Comments on: ACCOUNTABILITY COMING FOR TEAMS WITH TURDS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:59:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25566 empty13 Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25566 i can see it now. the lions "10 win season" all in prime time and/or featured nationally televised games... i can see it now. the lions “10 win season” all in prime time and/or featured nationally televised games…

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]]> By: ryanmc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25481 ryanmc Wed, 07 May 2008 15:42:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25481 Treez, trust me, I wasn't suggesting this is a good idea. Quite the opposite, I was trying to illustrate how absurd holding clubs responsible is. I agree with your post completely. Treez, trust me, I wasn’t suggesting this is a good idea. Quite the opposite, I was trying to illustrate how absurd holding clubs responsible is. I agree with your post completely.

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]]> By: Steve the Pict http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25407 Steve the Pict Wed, 07 May 2008 13:40:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25407 If the league really wants to start punishing the teams, Goodell should start taking away prime time games and nationally televised games. That'll at least straighten out the Jerry Joneses of the league. If the league really wants to start punishing the teams, Goodell should start taking away prime time games and nationally televised games. That’ll at least straighten out the Jerry Joneses of the league.

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25359 Treez Wed, 07 May 2008 08:33:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25359 "If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate “high-risk” players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble." What is this - the Minority Report??? Think about it, can your employer label you in such terms? NO, if they did you'd be rich in no time. This is nonsense, the law will address criminals... some teams will take the risk - high risk high reward? high risk no reward? It all balances itself out. “If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate “high-risk” players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble.”

What is this - the Minority Report??? Think about it, can your employer label you in such terms? NO, if they did you’d be rich in no time. This is nonsense, the law will address criminals… some teams will take the risk - high risk high reward? high risk no reward? It all balances itself out.

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]]> By: basketball jones http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25352 basketball jones Wed, 07 May 2008 06:33:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25352 What about the Jags, Dolphins, Bucs, and more recently the Steelers. When are you going rip them? They are the turd watch leaders, particulary the Jags and Dolphins. In fact, the rest of the world would be stunned to realize that 3 to 4 times more Jags and Fish have been arrested than Bengals!! Equal time for big time turds!! What about the Jags, Dolphins, Bucs, and more recently the Steelers. When are you going rip them? They are the turd watch leaders, particulary the Jags and Dolphins. In fact, the rest of the world would be stunned to realize that 3 to 4 times more Jags and Fish have been arrested than Bengals!! Equal time for big time turds!!

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]]> By: jrc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25328 jrc Wed, 07 May 2008 04:08:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25328 This isn't NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It's NFL with 53 man roster. It's almost impossible for teams to control their players' misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. It is just that NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players' personal conduct. They are doing great already, but just a little more. This isn’t NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It’s NFL with 53 man roster. It’s almost impossible for teams to control their players’ misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. It is just that NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players’ personal conduct. They are doing great already, but just a little more.

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]]> By: jrc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25327 jrc Wed, 07 May 2008 04:06:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25327 This isn't NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It's NFL with 53 man roster. It's almost impossible for teams to control their players' misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players' personal conduct. This isn’t NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It’s NFL with 53 man roster. It’s almost impossible for teams to control their players’ misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players’ personal conduct.

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]]> By: Favre2012 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25306 Favre2012 Wed, 07 May 2008 03:16:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25306 I wish they'd spend the money paying media types to ignore the arrests. Then I could get some stories about football again instead of rich guys committing crimes that they'll never serve time for and that no one really cares about (because if people cared, Leonard Little wouldn't be a current player). Except for Vick, of course, cause that was funny. But until someone throws away more than $137 mil, it's all gravy. I wish they’d spend the money paying media types to ignore the arrests. Then I could get some stories about football again instead of rich guys committing crimes that they’ll never serve time for and that no one really cares about (because if people cared, Leonard Little wouldn’t be a current player).

Except for Vick, of course, cause that was funny. But until someone throws away more than $137 mil, it’s all gravy.

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]]> By: ryanmc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25261 ryanmc Wed, 07 May 2008 01:09:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25261 Teams already get punished for having problem players on their teams: when the players are suspended or put in prison they no longer help the team. So, acquiring high-risk players is ultimately its own punishment. If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate "high-risk" players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble. That's the only way the league can get on their moral high horse and say 'you should have known this guy was trouble'. If the league can't/won't do this then just shut up about it and let the criminal justice system handle matters of a criminal nature, and let teams handle violations of team rules. Teams already get punished for having problem players on their teams: when the players are suspended or put in prison they no longer help the team. So, acquiring high-risk players is ultimately its own punishment.

If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate “high-risk” players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble.

That’s the only way the league can get on their moral high horse and say ‘you should have known this guy was trouble’. If the league can’t/won’t do this then just shut up about it and let the criminal justice system handle matters of a criminal nature, and let teams handle violations of team rules.

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]]> By: Jaybee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25244 Jaybee Wed, 07 May 2008 00:25:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25244 And this is more important than taking care of the older retired players because......? There's as much a chance of this happening with the blessing of the Up(yours)shaw regime as a snowball's chance in hell. If you really want to do some good for the image of the league, take care of the retired guys who made the league what it is today! And this is more important than taking care of the older retired players because……? There’s as much a chance of this happening with the blessing of the Up(yours)shaw regime as a snowball’s chance in hell. If you really want to do some good for the image of the league, take care of the retired guys who made the league what it is today!

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25225 PFTiswhatitis Tue, 06 May 2008 23:49:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25225 Classic: "Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL." Get a clue man. BB did not break the law. The team of which he is head coach violated a rule. Was it blatant disregard, some may think so. But in no way is it a violation of anything thats remotely classified as you just did. What a d-bag comparing that with people that assault and shoot others, drive drunk, and exhibit a blatant disregard for the law (the law not the NFL rules). Just wow. Classic: “Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL.”

Get a clue man. BB did not break the law. The team of which he is head coach violated a rule. Was it blatant disregard, some may think so. But in no way is it a violation of anything thats remotely classified as you just did. What a d-bag comparing that with people that assault and shoot others, drive drunk, and exhibit a blatant disregard for the law (the law not the NFL rules). Just wow.

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]]> By: aljack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25222 aljack Tue, 06 May 2008 23:43:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25222 I agree about the rewarding for what should be normal behaviour as not the way to go. At the other end, the removal of draft picks weakens the teams and as a result, it just punishes the fans. How about penalizing the owners with fines? Not on a flat fee basis, but based on a % of total team revenues. Also, sensor their voting rights at the league meetings. Unfortunately, it would be up to the team owners themselves to approve of such polocies. What would be the likelyhood of that happening? I agree about the rewarding for what should be normal behaviour as not the way to go. At the other end, the removal of draft picks weakens the teams and as a result, it just punishes the fans. How about penalizing the owners with fines? Not on a flat fee basis, but based on a % of total team revenues. Also, sensor their voting rights at the league meetings.

Unfortunately, it would be up to the team owners themselves to approve of such polocies. What would be the likelyhood of that happening?

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25219 Kotite Tue, 06 May 2008 23:35:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25219 This is all still speculation. Nobody here has even seen a thumbnail of what this would look like. If this carries as much weight as some have implied, it will have a direct effect on free agency, too. Chris Henry would have no suitors. Jerrah wouldn't be so quick to snatch up Pacman (and my guess is his value would have dropped due to the risk of future penalizations). And I cannot see any possible scenario where Mike Vick plays in the NFL again. But let's see where this goes first though before we get our panties in a bunch. This is all still speculation. Nobody here has even seen a thumbnail of what this would look like. If this carries as much weight as some have implied, it will have a direct effect on free agency, too. Chris Henry would have no suitors. Jerrah wouldn’t be so quick to snatch up Pacman (and my guess is his value would have dropped due to the risk of future penalizations). And I cannot see any possible scenario where Mike Vick plays in the NFL again. But let’s see where this goes first though before we get our panties in a bunch.

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]]> By: 8man http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25199 8man Tue, 06 May 2008 22:49:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25199 I completely agree with holding the player singularly accountable. Ultimately everyone of these guys is an "em-ploy-ee." Other industries are not held accountable for what their em-ploy-ees do in their off time. Why should NFL teams be? Face facts, there are almost 1,700 active NFL players at any given time. There are bound to be a few who can't behave. Hell, they are still doing better than Congress. A better idea is create a matrix for the players and standardize the penalties and fines. "If you do this it will cost you this much and you will miss this many games." I completely agree with holding the player singularly accountable. Ultimately everyone of these guys is an “em-ploy-ee.” Other industries are not held accountable for what their em-ploy-ees do in their off time. Why should NFL teams be? Face facts, there are almost 1,700 active NFL players at any given time. There are bound to be a few who can’t behave. Hell, they are still doing better than Congress.

A better idea is create a matrix for the players and standardize the penalties and fines. “If you do this it will cost you this much and you will miss this many games.”

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]]> By: Chgolaw http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25198 Chgolaw Tue, 06 May 2008 22:49:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25198 Can PFT spell "anti-trust violation"?? There is no way they can put in a restriction on players with criminal charges pending (and proably for even convictions) without being sued under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. And what if two years after a squeaky clean player gets drafted, he is arrested on numerous charges, is the team going to be penalized and why? While Henry was not a favorite in WVU, he had never been arrested prior. And why stop there? Maybe the Cardinals and Bengals and Bears should be penalized forhaving players who refuse to honor their contracts without getting more money which, I believe, is more of a public reltions and moral problem then a player arrested for disorderly conduct. Or getting in a barfight. So stop the moralizing unless the same rules apply to all across the board. Lawyers with a disorderly charge or DUI, disbar them. Vicious divorce, disbar them. After all, it is more of a priviledge to be a lawyer than an NFL player. Can PFT spell “anti-trust violation”?? There is no way they can put in a restriction on players with criminal charges pending (and proably for even convictions) without being sued under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

And what if two years after a squeaky clean player gets drafted, he is arrested on numerous charges, is the team going to be penalized and why? While Henry was not a favorite in WVU, he had never been arrested prior.

And why stop there? Maybe the Cardinals and Bengals and Bears should be penalized forhaving players who refuse to honor their contracts without getting more money which, I believe, is more of a public reltions and moral problem then a player arrested for disorderly conduct. Or getting in a barfight.

So stop the moralizing unless the same rules apply to all across the board. Lawyers with a disorderly charge or DUI, disbar them. Vicious divorce, disbar them. After all, it is more of a priviledge to be a lawyer than an NFL player.

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]]> By: Bradybunch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25180 Bradybunch Tue, 06 May 2008 22:17:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25180 How about pentalizing a teams CAP SPACE. That may force a team with the diarea problems to shape up. In fact they could still count the FULL CONTRACT toward their cap reguardless if the player got cut or not. In the case of PACMAN his contract would still be on the Titans books. The team wouldn't be paying said money but it would still be on the books until the original contract has expired. If another team wants to sign that player(the Cowboys) they now have to give the player a new deal, AND take the remaining balance of the cap hit (the fake money). So in the case of Dallas, they would be paying Pac and Tank a contract and have the original contracts from the Bears and Titans agains their books.(I'm not picking on Dallas they just fit my senerio) This should defiantly cause college Turds to fall big time in the draft. Big risk players like Pacman would fall into the TURD or fourth round. Resulting in less money and shorter contracts lengths. If the Turds can survive, without insident, their rookie deal then maybe then they can cash in. It may also open the eyes of college players trying to increase their draft status. It could kill two turds with one stone. Then again turds may not be bright enough to realize they are turds. Any mature thoughts? How about pentalizing a teams CAP SPACE. That may force a team with the diarea problems to shape up. In fact they could still count the FULL CONTRACT toward their cap reguardless if the player got cut or not. In the case of PACMAN his contract would still be on the Titans books. The team wouldn’t be paying said money but it would still be on the books until the original contract has expired. If another team wants to sign that player(the Cowboys) they now have to give the player a new deal, AND take the remaining balance of the cap hit (the fake money). So in the case of Dallas, they would be paying Pac and Tank a contract and have the original contracts from the Bears and Titans agains their books.(I’m not picking on Dallas they just fit my senerio)
This should defiantly cause college Turds to fall big time in the draft. Big risk players like Pacman would fall into the TURD or fourth round. Resulting in less money and shorter contracts lengths. If the Turds can survive, without insident, their rookie deal then maybe then they can cash in. It may also open the eyes of college players trying to increase their draft status. It could kill two turds with one stone. Then again turds may not be bright enough to realize they are turds.
Any mature thoughts?

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25171 Vox Veritas Tue, 06 May 2008 22:06:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25171 Man, I'm glad that none of you knuckleheads are running the NFL. If you don't want teams to sign troublemakers, hello, BAN THEM FOR LIFE! Suspending them implies that at some point they'll be reinstated, and if they're reinstated they and the team should be able to exist with no restrictions. Man, I’m glad that none of you knuckleheads are running the NFL. If you don’t want teams to sign troublemakers, hello, BAN THEM FOR LIFE! Suspending them implies that at some point they’ll be reinstated, and if they’re reinstated they and the team should be able to exist with no restrictions.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25169 Vox Veritas Tue, 06 May 2008 22:03:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25169 "There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it’s obvious he puts talent above character." Um... that's pretty much every owner, rgs103. Name the team, I'll tell you the talented guy they got and the character issues they ignored in getting him. “There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it’s obvious he puts talent above character.”

Um… that’s pretty much every owner, rgs103. Name the team, I’ll tell you the talented guy they got and the character issues they ignored in getting him.

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]]> By: Semiote23 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25162 Semiote23 Tue, 06 May 2008 21:55:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25162 Okay, so when did this stop being entertainment? Look at what celebrities do. Look at what politicians even do. Are these guys supposed to be monks? It doesn't matter what these guys do, you're never gonna pass a rule keeping the more "emotionally dynamic" players off teams. For one thing, ESPN would freak out, they make their money off this stuff. So does the NFL. This is a business, not a protectorate for the heroes of our children. What NFL are we talking about? Players used to get drunk before games!!! They used to be snorting lines of blow off the bench at halftime!!! Players have gotten into the league without being able to read!!! I like for the players to be nice guys. I wish they all were, no guns, blow, wife punching, murderer, dope dealers. But seriously, is this Football, or chess? Fact is it will always be this way. Use it as a moral lesson if you've got kids, remind yourself that these guys aren't superhuman if you don't. Either way, get over it. Okay, so when did this stop being entertainment? Look at what celebrities do. Look at what politicians even do. Are these guys supposed to be monks? It doesn’t matter what these guys do, you’re never gonna pass a rule keeping the more “emotionally dynamic” players off teams. For one thing, ESPN would freak out, they make their money off this stuff. So does the NFL. This is a business, not a protectorate for the heroes of our children. What NFL are we talking about? Players used to get drunk before games!!! They used to be snorting lines of blow off the bench at halftime!!! Players have gotten into the league without being able to read!!! I like for the players to be nice guys. I wish they all were, no guns, blow, wife punching, murderer, dope dealers. But seriously, is this Football, or chess? Fact is it will always be this way. Use it as a moral lesson if you’ve got kids, remind yourself that these guys aren’t superhuman if you don’t. Either way, get over it.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25160 Vox Veritas Tue, 06 May 2008 21:52:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25160 "Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions." May as well ban everybody for life when they get into trouble. You won't like the result. “Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions.”

May as well ban everybody for life when they get into trouble. You won’t like the result.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25159 Vox Veritas Tue, 06 May 2008 21:50:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25159 "And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select…" Jack Ikegwuonu? Correll Buckhalter? Mike Patterson? Britt Reid? “And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select…”

Jack Ikegwuonu? Correll Buckhalter? Mike Patterson? Britt Reid?

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]]> By: spanky07 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25157 spanky07 Tue, 06 May 2008 21:45:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25157 This may be off point...but why is everyone assuming the Cowboys will take on Chris Henry? More than one team has more turds on their roster than Dallas...oh yeah, they have won 5 Super Bowls...why not just kick the players out of the NFL the FIRST time they get in trouble? That's the case in the real world many times when you get busted. This may be off point…but why is everyone assuming the Cowboys will take on Chris Henry? More than one team has more turds on their roster than Dallas…oh yeah, they have won 5 Super Bowls…why not just kick the players out of the NFL the FIRST time they get in trouble? That’s the case in the real world many times when you get busted.

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25153 Treez Tue, 06 May 2008 21:44:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25153 Ahhh, bringing character subjectivity into the draft and recourse process... just another way for big media to payoff the executives for non-parity advantages. Ahhh, bringing character subjectivity into the draft and recourse process… just another way for big media to payoff the executives for non-parity advantages.

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]]> By: rgs103 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25119 rgs103 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:56:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25119 There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it's obvious he puts talent above character. His ridiculous methods will eventually cause his team to implode anyway. He considers himself a maverick, but I consider him an egomaniac with no clue about what it takes to be a winner. If a team drafts, knowingly signs, or trades for a turd, they are asking for everything they get. Those teams are precisely the reason for the problems that the NFL is now experiencing. I like the idea of punishing a team for doing it. I think they should go a step further though, to include forcing an owner to sell if it has possible implications against the CBA. There are plenty of teams that draft or sign high character guys and they field very good teams. Sure, there are times when even the highest character guys get caught, but the isolated instances shouldn't handcuff the team. If a team drafts someone (with no obvious turd tendencies or warning signs) who later becomes a turd, they should be allowed to wipe them off their hands (or another part of their anatomy) without consequence (such as a cap hit). For every player in the NFL, there are more up-and-comers who are willing to take on the responsibility that comes with being a role model (professional athlete). We'd be opening the door for those types of players if we rid ourselves of those who can't be trusted with the class, integrity, and character of a true hero. There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it’s obvious he puts talent above character. His ridiculous methods will eventually cause his team to implode anyway. He considers himself a maverick, but I consider him an egomaniac with no clue about what it takes to be a winner.

If a team drafts, knowingly signs, or trades for a turd, they are asking for everything they get. Those teams are precisely the reason for the problems that the NFL is now experiencing. I like the idea of punishing a team for doing it. I think they should go a step further though, to include forcing an owner to sell if it has possible implications against the CBA.

There are plenty of teams that draft or sign high character guys and they field very good teams. Sure, there are times when even the highest character guys get caught, but the isolated instances shouldn’t handcuff the team. If a team drafts someone (with no obvious turd tendencies or warning signs) who later becomes a turd, they should be allowed to wipe them off their hands (or another part of their anatomy) without consequence (such as a cap hit).

For every player in the NFL, there are more up-and-comers who are willing to take on the responsibility that comes with being a role model (professional athlete). We’d be opening the door for those types of players if we rid ourselves of those who can’t be trusted with the class, integrity, and character of a true hero.

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]]> By: dvs1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25117 dvs1 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:55:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25117 Why can't we just lay the blame on the person committing the crime. I don't understand why society has followed this trend where they try and spread the blame around to as many people as possible. The player broke the personal conduct policy, punish him. If they need to make the punishment stiffer then by all means. The team is already punished by not having the player available to them. It's in the team's best interest not to draft or sign guys that won't be available to them on game day and who eat up cap space by being on the roster even though not active. Why can’t we just lay the blame on the person committing the crime. I don’t understand why society has followed this trend where they try and spread the blame around to as many people as possible. The player broke the personal conduct policy, punish him. If they need to make the punishment stiffer then by all means. The team is already punished by not having the player available to them. It’s in the team’s best interest not to draft or sign guys that won’t be available to them on game day and who eat up cap space by being on the roster even though not active.

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]]> By: Classic http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25108 Classic Tue, 06 May 2008 20:41:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25108 My company has a policy in place that says if I get a felony conviction I get fired. I don't agree with it but I still need to make house payments. Individuals need to be held personally responsible for their actions. Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL. A clear violation of corporate (not company) policy and he is still getting paid. Any of us working stiffs would have been sending out resumes. Punishing teams for an employees' actions while not on company time is communism. Firing turds is good business. My company has a policy in place that says if I get a felony conviction I get fired. I don’t agree with it but I still need to make house payments. Individuals need to be held personally responsible for their actions. Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL. A clear violation of corporate (not company) policy and he is still getting paid. Any of us working stiffs would have been sending out resumes.

Punishing teams for an employees’ actions while not on company time is communism. Firing turds is good business.

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]]> By: HAUS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25098 HAUS Tue, 06 May 2008 20:29:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25098 Hey, when a TURD signs a new contract make 25% go to the players retirement fund, equally matched by the organization, of course. The percentage would escalate the more chances(i.e. the more talented the player) he is given. Going forward, decrease the organizations' cap the following year (we'll put the excess in the fund so it won't be an incentive for Cinci)depending on the amount of detrimental conduct by a team's personel. If everyone doesn't kill each other it may just work. Hey, when a TURD signs a new contract make 25% go to the players retirement fund, equally matched by the organization, of course. The percentage would escalate the more chances(i.e. the more talented the player) he is given.
Going forward, decrease the organizations’ cap the following year (we’ll put the excess in the fund so it won’t be an incentive for Cinci)depending on the amount of detrimental conduct by a team’s personel. If everyone doesn’t kill each other it may just work.

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]]> By: 46and2 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25097 46and2 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:27:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25097 so i realize that this is the last place on earth i should be sharing my opinion, given the inquisition atmosphere on this site, but what the hell... I couldnt care less about what players do off the field. really. i dont. pacman? im so tired of hearing that stupid nickname. i see a pacman story, i ignore it. just like i dont really care about the size of the caliber of marvin harrisons gun. in fact, the only gun i give a crap about is the arm of the quarterback on the field. i follow football to... watch football. if the player is on the field, and they do something exciting, im getting my moneys worth. i dont care if he sells crack out of his locker. I dont think its the NFL's job to police teams or players ; it is LAW ENFORCEMENT's job to police people. You want a real issue? let's talk about how these guys can get arrested 5 times and not be sitting in a jail cell. the only suspensions these guys should be getting is the suspension of freedom behind bars. so i realize that this is the last place on earth i should be sharing my opinion, given the inquisition atmosphere on this site, but what the hell…

I couldnt care less about what players do off the field. really. i dont.

pacman? im so tired of hearing that stupid nickname. i see a pacman story, i ignore it. just like i dont really care about the size of the caliber of marvin harrisons gun.

in fact, the only gun i give a crap about is the arm of the quarterback on the field. i follow football to… watch football. if the player is on the field, and they do something exciting, im getting my moneys worth. i dont care if he sells crack out of his locker. I dont think its the NFL’s job to police teams or players ; it is LAW ENFORCEMENT’s job to police people. You want a real issue? let’s talk about how these guys can get arrested 5 times and not be sitting in a jail cell. the only suspensions these guys should be getting is the suspension of freedom behind bars.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25093 Jeremy Tue, 06 May 2008 20:20:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25093 If a team signs a guy who ends up getting into criminal trouble, the team takes a penalty in proportion to the salary the player would be paid. So if a team signs a player like Pacman to a one-year deal with a low salary, but a high signing bonus and easily achieved incentives, the actual penalty the team would incur if/when that player gets in trouble is notably lower. It seems like such a rule would only penalize teams who A) signed a guy who they didn't think would get in trouble but did, or B) didn't work the proper protections into the contracts with the player. The likely result would be more detrimental to the players, who would be the ones signed to the low salaries, not the teams for signing the players. The NFL needs to come up with a penalty that can be levied against the teams that's severity is determined regardless of the amount of money spent on the offending player in order to truly penalize the team. If a team signs a guy who ends up getting into criminal trouble, the team takes a penalty in proportion to the salary the player would be paid. So if a team signs a player like Pacman to a one-year deal with a low salary, but a high signing bonus and easily achieved incentives, the actual penalty the team would incur if/when that player gets in trouble is notably lower. It seems like such a rule would only penalize teams who A) signed a guy who they didn’t think would get in trouble but did, or B) didn’t work the proper protections into the contracts with the player. The likely result would be more detrimental to the players, who would be the ones signed to the low salaries, not the teams for signing the players.

The NFL needs to come up with a penalty that can be levied against the teams that’s severity is determined regardless of the amount of money spent on the offending player in order to truly penalize the team.

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]]> By: yankeemofo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25092 yankeemofo Tue, 06 May 2008 20:20:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25092 It would've been great if this was implemented last year. The Pats would've been given their draft pick back!!! It would’ve been great if this was implemented last year. The Pats would’ve been given their draft pick back!!!

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]]> By: Wrathchild http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25088 Wrathchild Tue, 06 May 2008 20:13:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25088 I don't think it's about rewards at all, it's about punishment. Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions. "Oglethorpe? I thought he was still in prison." I don’t think it’s about rewards at all, it’s about punishment. Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions.

“Oglethorpe? I thought he was still in prison.”

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]]> By: LL live from Austin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25087 LL live from Austin Tue, 06 May 2008 20:12:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25087 Does the T in PFT stand for Turd? Get over it. Does the T in PFT stand for Turd? Get over it.

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]]> By: MarkB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25072 MarkB Tue, 06 May 2008 19:50:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25072 Nanny Florio wants to save the NFL from itself. If a team drafts a bad guy, they already suffer the consequences - they don't need to morality police to come poking around. Stop preaching and go back to rumor-mongering. Nanny Florio wants to save the NFL from itself. If a team drafts a bad guy, they already suffer the consequences - they don’t need to morality police to come poking around. Stop preaching and go back to rumor-mongering.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25062 empty13 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:41:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25062 HELL CAPO GINO IS TRYING TO GET THE BAD ACTORS MORE MOOLAH.... HELL CAPO GINO IS TRYING TO GET THE BAD ACTORS MORE MOOLAH….

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25060 Grulks Tue, 06 May 2008 19:39:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25060 I dont see it so much as getting a reward for doing something you are supposed to do, but as a reward for not giving in to the temptation placing talent over character. Still, you do have a very good point. I dont see it so much as getting a reward for doing something you are supposed to do, but as a reward for not giving in to the temptation placing talent over character.

Still, you do have a very good point.

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]]> By: Kevin from Philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25059 Kevin from Philly Tue, 06 May 2008 19:39:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25059 Concur with Pat. As Chris Rock once said, "you're SUPPOSED to be doing that"! Concur with Pat. As Chris Rock once said, “you’re SUPPOSED to be doing that”!

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]]> By: VermiciousKnid http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25058 VermiciousKnid Tue, 06 May 2008 19:37:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25058 For all of the hand-wringing about the recent spate of NFL players' brushes with the law, it's amazing how few people have taken a minute to determine whether or not there really is anything going on worth taking action over. What one would discover is that a) the number of arrests in a given year is not in any sort of statistically significant incline and b) that the arrest-rate of an NFL player is significantly lower than that of the general population, and staggeringly lower when age and racial demographics are factored in. So why does everybody feel like we're witnessing some sort of epidemic? Well, in a way, Mike, it's your fault... well, yours, ESPN.com's, Deadspin's, etc. Because of advances in communications technology (in other words, 'cause of the interweb) we're hearing much more about every one of these incidents than ever before. A minor altercation that previously wouldn't have made it past the local paper's NFL notes section is now part of news crawls all over the web. If there are fun photos of drunk athletes, or some sort of humorous spin, the stories end up getting a disproportionate amount of attention. This isn't necessarily a bad development -- without net-driven attention, Michael Vick's dog-fighting ring might have been swept under the rug. But it also feeds into a natural tendency for people to develop distorted notions of how the present compares to the "good old days." For all of the hand-wringing about the recent spate of NFL players’ brushes with the law, it’s amazing how few people have taken a minute to determine whether or not there really is anything going on worth taking action over. What one would discover is that a) the number of arrests in a given year is not in any sort of statistically significant incline and b) that the arrest-rate of an NFL player is significantly lower than that of the general population, and staggeringly lower when age and racial demographics are factored in.

So why does everybody feel like we’re witnessing some sort of epidemic? Well, in a way, Mike, it’s your fault… well, yours, ESPN.com’s, Deadspin’s, etc. Because of advances in communications technology (in other words, ’cause of the interweb) we’re hearing much more about every one of these incidents than ever before. A minor altercation that previously wouldn’t have made it past the local paper’s NFL notes section is now part of news crawls all over the web. If there are fun photos of drunk athletes, or some sort of humorous spin, the stories end up getting a disproportionate amount of attention.

This isn’t necessarily a bad development — without net-driven attention, Michael Vick’s dog-fighting ring might have been swept under the rug. But it also feeds into a natural tendency for people to develop distorted notions of how the present compares to the “good old days.”

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]]> By: ACDC84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25056 ACDC84 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:35:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25056 Unless you are a team like Cincy that has a ton of problematic guys, I don't think its fair to penalize a team when one or two of their current guys get in trouble. I believe steeper penalties should be given to teams like Dallas that pick up guys that are known to be turds (Tank, Pacman, Chris Henry?? I guess Jones is going for the trifecta!) Unless you are a team like Cincy that has a ton of problematic guys, I don’t think its fair to penalize a team when one or two of their current guys get in trouble. I believe steeper penalties should be given to teams like Dallas that pick up guys that are known to be turds (Tank, Pacman, Chris Henry?? I guess Jones is going for the trifecta!)

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25051 monger Tue, 06 May 2008 19:28:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25051 Is today "National Come Up With the Dumbest Idea Possible Day"? If the league thinks a guy is a risk to be drafted or signed, then the league should identify the guy as such and not leave it up to the individual franchises. The league wants to punish teams for not being clairvoyant and being unable to fortell the future. Is today “National Come Up With the Dumbest Idea Possible Day”? If the league thinks a guy is a risk to be drafted or signed, then the league should identify the guy as such and not leave it up to the individual franchises. The league wants to punish teams for not being clairvoyant and being unable to fortell the future.

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]]> By: pats307 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25048 pats307 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:26:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25048 I don't disagree with it, but I wonder if this will cause problems with the Players association. Looks like it would make teams more likely to cut problem players, and less likely to give players second chances (especially players in the substance abuse program. I don’t disagree with it, but I wonder if this will cause problems with the Players association.

Looks like it would make teams more likely to cut problem players, and less likely to give players second chances (especially players in the substance abuse program.

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]]> By: Super Florio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25045 Super Florio Tue, 06 May 2008 19:23:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25045 Pat in Philly - hit the nail on the head. You shouldn't reward for expected behavior. Pat in Philly - hit the nail on the head. You shouldn’t reward for expected behavior.

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]]> By: Kevin from Philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25039 Kevin from Philly Tue, 06 May 2008 19:11:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25039 And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select... And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select…

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]]> By: pat in philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25038 pat in philly Tue, 06 May 2008 19:04:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25038 "congratulations no one on your team was arrested! heres a higher draft pick!" ? that sounds absurd we shouldn't be celebrating the fact that no one was arrested in a year. That should be a given fact. “congratulations no one on your team was arrested! heres a higher draft pick!” ? that sounds absurd

we shouldn’t be celebrating the fact that no one was arrested in a year. That should be a given fact.

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25037 Grulks Tue, 06 May 2008 19:04:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25037 Couldn;t agree more with you Florio: loss of draft picks for bad behavior and I especially like the supplemental draft picks idea. While the teams do need to be help accountable for drafting/signing/trading for douchebags, there should also be incentive for doing right. If I know that all that will potentially happen for signing a jerk is I have to pay a fine, but that player might just be enough to give me an edge to get to the SB, of course I'm going to sign him, considering every owner in the league is pretty much a billionaire. What's another 100,000 in expenditures for a legitimate chance at a Lombardi? Society tends to react more favorably under the promise of reward, than they do for the threat of punishment. Couldn;t agree more with you Florio: loss of draft picks for bad behavior and I especially like the supplemental draft picks idea. While the teams do need to be help accountable for drafting/signing/trading for douchebags, there should also be incentive for doing right.

If I know that all that will potentially happen for signing a jerk is I have to pay a fine, but that player might just be enough to give me an edge to get to the SB, of course I’m going to sign him, considering every owner in the league is pretty much a billionaire. What’s another 100,000 in expenditures for a legitimate chance at a Lombardi?

Society tends to react more favorably under the promise of reward, than they do for the threat of punishment.

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]]> By: Norm http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25029 Norm Tue, 06 May 2008 18:55:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/accountability-coming-for-teams-with-turds/#comment-25029 The league should do their part to help. Screening incoming rookies with questionable backgrounds and not even letting the turds enter the draft would be a good start. Also, take the Chad Johnson debacle for instance. Even if Cincinnati wanted to trade him, if they do they take a huge cap hit. How about the league step up and waive the cap hit in situations like this? If you want teams to get rid of turds, pitch in and make it a bit easier to "flush the toilet". The league should do their part to help. Screening incoming rookies with questionable backgrounds and not even letting the turds enter the draft would be a good start.

Also, take the Chad Johnson debacle for instance. Even if Cincinnati wanted to trade him, if they do they take a huge cap hit. How about the league step up and waive the cap hit in situations like this? If you want teams to get rid of turds, pitch in and make it a bit easier to “flush the toilet”.

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