While banging out our item from earlier this afternoon regarding the next wave in the NFL’s effort to crack down on player misconduct (i.e., punishing the teams who harbor turds), we fired off an e-mail to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello inquiring as to whether any team has been penalized when one of its players has been arrested within the past year.
Aiello said that it hasn’t happened, but he also pointed out to us an April 29 story from Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News regarding the fact that teams have been told that they now face consequences in this regard.
For starters, the league will require teams to pay as a fine a portion of the salary that would have been paid to a player who otherwise is on suspension, and thus not getting paid.
“If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said, according to Gosselin. ”And that’s going to escalate.”
Goodell also said that he hasn’t ruled out “competitive consequences,” such as the forfeiture of draft picks.
Frankly, we think the only way to get the teams’ attention is to include draft picks in the discussion. It should be easy to put together a formula that allows for a bit of flexibility but that will prevent cries of bias or prejudice for or against any specific team(s).
The formula also needs to take into account whether the team knew or should have known that the player has had any convictions or guilty pleas before signing or drafting him. If the team knew or should have known that the player was a potential problem, then the penalty should be more significant.
We also think that incentives should be made available to teams who don’t experience problems with player conduct. Supplemental draft picks would be a possibility. Another approach would be to give teams who have emerged from the prior league year with no incidents priority placement in one of the middle rounds of the draft, such as round four or five.
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May 6th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
“Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions.”
May as well ban everybody for life when they get into trouble. You won’t like the result.
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May 6th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Okay, so when did this stop being entertainment? Look at what celebrities do. Look at what politicians even do. Are these guys supposed to be monks? It doesn’t matter what these guys do, you’re never gonna pass a rule keeping the more “emotionally dynamic” players off teams. For one thing, ESPN would freak out, they make their money off this stuff. So does the NFL. This is a business, not a protectorate for the heroes of our children. What NFL are we talking about? Players used to get drunk before games!!! They used to be snorting lines of blow off the bench at halftime!!! Players have gotten into the league without being able to read!!! I like for the players to be nice guys. I wish they all were, no guns, blow, wife punching, murderer, dope dealers. But seriously, is this Football, or chess? Fact is it will always be this way. Use it as a moral lesson if you’ve got kids, remind yourself that these guys aren’t superhuman if you don’t. Either way, get over it.
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May 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it’s obvious he puts talent above character.”
Um… that’s pretty much every owner, rgs103. Name the team, I’ll tell you the talented guy they got and the character issues they ignored in getting him.
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May 6th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Man, I’m glad that none of you knuckleheads are running the NFL. If you don’t want teams to sign troublemakers, hello, BAN THEM FOR LIFE! Suspending them implies that at some point they’ll be reinstated, and if they’re reinstated they and the team should be able to exist with no restrictions.
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May 6th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
How about pentalizing a teams CAP SPACE. That may force a team with the diarea problems to shape up. In fact they could still count the FULL CONTRACT toward their cap reguardless if the player got cut or not. In the case of PACMAN his contract would still be on the Titans books. The team wouldn’t be paying said money but it would still be on the books until the original contract has expired. If another team wants to sign that player(the Cowboys) they now have to give the player a new deal, AND take the remaining balance of the cap hit (the fake money). So in the case of Dallas, they would be paying Pac and Tank a contract and have the original contracts from the Bears and Titans agains their books.(I’m not picking on Dallas they just fit my senerio)
This should defiantly cause college Turds to fall big time in the draft. Big risk players like Pacman would fall into the TURD or fourth round. Resulting in less money and shorter contracts lengths. If the Turds can survive, without insident, their rookie deal then maybe then they can cash in. It may also open the eyes of college players trying to increase their draft status. It could kill two turds with one stone. Then again turds may not be bright enough to realize they are turds.
Any mature thoughts?
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May 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Can PFT spell “anti-trust violation”?? There is no way they can put in a restriction on players with criminal charges pending (and proably for even convictions) without being sued under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.
And what if two years after a squeaky clean player gets drafted, he is arrested on numerous charges, is the team going to be penalized and why? While Henry was not a favorite in WVU, he had never been arrested prior.
And why stop there? Maybe the Cardinals and Bengals and Bears should be penalized forhaving players who refuse to honor their contracts without getting more money which, I believe, is more of a public reltions and moral problem then a player arrested for disorderly conduct. Or getting in a barfight.
So stop the moralizing unless the same rules apply to all across the board. Lawyers with a disorderly charge or DUI, disbar them. Vicious divorce, disbar them. After all, it is more of a priviledge to be a lawyer than an NFL player.
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May 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I completely agree with holding the player singularly accountable. Ultimately everyone of these guys is an “em-ploy-ee.” Other industries are not held accountable for what their em-ploy-ees do in their off time. Why should NFL teams be? Face facts, there are almost 1,700 active NFL players at any given time. There are bound to be a few who can’t behave. Hell, they are still doing better than Congress.
A better idea is create a matrix for the players and standardize the penalties and fines. “If you do this it will cost you this much and you will miss this many games.”
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May 6th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
This is all still speculation. Nobody here has even seen a thumbnail of what this would look like. If this carries as much weight as some have implied, it will have a direct effect on free agency, too. Chris Henry would have no suitors. Jerrah wouldn’t be so quick to snatch up Pacman (and my guess is his value would have dropped due to the risk of future penalizations). And I cannot see any possible scenario where Mike Vick plays in the NFL again. But let’s see where this goes first though before we get our panties in a bunch.
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May 6th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I agree about the rewarding for what should be normal behaviour as not the way to go. At the other end, the removal of draft picks weakens the teams and as a result, it just punishes the fans. How about penalizing the owners with fines? Not on a flat fee basis, but based on a % of total team revenues. Also, sensor their voting rights at the league meetings.
Unfortunately, it would be up to the team owners themselves to approve of such polocies. What would be the likelyhood of that happening?
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May 6th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Classic: “Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL.”
Get a clue man. BB did not break the law. The team of which he is head coach violated a rule. Was it blatant disregard, some may think so. But in no way is it a violation of anything thats remotely classified as you just did. What a d-bag comparing that with people that assault and shoot others, drive drunk, and exhibit a blatant disregard for the law (the law not the NFL rules). Just wow.
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May 6th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
And this is more important than taking care of the older retired players because……? There’s as much a chance of this happening with the blessing of the Up(yours)shaw regime as a snowball’s chance in hell. If you really want to do some good for the image of the league, take care of the retired guys who made the league what it is today!
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May 6th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Teams already get punished for having problem players on their teams: when the players are suspended or put in prison they no longer help the team. So, acquiring high-risk players is ultimately its own punishment.
If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate “high-risk” players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble.
That’s the only way the league can get on their moral high horse and say ‘you should have known this guy was trouble’. If the league can’t/won’t do this then just shut up about it and let the criminal justice system handle matters of a criminal nature, and let teams handle violations of team rules.
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May 6th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I wish they’d spend the money paying media types to ignore the arrests. Then I could get some stories about football again instead of rich guys committing crimes that they’ll never serve time for and that no one really cares about (because if people cared, Leonard Little wouldn’t be a current player).
Except for Vick, of course, cause that was funny. But until someone throws away more than $137 mil, it’s all gravy.
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May 7th, 2008 at 12:06 am
This isn’t NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It’s NFL with 53 man roster. It’s almost impossible for teams to control their players’ misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players’ personal conduct.
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May 7th, 2008 at 12:08 am
This isn’t NBA where you have 15 players on your team. You can control the delinquents. It’s NFL with 53 man roster. It’s almost impossible for teams to control their players’ misdeed. If players are suspended, their teams lose. It is just that NFL just need to step up more with their effort on players’ personal conduct. They are doing great already, but just a little more.
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May 7th, 2008 at 2:33 am
What about the Jags, Dolphins, Bucs, and more recently the Steelers. When are you going rip them? They are the turd watch leaders, particulary the Jags and Dolphins. In fact, the rest of the world would be stunned to realize that 3 to 4 times more Jags and Fish have been arrested than Bengals!! Equal time for big time turds!!
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May 7th, 2008 at 4:33 am
“If the league wants to punish teams then they need to be fair. Before every draft and free agency period they need to designate “high-risk” players and put teams on notice that any team picking up those players specifically will be punished if the player gets into trouble.”
What is this - the Minority Report??? Think about it, can your employer label you in such terms? NO, if they did you’d be rich in no time. This is nonsense, the law will address criminals… some teams will take the risk - high risk high reward? high risk no reward? It all balances itself out.
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May 7th, 2008 at 9:40 am
If the league really wants to start punishing the teams, Goodell should start taking away prime time games and nationally televised games. That’ll at least straighten out the Jerry Joneses of the league.
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May 7th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Treez, trust me, I wasn’t suggesting this is a good idea. Quite the opposite, I was trying to illustrate how absurd holding clubs responsible is. I agree with your post completely.
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May 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
i can see it now. the lions “10 win season” all in prime time and/or featured nationally televised games…
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