While banging out our item from earlier this afternoon regarding the next wave in the NFL’s effort to crack down on player misconduct (i.e., punishing the teams who harbor turds), we fired off an e-mail to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello inquiring as to whether any team has been penalized when one of its players has been arrested within the past year.
Aiello said that it hasn’t happened, but he also pointed out to us an April 29 story from Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News regarding the fact that teams have been told that they now face consequences in this regard.
For starters, the league will require teams to pay as a fine a portion of the salary that would have been paid to a player who otherwise is on suspension, and thus not getting paid.
“If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said, according to Gosselin. ”And that’s going to escalate.”
Goodell also said that he hasn’t ruled out “competitive consequences,” such as the forfeiture of draft picks.
Frankly, we think the only way to get the teams’ attention is to include draft picks in the discussion. It should be easy to put together a formula that allows for a bit of flexibility but that will prevent cries of bias or prejudice for or against any specific team(s).
The formula also needs to take into account whether the team knew or should have known that the player has had any convictions or guilty pleas before signing or drafting him. If the team knew or should have known that the player was a potential problem, then the penalty should be more significant.
We also think that incentives should be made available to teams who don’t experience problems with player conduct. Supplemental draft picks would be a possibility. Another approach would be to give teams who have emerged from the prior league year with no incidents priority placement in one of the middle rounds of the draft, such as round four or five.
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May 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
The league should do their part to help. Screening incoming rookies with questionable backgrounds and not even letting the turds enter the draft would be a good start.
Also, take the Chad Johnson debacle for instance. Even if Cincinnati wanted to trade him, if they do they take a huge cap hit. How about the league step up and waive the cap hit in situations like this? If you want teams to get rid of turds, pitch in and make it a bit easier to “flush the toilet”.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Couldn;t agree more with you Florio: loss of draft picks for bad behavior and I especially like the supplemental draft picks idea. While the teams do need to be help accountable for drafting/signing/trading for douchebags, there should also be incentive for doing right.
If I know that all that will potentially happen for signing a jerk is I have to pay a fine, but that player might just be enough to give me an edge to get to the SB, of course I’m going to sign him, considering every owner in the league is pretty much a billionaire. What’s another 100,000 in expenditures for a legitimate chance at a Lombardi?
Society tends to react more favorably under the promise of reward, than they do for the threat of punishment.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
“congratulations no one on your team was arrested! heres a higher draft pick!” ? that sounds absurd
we shouldn’t be celebrating the fact that no one was arrested in a year. That should be a given fact.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select…
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Pat in Philly - hit the nail on the head. You shouldn’t reward for expected behavior.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I don’t disagree with it, but I wonder if this will cause problems with the Players association.
Looks like it would make teams more likely to cut problem players, and less likely to give players second chances (especially players in the substance abuse program.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Is today “National Come Up With the Dumbest Idea Possible Day”? If the league thinks a guy is a risk to be drafted or signed, then the league should identify the guy as such and not leave it up to the individual franchises. The league wants to punish teams for not being clairvoyant and being unable to fortell the future.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Unless you are a team like Cincy that has a ton of problematic guys, I don’t think its fair to penalize a team when one or two of their current guys get in trouble. I believe steeper penalties should be given to teams like Dallas that pick up guys that are known to be turds (Tank, Pacman, Chris Henry?? I guess Jones is going for the trifecta!)
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
For all of the hand-wringing about the recent spate of NFL players’ brushes with the law, it’s amazing how few people have taken a minute to determine whether or not there really is anything going on worth taking action over. What one would discover is that a) the number of arrests in a given year is not in any sort of statistically significant incline and b) that the arrest-rate of an NFL player is significantly lower than that of the general population, and staggeringly lower when age and racial demographics are factored in.
So why does everybody feel like we’re witnessing some sort of epidemic? Well, in a way, Mike, it’s your fault… well, yours, ESPN.com’s, Deadspin’s, etc. Because of advances in communications technology (in other words, ’cause of the interweb) we’re hearing much more about every one of these incidents than ever before. A minor altercation that previously wouldn’t have made it past the local paper’s NFL notes section is now part of news crawls all over the web. If there are fun photos of drunk athletes, or some sort of humorous spin, the stories end up getting a disproportionate amount of attention.
This isn’t necessarily a bad development — without net-driven attention, Michael Vick’s dog-fighting ring might have been swept under the rug. But it also feeds into a natural tendency for people to develop distorted notions of how the present compares to the “good old days.”
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Concur with Pat. As Chris Rock once said, “you’re SUPPOSED to be doing that”!
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I dont see it so much as getting a reward for doing something you are supposed to do, but as a reward for not giving in to the temptation placing talent over character.
Still, you do have a very good point.
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
HELL CAPO GINO IS TRYING TO GET THE BAD ACTORS MORE MOOLAH….
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May 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Nanny Florio wants to save the NFL from itself. If a team drafts a bad guy, they already suffer the consequences - they don’t need to morality police to come poking around. Stop preaching and go back to rumor-mongering.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Does the T in PFT stand for Turd? Get over it.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I don’t think it’s about rewards at all, it’s about punishment. Teams like Dallas who are consciously signing players who are currently suspended, or who have just barely been reinstated are going to be held accountable for those actions.
“Oglethorpe? I thought he was still in prison.”
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
It would’ve been great if this was implemented last year. The Pats would’ve been given their draft pick back!!!
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
If a team signs a guy who ends up getting into criminal trouble, the team takes a penalty in proportion to the salary the player would be paid. So if a team signs a player like Pacman to a one-year deal with a low salary, but a high signing bonus and easily achieved incentives, the actual penalty the team would incur if/when that player gets in trouble is notably lower. It seems like such a rule would only penalize teams who A) signed a guy who they didn’t think would get in trouble but did, or B) didn’t work the proper protections into the contracts with the player. The likely result would be more detrimental to the players, who would be the ones signed to the low salaries, not the teams for signing the players.
The NFL needs to come up with a penalty that can be levied against the teams that’s severity is determined regardless of the amount of money spent on the offending player in order to truly penalize the team.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
so i realize that this is the last place on earth i should be sharing my opinion, given the inquisition atmosphere on this site, but what the hell…
I couldnt care less about what players do off the field. really. i dont.
pacman? im so tired of hearing that stupid nickname. i see a pacman story, i ignore it. just like i dont really care about the size of the caliber of marvin harrisons gun.
in fact, the only gun i give a crap about is the arm of the quarterback on the field. i follow football to… watch football. if the player is on the field, and they do something exciting, im getting my moneys worth. i dont care if he sells crack out of his locker. I dont think its the NFL’s job to police teams or players ; it is LAW ENFORCEMENT’s job to police people. You want a real issue? let’s talk about how these guys can get arrested 5 times and not be sitting in a jail cell. the only suspensions these guys should be getting is the suspension of freedom behind bars.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Hey, when a TURD signs a new contract make 25% go to the players retirement fund, equally matched by the organization, of course. The percentage would escalate the more chances(i.e. the more talented the player) he is given.
Going forward, decrease the organizations’ cap the following year (we’ll put the excess in the fund so it won’t be an incentive for Cinci)depending on the amount of detrimental conduct by a team’s personel. If everyone doesn’t kill each other it may just work.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
My company has a policy in place that says if I get a felony conviction I get fired. I don’t agree with it but I still need to make house payments. Individuals need to be held personally responsible for their actions. Belicheck should have been removed from the NFL. A clear violation of corporate (not company) policy and he is still getting paid. Any of us working stiffs would have been sending out resumes.
Punishing teams for an employees’ actions while not on company time is communism. Firing turds is good business.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Why can’t we just lay the blame on the person committing the crime. I don’t understand why society has followed this trend where they try and spread the blame around to as many people as possible. The player broke the personal conduct policy, punish him. If they need to make the punishment stiffer then by all means. The team is already punished by not having the player available to them. It’s in the team’s best interest not to draft or sign guys that won’t be available to them on game day and who eat up cap space by being on the roster even though not active.
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May 6th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
There is one owner (and we all know who that is) who will sign anyone because it’s obvious he puts talent above character. His ridiculous methods will eventually cause his team to implode anyway. He considers himself a maverick, but I consider him an egomaniac with no clue about what it takes to be a winner.
If a team drafts, knowingly signs, or trades for a turd, they are asking for everything they get. Those teams are precisely the reason for the problems that the NFL is now experiencing. I like the idea of punishing a team for doing it. I think they should go a step further though, to include forcing an owner to sell if it has possible implications against the CBA.
There are plenty of teams that draft or sign high character guys and they field very good teams. Sure, there are times when even the highest character guys get caught, but the isolated instances shouldn’t handcuff the team. If a team drafts someone (with no obvious turd tendencies or warning signs) who later becomes a turd, they should be allowed to wipe them off their hands (or another part of their anatomy) without consequence (such as a cap hit).
For every player in the NFL, there are more up-and-comers who are willing to take on the responsibility that comes with being a role model (professional athlete). We’d be opening the door for those types of players if we rid ourselves of those who can’t be trusted with the class, integrity, and character of a true hero.
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May 6th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Ahhh, bringing character subjectivity into the draft and recourse process… just another way for big media to payoff the executives for non-parity advantages.
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May 6th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
This may be off point…but why is everyone assuming the Cowboys will take on Chris Henry? More than one team has more turds on their roster than Dallas…oh yeah, they have won 5 Super Bowls…why not just kick the players out of the NFL the FIRST time they get in trouble? That’s the case in the real world many times when you get busted.
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May 6th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
“And with their first pick in the 2009 draft, 215th overall, the Dallas Cowboys select…”
Jack Ikegwuonu? Correll Buckhalter? Mike Patterson? Britt Reid?
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