listening to but someone called into a radio show saying they did video for a professional sport. He said in that line of industry you keep everything you tape, not because of fear but for future jobs, those are like resume’s to a future employer so you keep anything you tape. He added you are so low on the totum pole and are easily replacable you do everything you are told
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 am
well when every team does it, and it’s never enforced, i can see how BB wouldn’t think it’s a big deal.
Even after the Pats were busted a story came out about the Jets taping and lying about having permission to do so. The Pats came out and said the Jets DID NOT have permission, and the whole thing was ignored.
If i were BB, i wouldn’t expect to be punished since nobody else has been punished for taping something that’s in plain view.
Holding is also against the rules.
so are horse-collar tackles.
Roy Williams, that filthy cheater.
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Eight Belles is dead. Lets stop beating her. Next question.
Drew Rosenhaus
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May 8th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Face it, this Walsh guy is a loser. The whole episode sounds like he shot his mouth off to make an impression and got in way over his head. Now he’s trying to figure out how to back out of the situation without looking like the loser he is.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:01 am
The Patriots were trying to exploit what they thought would be a loophole. It’s not that Bill Belichick thought he could legally video tape the coaches signals, he thought the part of the rule that said/implied for use during the game allowed him to video tape to watch after the game. I’m sure if he had thought the consequences would’ve been anything more than a letter from the league telling them to stop doing it, he would not have continued to do it for all this time. It’s not his excuse, but instead it was his rationalization for doing it in the first place.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:02 am
“Who knows how much of an advantage the Patriots have actually gained over the years by doing this…”
Judging by what every coach in the league who has spoke up about this, and by the fact that AFTER the Pats had all this taken away from them they won their next 18 games…. I’d say not much of an advantage. Thanks for keeping up though.
This is beautiful by the way. Walsh won’t even have the fame of being the guy who didn’t have any evidence whatsoever. He’ll be the guy who had nothing anybody cared about. Goodbye book deals. Goodbye talk show appearances. Goodbye 15 minutes of fame.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:04 am
… or part of the reason it took so long to come to an agreement with the patriots was coming to terms on the compensation for withholding the more incriminating tapes…
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:12 am
nice of the NFL to pick up a million or so in legal fees to get this.
At least one of the accounts I read said that after meeting with Goodell, Walsh is off to DC to meet with Arlen Specter - Probably so they can talk time wasting whack jjob to time wasting whack job … er face to face.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:16 am
“Judging by what every coach in the league who has spoke up about this, and by the fact that AFTER the Pats had all this taken away from them they won their next 18 games…. I’d say not much of an advantage. Thanks for keeping up though. ”
The Patriots have tapes dating back to 2000, skippy. Do you think it would be an unfair advantage, especially within the division, to have known offensive and defensive signals from your opponents for the past seven or eight years?
And you actually discredit yourself with your own statement. The Patriots won 18 in a row after presumably having taped opponents’ signals for seven years. See, in order to make use of taping signals, you have to tape them BEFORE you play the game. Taping from previous seasons is the only thing that has bearing on the current season’s games. It doesn’t matter that the Patriots didn’t tape a game after week 1 last year… what matters is that they DID tape many, many games before that. Thanks for keeping up, though.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:23 am
The best part about all of this is that he stole these tapes in 2000-2002. The league didn’t issue a memo to clarify this rule and other teams didn’t stop doing this until 2006.
I just hope now we can move on and get over this nonsense.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:30 am
So it’s not news that the Pats cheated in the 2003 AFC Championship against the Steelers? We knew this all along? IMHO this makes the Rams SuperBowl walkthrough story irrelevant since they cheated to get there in the first place. How can there be no additional punishment? I guess Goodell takes care of his boys (Robert Kraft).
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Walsh’s comment about “things some people haven’t taken responsibility for” was made BEFORE it was publicly known that Belichick had admitted to taping as far back as 2000.
Walsh, like many at ESPN and elsewhere, just assumed BB had only been nailed for the Jets game and maybe 6 other recent games in 06 and 07.
Goodell’s theory of keeping the investigation details private might actually be vindicated here. It ferreted out more truth by not giving insider details to the public so that others could change their stories to fit.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:43 am
HA! Nice spin Florio. Spygate will no more be over than WaterGate is over. It will forever be the legacy of the Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. They’re cheaters and will forever be known as cheaters.
As for what Walsh has or doesn’t have, it really doesn’t matter. WalshGate wasn’t about clearing the Pats of any wrongdoing. It was about how badly the Pats cheated.
We shall see, it’s still hard to imagine that Walsh would go through this much torture if he had absolutely no evidence. It doesn’t make sense.
BUT! in the end, the Pats are still cheaters.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I have to be honest - coming from the context of a masters in computer science - BB could have taped these coordinators from just about anywhere. Barring the fact that its totally legal to hire an entire brigade of lip readers and assistants to watch them, this doesnt prove anything to me. The only thing it proves to me is that the Patriots are bad at cheating - NOT that the rest of the league isn’t CURRENTLY engaged it as well (even your team).
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:47 am
alansaysyo: Nobody ever said he didn’t know that. The thing is he sort of tried to outsmart himself. Essentially the rule stated that you cannot use technology to record signals sent by opposing teams during a game. He believed the ‘during the game’ portion literally meant using the videotape on the same game. Obviously he tried to finagle around it by using it literally since it is sort of up to interpretation and figured if he ever got caught, the rule taken literally is up to interpretation and he could get away with it. He was wrong and obviously he and the team paid for it.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Things are going to get a lot worse for John Tomase. I noticed they took the comment section down from the Boston Herald. Nothing worse than angry massholes in the right. (see Concord and Lexington)..
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I cheated on my wife and am now going through a divorce. My defense?
I misinterpreted my wedding vows.
Pats fans are shameless. First it was “we taped one time and got caught.” 2nd, “everybody cheats!”
So your coach, the genious who outcoaches the rest of the league, knows the ins and outs of the game, misinterpreted the rules? Not buying what you’re selling.
Sorry. Your “dynasty” is tainted.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Basically all Walsh had was more evidence of the patsies cheating. Since it was consistent with what the league already knew, it was just more of the same.
Now, wasn’t that expected? Did anyone actually believe Walsh would have tape of Belichick asking the film crew to tape the opposing team’s signals, or telling his coaches to make sure they used the stolen signals to their full advantage? C’mon.
This was totally expected. Also, anything that Walsh says is going to be he said, she said.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:16 am
It has been routinely discussed that teams video tape or use binoculars to view the sidelines for defensive signals and other scouting of opponents. The Patriots rule violation comes from video taping from the sidelines, in a location where tapes would be accessible by coaching staffs during the game.
If anything, the fact that the videotapes show editing to match hand signals to plays and formations reinforces what Belichick has stated since the beginning - that the tapes were not used on game days and were part of their scouting efforts. It was on a list of probably 10 or 20 things that the Patriots do to scout opponents.
I still say that this was a missed business opportunity for someone - they could have bought a couple of tickets for every game in the league, dispatched a couple of employs with video cameras and taped each sideline. Said tapes could be resold to teams for future reference and would not be in violation of any NFL rule.
In fact, it is rumored that the Dolphins did something similar to acquire audibles given by Tom Brady, in preparation for a game.
In my opinion, the only reason more teams haven’t been busted for such practices is that the NFL hasn’t investigated any other teams. If you don’t look, you won’t find it. The ire that Mangenius has drawn in NFL quarters for violating unspoken coaches rules about such practices is no coincidence. Other teams could have been busted in similar fashion - but NFL coaches don’t typically handle it that way. As has been reported elsewhere, the practice had been to ask the video cameraman to leave, when caught by an opposing team.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:19 am
It’s disingenuous to accuse every team of doing it just because the Patriots did it. Get real. Might as well accuse every team of cheating the salary cap because the 49ers did it.
Pats fans, please… the issue is not stealing signals. There’s no rule against that and I’m sure that every team tries it when they have the opportunity. There’s a rule against using electronic means to do it, and that’s why the Pats got busted for it. And don’t try to minimize it by equating it with holding or whatever. Officials are on the scene to levy penalties for on-field infractions of the rules of play. What the Pats did essentially was engage in organized front office cheating against their business partners, and they’re lucky that their business partners want to get as far away from this cheating scandal as quickly as possible, so as to protect the overall integrity of the league. Did you REALLY think those tapes were destroyed quickly so they wouldn’t be leaked out? Again, get real. The entire league feared what those tapes would do to the integrity of the league.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:20 am
First off, I want to acknoweldge that I am a NY Giants fan.
As far as the Patriots goes, who cares about the taping. It is just bitter Senators and Jets fans who are making this non issue an issue.
If 18-0 did not prove that they did not need to tape, then nothing will. People like to have excuses for why the lose or fail. It is easier to blame others (they are cheating), then perhaps acknowledge that they were inferior on that day.
Let’s face it, every team in the NFL looks for whatever advantage they can get.
For those of you in the NY Area, Parcells, and others used to be convinced that other teams had spies staying at the Meadowlands Sheraton in order to watch practice. This may be the reason that the Giants now practice in a bubble outside of the stadium.
Remember one thing. It is not enough to know what your opponent is going to do. You still have to stop them.
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