Comments on: 2005 FIRST-ROUND BUSTS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:01:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: RugbyRuss http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-38115 RugbyRuss Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:02:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-38115 The Alex Smith comments remind me of a former Rookie of the Year QB named Rick Mirer. I think if you looked at him after 3 years, you'd say bust to him too. The Alex Smith comments remind me of a former Rookie of the Year QB named Rick Mirer. I think if you looked at him after 3 years, you’d say bust to him too.

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]]> By: calicajun http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-33344 calicajun Thu, 22 May 2008 02:13:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-33344 good call on Jamal Brown good call on Jamal Brown

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]]> By: thegoldengod http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-29026 thegoldengod Wed, 14 May 2008 01:46:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-29026 -top 10 players need to be bigtime performers...antrel rolle is a bust -i wouldn't label spears or clayton as busts just yet... -Jason campbell has done nothing...i would give him another year before clearing him of bust status -apparently there needs to be a word created for being a bust due to injury(or severe injury)...Florio put it about as nice as it can be said...but apparently not sugar-coated enough for some people -and for the guy who said that matt jones was not a bust...really? really really? -top 10 players need to be bigtime performers…antrel rolle is a bust
-i wouldn’t label spears or clayton as busts just yet…
-Jason campbell has done nothing…i would give him another year before clearing him of bust status
-apparently there needs to be a word created for being a bust due to injury(or severe injury)…Florio put it about as nice as it can be said…but apparently not sugar-coated enough for some people
-and for the guy who said that matt jones was not a bust…really? really really?

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]]> By: kimahrikku http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27559 kimahrikku Sun, 11 May 2008 12:59:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27559 "Not enough evidence for or against him [Alex Smith] yet. Just like Aaron Rodgers, give him one more try" The difference is that Aaron Rodgers threw 59 passes in his carreer (73.3 rating), while Alex Smith threw 800 passes for a rating of 63.5. “Not enough evidence for or against him [Alex Smith] yet. Just like Aaron Rodgers, give him one more try”

The difference is that Aaron Rodgers threw 59 passes in his carreer (73.3 rating), while Alex Smith threw 800 passes for a rating of 63.5.

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]]> By: Decatur Staley http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27458 Decatur Staley Sat, 10 May 2008 23:32:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27458 Grulks, Great point regarding Mendenhall. Grulks,

Great point regarding Mendenhall.

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]]> By: BrianDawkinsIsProbablyGod http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27174 BrianDawkinsIsProbablyGod Fri, 09 May 2008 23:42:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-27174 Derrick Johnson had a pretty damn good year last year. 4 sacks, 3 FF, 2 Int, 14 stuffs, 6 PDs...don't give me that "hasn't taken it to the next level" stuff. Don't let Kansas City's performance as a team cloud your judgment on DJs performance as a player. Derrick Johnson had a pretty damn good year last year. 4 sacks, 3 FF, 2 Int, 14 stuffs, 6 PDs…don’t give me that “hasn’t taken it to the next level” stuff. Don’t let Kansas City’s performance as a team cloud your judgment on DJs performance as a player.

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26973 Grulks Fri, 09 May 2008 17:31:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26973 I have to agree with people saying that players suffering a career ending injury should be exempt from this. I mean, if Mendenhall had been shot to death when he was robbed, would you really label him a bust because he never started?? It's fair to say that the teams wasted a draft pick, in the sense it didnt produce anything for the team, yes, but not a bust. I know it's getting down to semantics here, but surely you have to distinguish between a player just sucking, and circumstances happening that are outside the players control, don't you?? I have to agree with people saying that players suffering a career ending injury should be exempt from this. I mean, if Mendenhall had been shot to death when he was robbed, would you really label him a bust because he never started??

It’s fair to say that the teams wasted a draft pick, in the sense it didnt produce anything for the team, yes, but not a bust. I know it’s getting down to semantics here, but surely you have to distinguish between a player just sucking, and circumstances happening that are outside the players control, don’t you??

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]]> By: Decatur Staley http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26513 Decatur Staley Thu, 08 May 2008 23:11:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26513 Pollak deserves an asterisk (*). Period. Pollak deserves an asterisk (*).

Period.

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]]> By: NFLed http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26451 NFLed Thu, 08 May 2008 20:54:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26451 Good article! Cadillac having an excellent 2007 (as someone mentioned)? Ridiculous, his average per carry was 3.9 which is below league average of 4.0 or 4.1, even journeyman Ernest Graham can run better than Cadillac behind the same O-line. Also, in 2006 Cadillac averaged a horrendous 3.5 yards per carry. In his "great" rookie year he was 4.1 which is only slightly above average -- a good season but nothing special. Oh and he has lost 7 fumbles in his 569 career rushing attempts -- that's a huge amount. BUST. I'm not ready to give up on Alex Barron yet, he's probably not going to be a star but he may become a steady T, it's too early to say. Carlos Rogers was having a great season with WAS until a very severe injury cut him down halfway through the season. The Redskins pass defense was among the very best in the league until Rogers and Taylor went down. He's questionable to return at full strength in 2008 so we may have to wait until 2009 to decide whether or not he's a bust and if he is a bust it's likely due to injury. This article is good stuff, maybe do this same thing for other drafts? Good article!

Cadillac having an excellent 2007 (as someone mentioned)? Ridiculous, his average per carry was 3.9 which is below league average of 4.0 or 4.1, even journeyman Ernest Graham can run better than Cadillac behind the same O-line. Also, in 2006 Cadillac averaged a horrendous 3.5 yards per carry. In his “great” rookie year he was 4.1 which is only slightly above average — a good season but nothing special. Oh and he has lost 7 fumbles in his 569 career rushing attempts — that’s a huge amount. BUST.

I’m not ready to give up on Alex Barron yet, he’s probably not going to be a star but he may become a steady T, it’s too early to say.

Carlos Rogers was having a great season with WAS until a very severe injury cut him down halfway through the season. The Redskins pass defense was among the very best in the league until Rogers and Taylor went down. He’s questionable to return at full strength in 2008 so we may have to wait until 2009 to decide whether or not he’s a bust and if he is a bust it’s likely due to injury.

This article is good stuff, maybe do this same thing for other drafts?

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]]> By: malpine http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26424 malpine Thu, 08 May 2008 19:48:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26424 So, the reason #14 is not a bust is because he started 16 games last year on an at-best mediocre defense, while the guy at #20 IS a bust even though he started the last three years on a top 5 defense? So, the reason #14 is not a bust is because he started 16 games last year on an at-best mediocre defense, while the guy at #20 IS a bust even though he started the last three years on a top 5 defense?

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]]> By: kolbe213 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26398 kolbe213 Thu, 08 May 2008 19:01:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26398 Brewdog - That was damn funny. Thanks. Brewdog - That was damn funny. Thanks.

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]]> By: Warrior Monk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26349 Warrior Monk Thu, 08 May 2008 17:54:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26349 How can a guy who suffered a severe injury (something out of his control) be considered a bust? I completely agree with captainwoj. A bust is someone who has shown that he is not as good, on the field, as his draft position would suggest. Though, I would add to that a turd, who's conduct off the field renders meaningless, an ability on it (e.g. Pacman), since off field conuct is under the player's control. How can a guy who suffered a severe injury (something out of his control) be considered a bust?

I completely agree with captainwoj. A bust is someone who has shown that he is not as good, on the field, as his draft position would suggest. Though, I would add to that a turd, who’s conduct off the field renders meaningless, an ability on it (e.g. Pacman), since off field conuct is under the player’s control.

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]]> By: nybeez80 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26302 nybeez80 Thu, 08 May 2008 16:46:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26302 The skins made it to the playoffs last season because Jason Campbell was injured. When he was healthy in time for the playoffs the team opted to stay with Todd Collins. Now you feel he will become one of the best QB's in the NFC? Just another case of Mike Florio being a homer. Wow 12 touchdowns last season what a stud! The skins made it to the playoffs last season because Jason Campbell was injured. When he was healthy in time for the playoffs the team opted to stay with Todd Collins. Now you feel he will become one of the best QB’s in the NFC? Just another case of Mike Florio being a homer.

Wow 12 touchdowns last season what a stud!

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]]> By: ericfay81 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26215 ericfay81 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:25:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26215 Bottom line is... there are not 32 future Pro-Bowlers in every draft, much less the first round. Bottom line is… there are not 32 future Pro-Bowlers in every draft, much less the first round.

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]]> By: DemBirds701 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26211 DemBirds701 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:16:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26211 Whoa... Mike Patterson even maybe being a bust is crazy. In my mind he is a steal late in the first round. By the time he is done he will be an All-Pro type player Whoa… Mike Patterson even maybe being a bust is crazy. In my mind he is a steal late in the first round. By the time he is done he will be an All-Pro type player

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26208 Grulks Thu, 08 May 2008 15:08:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26208 Brian, Check Alex Smith's stats from 2006, the last year he started all 16 games. Notice that his numbers in almost every category are neck and neck with Campbell's? And that's with less talent surrounding him, across the board. 49's don't have a: Chris Cooley, Randle El, Santana Moss, Sean Taylor, Shawn Springs, or a Laron Landry (good defensive players get your offense back on the field while they are still playing in a rhythm). You can't have it both ways with each player having a season of almost indentical numbers. Either they both suck, they are both great, or they are both mediocre. Based on the numbers they have shown, I'd put them both in the mediocre or unproven column. There's no way you can seriously conject that either one is on their way to becoming as good as (in no particular order) McNabb, Garcia, Romo, Hasselback, or Bulger based upon what they've shown this far. Brian,
Check Alex Smith’s stats from 2006, the last year he started all 16 games.
Notice that his numbers in almost every category are neck and neck with Campbell’s? And that’s with less talent surrounding him, across the board.
49’s don’t have a: Chris Cooley, Randle El, Santana Moss, Sean Taylor, Shawn Springs, or a Laron Landry (good defensive players get your offense back on the field while they are still playing in a rhythm).

You can’t have it both ways with each player having a season of almost indentical numbers. Either they both suck, they are both great, or they are both mediocre. Based on the numbers they have shown, I’d put them both in the mediocre or unproven column. There’s no way you can seriously conject that either one is on their way to becoming as good as
(in no particular order) McNabb, Garcia, Romo, Hasselback, or Bulger based upon what they’ve shown this far.

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]]> By: Mastro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26189 Mastro Thu, 08 May 2008 14:40:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26189 Thank you for reminding me that the Vikings had 2 top 15 picks that year and neither of them are worth a used condom and a pack of newports. Thank you for reminding me that the Vikings had 2 top 15 picks that year and neither of them are worth a used condom and a pack of newports.

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]]> By: BrianDorry55 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26127 BrianDorry55 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:10:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26127 "Who Dey"...if you're not starting 3 years after you're a first round draft pick...then you're a bust...What happened to Pollack is unfortunate, but it qualifies him as a bust. Nobody said he was a bad player, but looking at it now, a waste of a first round pick. Besides...don't you have bigger problems to worry about...you're user name is "who dey". And the Philly fans...stop bashing Florio...he isn't reading any of your damn posts so whats the point, communicate with the other posters, not the writer. Besides, it's just his opinion, you decide whether you use you're time to read it. “Who Dey”…if you’re not starting 3 years after you’re a first round draft pick…then you’re a bust…What happened to Pollack is unfortunate, but it qualifies him as a bust. Nobody said he was a bad player, but looking at it now, a waste of a first round pick. Besides…don’t you have bigger problems to worry about…you’re user name is “who dey”.

And the Philly fans…stop bashing Florio…he isn’t reading any of your damn posts so whats the point, communicate with the other posters, not the writer. Besides, it’s just his opinion, you decide whether you use you’re time to read it.

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]]> By: BrianDorry55 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26118 BrianDorry55 Thu, 08 May 2008 12:59:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26118 I'm a Bucs fan...and Caddillac is a bust for a number 5 overall pick...The injuries didn't help, but if he was 100% healthy, he'd still be Earnest Graham's backup. If you aren't starting three years down the road, that would qualify you as a bust. Somebody said Logan Mankins was the best LG in the game last year? Have you ever heard of a guy named Steve Hutchinson? Mankins couldn't hold his jock. Jason Campbell has shown much more promise to become a top quarterback than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers...so how somebody thinks he is between the two is beyond me. Rodgers has never started a game. The only "BUST" I would have an argument with is Mark Clayton...he could use a half decent quarterback throwing him the ball...If Flacco can play in the NFL, Clayton could become a great receiver similar to Santana Moss in my opinion. I’m a Bucs fan…and Caddillac is a bust for a number 5 overall pick…The injuries didn’t help, but if he was 100% healthy, he’d still be Earnest Graham’s backup. If you aren’t starting three years down the road, that would qualify you as a bust.

Somebody said Logan Mankins was the best LG in the game last year? Have you ever heard of a guy named Steve Hutchinson? Mankins couldn’t hold his jock.

Jason Campbell has shown much more promise to become a top quarterback than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers…so how somebody thinks he is between the two is beyond me. Rodgers has never started a game.

The only “BUST” I would have an argument with is Mark Clayton…he could use a half decent quarterback throwing him the ball…If Flacco can play in the NFL, Clayton could become a great receiver similar to Santana Moss in my opinion.

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]]> By: imfrompa http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26111 imfrompa Thu, 08 May 2008 12:50:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26111 COMMENT SUMMARY for the lazy. Florio your a genius. The assessment of my favorite team's draft pick was spot on. Thanks. Florio your an idiot. The assessment of my favorite team's draft pick was totally wrong. Thanks for nothing. COMMENT SUMMARY for the lazy.

Florio your a genius. The assessment of my favorite team’s draft pick was spot on. Thanks.

Florio your an idiot. The assessment of my favorite team’s draft pick was totally wrong. Thanks for nothing.

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]]> By: brasho http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26072 brasho Thu, 08 May 2008 11:49:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26072 MIBucs1982, Which NFL analysts were saying Carnell "I don't deserve a flashy nickname" Williams was having a great year? He got benched last season BEFORE he got hurt. He was averaging 3.8 yards per carry while all the other backs were averaging well over 4.0 at the time. He caught 3 passes out of the 6 that hit him in the hands, he fumbled... how many times? And that was in his first 3 games, thankfully the Bucs had Earnest Graham ready to show Carnell how a real RB is supposed to run. Carnell Williams won his rookie of the year award based on the first 3 games of his career, those were great games, his shoes were sent to the Hall-of-Fame. Too bad that wasn't the only thing sent to Canton because it seems that along with the shoes, Carnell apparently sent his heart and his hands because for the past 3 seasons (minus the first 3 games of 2005) he has been a HUGE bust. MIBucs1982,
Which NFL analysts were saying Carnell “I don’t deserve a flashy nickname” Williams was having a great year? He got benched last season BEFORE he got hurt. He was averaging 3.8 yards per carry while all the other backs were averaging well over 4.0 at the time. He caught 3 passes out of the 6 that hit him in the hands, he fumbled… how many times? And that was in his first 3 games, thankfully the Bucs had Earnest Graham ready to show Carnell how a real RB is supposed to run.

Carnell Williams won his rookie of the year award based on the first 3 games of his career, those were great games, his shoes were sent to the Hall-of-Fame. Too bad that wasn’t the only thing sent to Canton because it seems that along with the shoes, Carnell apparently sent his heart and his hands because for the past 3 seasons (minus the first 3 games of 2005) he has been a HUGE bust.

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]]> By: Cmarchesani3198 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26059 Cmarchesani3198 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:21:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26059 You're such a D Florio. I guess the only resason Patterson is not a bust is because you would piss off your fans by calling him one. All you did was suggest the possibility of bust status and you got blasted post after post, page after page. Actually, he is not a bust because he is a solid starter that has played every game since his rookie year. Last year his numbers were on par with the probowl DTs You’re such a D Florio. I guess the only resason Patterson is not a bust is because you would piss off your fans by calling him one. All you did was suggest the possibility of bust status and you got blasted post after post, page after page.

Actually, he is not a bust because he is a solid starter that has played every game since his rookie year. Last year his numbers were on par with the probowl DTs

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]]> By: RavensFan19 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26050 RavensFan19 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:53:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26050 I think Marcus Spears shouldn't be considered a bust. He is in a 3-4 scheme and the DE's aren't really glorified in that defensive scheme very often. He is pretty solid against the run. I think if Dallas ran a defensive scheme where it had Spears out on the edge with 4 down-linemen then he would probably be a bit better suited for that. Mark Clayton for the Ravens is definitely teetering on the brink of being a bust, however I don't think you can truly consider him a bust just yet considering how anemic the Raven's offense was last year. Demetrius Williams, Todd Heap, McNair...they all had terrible seasons last year. The only reason Mason didn't have a terrible season was because he is a master at the 8-10 yard route. Clayton isn't a burner and is more of a route-running WR, so I think with Cam's tutelage and offensive system Clayton can become a much more solid producer. I think Marcus Spears shouldn’t be considered a bust. He is in a 3-4 scheme and the DE’s aren’t really glorified in that defensive scheme very often. He is pretty solid against the run.

I think if Dallas ran a defensive scheme where it had Spears out on the edge with 4 down-linemen then he would probably be a bit better suited for that.

Mark Clayton for the Ravens is definitely teetering on the brink of being a bust, however I don’t think you can truly consider him a bust just yet considering how anemic the Raven’s offense was last year. Demetrius Williams, Todd Heap, McNair…they all had terrible seasons last year. The only reason Mason didn’t have a terrible season was because he is a master at the 8-10 yard route.

Clayton isn’t a burner and is more of a route-running WR, so I think with Cam’s tutelage and offensive system Clayton can become a much more solid producer.

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]]> By: captainwoj http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26047 captainwoj Thu, 08 May 2008 10:44:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26047 I hate the Bengals, but I don't agree with calling David Pollack a bust. Just because his career was cut short by injury doesn't make him a draft bust. Maybe it's just my definition, but I see a bust as someone who actually plays on the field and isn't good enough to justify a high draft pick (whether it's his fault or not is another debate). If you're grading Pass and Fail after 3 years, he's just stuck with an Incomplete. I hate the Bengals, but I don’t agree with calling David Pollack a bust. Just because his career was cut short by injury doesn’t make him a draft bust. Maybe it’s just my definition, but I see a bust as someone who actually plays on the field and isn’t good enough to justify a high draft pick (whether it’s his fault or not is another debate). If you’re grading Pass and Fail after 3 years, he’s just stuck with an Incomplete.

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]]> By: FloriosPhillyFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26043 FloriosPhillyFan Thu, 08 May 2008 10:25:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26043 hmmm...seems all early picks were busts... hmmm…seems all early picks were busts…

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]]> By: Wink and the Gun http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26040 Wink and the Gun Thu, 08 May 2008 10:15:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26040 It's interesting that the end of the first round had a much higher rate of non-busts (almost all of them) than the beginning. If this is trend is more than just an anomaly in 2005, it should change the draft value of the later picks by increasing the odds that the high priced top ten pick is going to be an expensive piece of crap. It’s interesting that the end of the first round had a much higher rate of non-busts (almost all of them) than the beginning. If this is trend is more than just an anomaly in 2005, it should change the draft value of the later picks by increasing the odds that the high priced top ten pick is going to be an expensive piece of crap.

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]]> By: ponzio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26031 ponzio Thu, 08 May 2008 09:34:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26031 but Patterson was BUSTED! but Patterson was BUSTED!

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]]> By: who dey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26014 who dey Thu, 08 May 2008 07:07:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26014 oh yea i almost forgot david pollack spent about 8 months with a halo screwed into his head were he could not even lay down to sleep had to sleep in a chair,,,so i call objection to you lawyers,,and you should rethink your bust category,,when the cut man on 1530 homer heres what you guys said,,oh baby you better be able to defend yourselves under his cross examination,,,,,who dey oh yea i almost forgot david pollack spent about 8 months with a halo screwed into his head were he could not even lay down to sleep had to sleep in a chair,,,so i call objection to you lawyers,,and you should rethink your bust category,,when the cut man on 1530 homer heres what you guys said,,oh baby you better be able to defend yourselves under his cross examination,,,,,who dey

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]]> By: jared360 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26013 jared360 Thu, 08 May 2008 07:04:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26013 Florio, Again I know it must be hard for you to give ANY respect to the Eagles like EVERYONE else in the country, but you need to stop with the jabs at Patterson. First hes a "bust" which hours later YOU admitted that was wrong, NOW your saying hes not a bust due to how the "Philly Chapter" would respond. First make up your mind. Second your a lawyer, your supposed to be half decently smart, and no matter how much youd love more negative things to say about Philly, AGAIN calling PATTERSON who has started since his roookie season and is one of the best young DT's in the league and on the verge of a Pro Bowl, is just completely RIDICULOUS...and your "Huge Philly Chapter" is shrinking by the ARTICLE becuase your ruining any credibility you had with us, for the CONSTANT jabs at Philly. I mean this is just getting ridiculous dude, get over it. Florio,
Again I know it must be hard for you to give ANY respect to the Eagles like EVERYONE else in the country, but you need to stop with the jabs at Patterson. First hes a “bust” which hours later YOU admitted that was wrong, NOW your saying hes not a bust due to how the “Philly Chapter” would respond. First make up your mind. Second your a lawyer, your supposed to be half decently smart, and no matter how much youd love more negative things to say about Philly, AGAIN calling PATTERSON who has started since his roookie season and is one of the best young DT’s in the league and on the verge of a Pro Bowl, is just completely RIDICULOUS…and your “Huge Philly Chapter” is shrinking by the ARTICLE becuase your ruining any credibility you had with us, for the CONSTANT jabs at Philly. I mean this is just getting ridiculous dude, get over it.

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]]> By: who dey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26012 who dey Thu, 08 May 2008 06:55:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26012 you call david pollack a bust because of a neck injury,,you put it mildly like a strain or something,,dude broke his neck man ain't like a knee injury or a hammy ,,it was a broken neck man half inch from being paralyzed ,,yea i think i'd retire too,,not one dr would go on record as to say he would be ok to return to football,,,but you lawyers would be lineing up f one of them did and he was seriusly hurt again, you call david pollack a bust because of a neck injury,,you put it mildly like a strain or something,,dude broke his neck man ain’t like a knee injury or a hammy ,,it was a broken neck man half inch from being paralyzed ,,yea i think i’d retire too,,not one dr would go on record as to say he would be ok to return to football,,,but you lawyers would be lineing up f one of them did and he was seriusly hurt again,

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]]> By: cliffclav http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26010 cliffclav Thu, 08 May 2008 06:31:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-26010 I dont know whether I should cry at how bad that draft seemed to be for the Vikings, or laugh my @ss off at how funny the Williamson remark was........ I dont know whether I should cry at how bad that draft seemed to be for the Vikings, or laugh my @ss off at how funny the Williamson remark was……..

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]]> By: sorryaboutdresden http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25995 sorryaboutdresden Thu, 08 May 2008 06:06:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25995 Cadillac is definitely a bust as of now. He still has a chance to redeem himself though. Cadillac is definitely a bust as of now. He still has a chance to redeem himself though.

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25993 tarrant84 Thu, 08 May 2008 06:02:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25993 Mike... This whole 'Mike Patterson' thing really needs to stop. As a Philly fan, we're probably the most brutal in the country. We expect nothing short of perfection. Indeed, we hold our athletes to the highest scrutiny possible. With Patterson, I can't believe WE LIKE HIM and you don't. Patterson passes our test. He's a dominant force at DT and we're very happy. Why you keep saying he's a "bust", by implication or otherwise, is weird. He's far from a "bust." Mike…

This whole ‘Mike Patterson’ thing really needs to stop.

As a Philly fan, we’re probably the most brutal in the country. We expect nothing short of perfection. Indeed, we hold our athletes to the highest scrutiny possible. With Patterson, I can’t believe WE LIKE HIM and you don’t. Patterson passes our test.

He’s a dominant force at DT and we’re very happy. Why you keep saying he’s a “bust”, by implication or otherwise, is weird. He’s far from a “bust.”

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]]> By: bigtony2tone http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25990 bigtony2tone Thu, 08 May 2008 06:01:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25990 By my count, that's 9 busts. Benson, Cadillac, Adam Jones, Williamson, Mike Williams, David Pollack, Erasmus James, Matt Jones, and Fabian Washington, By busts, meaning guys that are not starting material or are out of the league for whatever reason. Your standards are way too harsh. Solid starters are not busts. Non-starter major contributors are not busts outside the top 10-15. Although Rolle has not lived up to expectations, if he's still starting (at safety or whatever) this year, he's NOT a bust. By my count, that’s 9 busts. Benson, Cadillac, Adam Jones, Williamson, Mike Williams, David Pollack, Erasmus James, Matt Jones, and Fabian Washington, By busts, meaning guys that are not starting material or are out of the league for whatever reason. Your standards are way too harsh. Solid starters are not busts. Non-starter major contributors are not busts outside the top 10-15. Although Rolle has not lived up to expectations, if he’s still starting (at safety or whatever) this year, he’s NOT a bust.

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]]> By: downsouth49er http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25969 downsouth49er Thu, 08 May 2008 05:08:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25969 Alex Smith is not a bust, f--k Florio Alex Smith is not a bust, f–k Florio

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]]> By: Abwehr http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25938 Abwehr Thu, 08 May 2008 04:15:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25938 I don't think Fabian Washington is truly a bust...Oakland is where talent goes to die. And with an inconsistent pass rush and Nnamdi Asomugha on the other side of the field, you're going to be picked on. I don’t think Fabian Washington is truly a bust…Oakland is where talent goes to die. And with an inconsistent pass rush and Nnamdi Asomugha on the other side of the field, you’re going to be picked on.

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]]> By: DallasSux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25936 DallasSux Thu, 08 May 2008 04:14:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25936 Actually Alex Smith had a highly offensive team in '07 Actually Alex Smith had a highly offensive team in ‘07

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]]> By: bobcostas13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25923 bobcostas13 Thu, 08 May 2008 03:58:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25923 Bunglezz wil9 always suclk. Whenz da’ next aresst coming, HAHA! Go Stillerz Bunglezz wil9 always suclk. Whenz da’ next aresst coming, HAHA! Go Stillerz

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25920 Grulks Thu, 08 May 2008 03:56:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25920 So either Florio is a blind homer Skins fan, or he was drinking again when he wrote this.... 12 Td's - 11 int's - 12 sacks - 13 fum (8 lost) - and 2700 yards, and that qualifies as on the way to becoming one of the better signal starters in the conference?? Yeah, maybe if Manning, McNabb, Romo all retire or get traded to the AFC. And that's just in the same division. Campbell is somewhere between Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, which means the jury is still out on him. So either Florio is a blind homer Skins fan, or he was drinking again when he wrote this….

12 Td’s - 11 int’s - 12 sacks - 13 fum (8 lost) - and 2700 yards, and that qualifies as on the way to becoming one of the better signal starters in the conference??

Yeah, maybe if Manning, McNabb, Romo all retire or get traded to the AFC. And that’s just in the same division.

Campbell is somewhere between Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, which means the jury is still out on him.

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]]> By: Insomniac http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25908 Insomniac Thu, 08 May 2008 03:43:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25908 3. Braylon Edwards 11. Demarcus Ware 12. Shawne Merriman 13. Jammal Brown 32. Logan Mankins These players have all been Pro Bowlers for what it's worth. 3. Braylon Edwards
11. Demarcus Ware
12. Shawne Merriman
13. Jammal Brown
32. Logan Mankins

These players have all been Pro Bowlers for what it’s worth.

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]]> By: EaglesJagssomeday http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25907 EaglesJagssomeday Thu, 08 May 2008 03:42:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25907 Matt Jones has made some big plays and i think that he is not a bust Matt Jones has made some big plays and i think that he is not a bust

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]]> By: garyofferdahl http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25903 garyofferdahl Thu, 08 May 2008 03:35:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25903 Cadillac Williams has had one 1000 yrd season and won rookie of the year in a year of one of the weakest rookie classes. And that award was really based off of 4 games....can you say Gary Anderson part Duex? He is being replaced by Graham anyway....quite amazing really his rise and fall. Cadillac Williams has had one 1000 yrd season and won rookie of the year in a year of one of the weakest rookie classes. And that award was really based off of 4 games….can you say Gary Anderson part Duex? He is being replaced by Graham anyway….quite amazing really his rise and fall.

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]]> By: josereyes0 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25900 josereyes0 Thu, 08 May 2008 03:30:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25900 Logan Mankins: "Solid Contributor"? The guy is a pro-bowler and was an all-pro in 2007. Yeah, the best Left Guard in the game last year. Logan Mankins: “Solid Contributor”? The guy is a pro-bowler and was an all-pro in 2007. Yeah, the best Left Guard in the game last year.

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]]> By: Mr. Touchdown http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25899 Mr. Touchdown Thu, 08 May 2008 03:28:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25899 Spears would be better suited in a 4-3 imo. But whatever. Spears would be better suited in a 4-3 imo.

But whatever.

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]]> By: thefootballknowitall http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25898 thefootballknowitall Thu, 08 May 2008 03:28:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25898 Alex Smith looks like a bust, but in 06 he basically had no offensive (or defensive) team, no line, no receivers, no running back (Kevan Barlow?) with Gore not starting yet. He was throw to the wolves on one of the worst offenses stat wise in league history halfway through a lost season. It was a disaster. Next year, new offensive coordinator (Norv Turner), the youngest quarterback in the league plays respectably and towards the end of the season starts to emerge as a decent quarterback for so little playing time and being so young. Looks like he may be on to something huh? '07 comes around, Alex starts first 3 games. Wins the first 2 respectably, and loses the next to a tough Pittsburgh team, also with his third offensive coordinator in his third year, but plays a decent game. First series of the next game, a muffed block causes Rocky Bernard of Seattle to pummel him to the ground at full speed, ran right between the guard and center virtually untouched. Bernard lands on Alex's shoulder, said shoulder is finished. Said shoulder is throwing shoulder. He opts to not undergo surgery and Trent Dilfer starts. Alex comes back a few games later and plays terribly with injured shoulder, holding it, not being mobile, and making the most erratic throws I have ever seen, undershooting guys by 10 - 15 feet. He is still hurt. Hes back out. That is the story of Alex Smith so far. Excuses, excuses yes....but all valid in my opinion. Give him this year, under Mike Martz, with a few proven receivers which he has never had (Darrel Jackson??) If he cannot handle it this year, then bust him, if he can then he is a late bloomer like Bradshaw or Aikman or Young or Plunkett. Not enough evidence for or against him yet. Just like Aaron Rodgers, give him one more try. This is sink or swim, he has a team, a coordinator, competition, and yes the pressure of being a number one pick (and 50 million dollars....).... Let's see what this guy can do. Please comment, I want to know others thoughts Alex Smith looks like a bust, but in 06 he basically had no offensive (or defensive) team, no line, no receivers, no running back (Kevan Barlow?) with Gore not starting yet. He was throw to the wolves on one of the worst offenses stat wise in league history halfway through a lost season. It was a disaster. Next year, new offensive coordinator (Norv Turner), the youngest quarterback in the league plays respectably and towards the end of the season starts to emerge as a decent quarterback for so little playing time and being so young. Looks like he may be on to something huh?
‘07 comes around, Alex starts first 3 games. Wins the first 2 respectably, and loses the next to a tough Pittsburgh team, also with his third offensive coordinator in his third year, but plays a decent game. First series of the next game, a muffed block causes Rocky Bernard of Seattle to pummel him to the ground at full speed, ran right between the guard and center virtually untouched. Bernard lands on Alex’s shoulder, said shoulder is finished. Said shoulder is throwing shoulder.
He opts to not undergo surgery and Trent Dilfer starts. Alex comes back a few games later and plays terribly with injured shoulder, holding it, not being mobile, and making the most erratic throws I have ever seen, undershooting guys by 10 - 15 feet. He is still hurt. Hes back out.
That is the story of Alex Smith so far.
Excuses, excuses yes….but all valid in my opinion. Give him this year, under Mike Martz, with a few proven receivers which he has never had (Darrel Jackson??) If he cannot handle it this year, then bust him, if he can then he is a late bloomer like Bradshaw or Aikman or Young or Plunkett.
Not enough evidence for or against him yet. Just like Aaron Rodgers, give him one more try. This is sink or swim, he has a team, a coordinator, competition, and yes the pressure of being a number one pick (and 50 million dollars….)…. Let’s see what this guy can do.

Please comment, I want to know others thoughts

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]]> By: ron_mexico http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25896 ron_mexico Thu, 08 May 2008 03:23:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25896 I don't see Spears as a bust either. As an end in a 3-4, his main jobs are to tie up blockers so that the O lineman aren't taking on your linebackers and clogging up the running lanes. If you're grading him on his stats alone for a D lineman (sacks) compared to a 4-3 DL, sure. But if you take into account that both Ware and Ellis had double digit sacks last year and their rush D has been solid (top ten both years), he must be doing something right. I don’t see Spears as a bust either. As an end in a 3-4, his main jobs are to tie up blockers so that the O lineman aren’t taking on your linebackers and clogging up the running lanes. If you’re grading him on his stats alone for a D lineman (sacks) compared to a 4-3 DL, sure. But if you take into account that both Ware and Ellis had double digit sacks last year and their rush D has been solid (top ten both years), he must be doing something right.

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]]> By: eaglealan64 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25894 eaglealan64 Thu, 08 May 2008 03:21:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25894 The Philly chapter would go mad because if you think Patterson is a bust you are stupid beyond belief. Also someone getting injured doesn't make them a bust surely, unless they had a history of getting injured in College there is no way to know that. The Philly chapter would go mad because if you think Patterson is a bust you are stupid beyond belief.

Also someone getting injured doesn’t make them a bust surely, unless they had a history of getting injured in College there is no way to know that.

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]]> By: RIP JB 99 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25892 RIP JB 99 Thu, 08 May 2008 03:15:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25892 You're right about #31. We would have. You’re right about #31. We would have.

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]]> By: myusernamestinks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25891 myusernamestinks Thu, 08 May 2008 03:13:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25891 Oh yeah, Fabian Washington. Scrolling through the list, it momentarily surprised me to see Oakland drafting out of the top ten that year, until visions of Randy Moss jogging out of bounds on plays designed for Randy Moss brought me to reality. Washington was supposed to be Phillip Buchannon with some football skills, but he's just another scary fast guy who can't make plays. Has anybody done less in the draft this decade than Oakland? I'd put their 2004 draft up against anyone's, even Detroit's. Oh yeah, Fabian Washington. Scrolling through the list, it momentarily surprised me to see Oakland drafting out of the top ten that year, until visions of Randy Moss jogging out of bounds on plays designed for Randy Moss brought me to reality. Washington was supposed to be Phillip Buchannon with some football skills, but he’s just another scary fast guy who can’t make plays. Has anybody done less in the draft this decade than Oakland? I’d put their 2004 draft up against anyone’s, even Detroit’s.

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]]> By: DM http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25890 DM Thu, 08 May 2008 03:12:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/07/2005-first-round-busts/#comment-25890 Cadillac was only good for the first half of his rookie season. Ever since then he's been the offensive version of Courtney Brown. Bust! Cadillac was only good for the first half of his rookie season. Ever since then he’s been the offensive version of Courtney Brown. Bust!

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