Being a gun owner from Maryland, we’ve got pretty strict gun laws here, however, PA’s are much “looser”. They’re allowed to carry and Marylanders aren’t at all!

As far as the M.H. shooting fiasco, if the guy was retreating he should have left it at that. The important part here that a lot of you are missing is the fact that he shot a 2yr old, yes it was accidental, but he still shot a 2yr old, he will in my mind, be brought on charges of that, no doubt about it. When you buy your first fire-arm you’re reminded that the shots you fire are your responsibility, no matter if they hit a tree, or a building or are in self defense.

Just some food for thought.

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You are absolutely right…and I couldn’t be more wrong…you are truly the knower of all pointless crap…and…blah,blah,blah…

obvoiusly you like to listen to yourself type, and…what was your point again?

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1) An FN 5.7 is “capable” of shooting armor peircing rounds but those rounds are only available to police and military.

2) This is a very nice gun and cost aroun $1500 brand new. Not the Thousands of dollars that folks have been speculating

3) IT IS NOT A 50 cal. as other posters have said it is very small. The odd thing about a 5.7 is that it looks an awful lot like a rifle cartridge becaused the brass is necked down to the bullet. I am looking at one sitting on my desk right now and it kind of has the shape of an Rocket.

4) My understanding is that Harrison has a Concealed Weapons Permit and IF, and I say IF the laws are similar to Florida, Harrison has ”
NO DUTY TO RETREAT” if he feels threatened or if he feels another persons is threatened he is permitted to meet force with force, including deadly force.

So, to be honest I think it is a no brainer that this his his gun. FN 5.7 are readily available but not by the average criminal, typically a gun collecter, which harrison is would buy this gun. My speculation is that he questioning of Harrison is to determine if he abused his right to meet force with force. He may have shot the gun and may have even hit the guy but that doesnt make it a criminal act.

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First, what the Constitution says is irrelevant anyway since the source of our rights is not some piece of paper but rather the mere fact of our existence as human beings–and as the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand proved clearly and conclusively, we do indeed have the right to own ANY DAMN THING WE PLEASE.

In the case of guns, since the whole point of civilian weapons ownership is to ensure that the populace can mount an effective revolt against the government should it ever become necessary. Given that, then, ANY government restriction on private ownership of ANY type of weapon is illegitimate and absurd.

Finally, the Constitution, irrelevant though it is, nonetheless is referring to an individual right. The clause “…of a FREE state” makes it clear that the intent is to make sure it remains a FREE state, which means revolting against the domestic government if need be.

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The 2nd ammendment is one of the most improperly quoted documents of ALL TIME. READ IT. ALL OF IT. Yes, you have the right to bear arms… in the context of a mellitia, protecting your COUNTRY. NOT a bar, house, car, or whatever material possision you prize.

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But this is the site that has managed to make a pariah out of Tony Dungy.

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But, even so, TX laws and the interpretations thereof are not perfect. As my aged mother had told me, if you shoot the break-in perp on the front porch or sidewalk you better drag him inside (clean up the blood). Because if he has left the premises, (read: is back on the porch or never left it) once you shoot him if he has left, you will be charged, not the perp, if he survives.

Once Marvin was sure the perp had left, he should have let it go. He is a celebrity, he can call the cops and expect better service than some people.

Doesnt sound like a nice neighborhood to have a bar in…

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Mother, mother
There’s too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There’s far too many of you dying
You know we’ve got to find a way
To bring some lovin’ here today - Ya

(End Marvin Gaye’s lyrics)

Brother, brother, brothers: Can we please try to stop the madness????!!!!!

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They’re told constantly how great they are. They get special treatment in highschool and college. Coaches and admin pressure their teachers/profs to keep them eliglble. People do their work for them. People give them cars. People give them jewelry. When they go out they don’t have to pay. Women throw themselves at them. They’re treated like royalty and don’t live in the real world. Then something like this happens and we’re all stunned. I’m actually stunned that so many of them DON’T get in big trouble.

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Not saying this is like that, but, really, who knows what goes on behind closed doors ?

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Sincerely,
Roger Clemens

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Say what? Better check again.

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It seems like there is a lot of conflicting information coming out here so no one really knows what happened at this point. Nobody should be saying that it was attempted murder on Harrison’s part just yet. It could be but it could also have been self defense. The number of shots fired really has nothing to do with it

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#1 - Harrison followed the man after he left the bar, if anything, Harrison was the aggressor in this matter.

#2 - And this one is a biggee to me … If it truly was self-defense, why wouldn’t a prominent public figure like Marvin Harrison immediately contact his attorney and head straight to the police station to file a report instead of looking for somewhere to hide the gun he just used to shoot someone?

#3 - Maybe it’s just me, but I have a hard time buying self-defense if you fire 5 shots at someone.

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Harrison may not have been the trigger man at all. His only crime might have been to own the gun and conceil the crime until the police came calling.

But if he is the triggerman, don’t automatically assume he was just defending himself. He did chase after the guy he just got into a fist fight with a gun on his person. He could have gone out of the bar with the intent to shoot the guy. No one thought OJ had it in him to kill his ex-wife and her friend either.

Based on the facts we know, it doesn’t look like a case of self-defense. The only evidence we have seen that argues that is that he is Marvin Harrison the famous NFL player. Everything else seems to point to him being the aggressor. There are still plenty of facts to come out I am sure, but it ain’t looking too good for Harrison at this point.

As for the police not arresting Harrison, they are not going to do that until they have their ducks in a row. They don’t want another OJ trial where the police’s supposive rush to judgement and mishandling of the evidence got OJ to walk on two murders. If Harrison is the primary suspect, they are going to make sure they have a case.

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It is still hard to say that Harrison was exercising self-defense when by reports he followed the guy outside (indicating that he could actually be the agressor in this incident, not the victim defending himself) also it argue that he was shooting until the threat was neutralized when the other guy apparently fired one shot to Harrison’s five. That indicates that the other guy probably was not posing a threat any more.

I know people want to believe that Harrison coudn’t do something like this, but based on the evidence we know so far, it doesn’t look a case of self defense at all if he was the shooter. If anything, the other guy seems to have a better case for self defense.

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“The Five-seveN is available from FN for government or law enforcement sales only.”

So … how come an NFL WR owns one?

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The more rounds fired, the harder it is to argue self defense especially if the person you are defending yourself from only fired once. Add to the fact that the police have a motive - the guy was harrassing Harrison and got into a fist fight with him just prior to the shooting -, Harrison was reported to have chased after the guy out of the bar, and there may be another gun shot victim who hasn’t come forward; I think Harrison will have a very tough time arguing self defense if it is determined that he fired the shots.

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Last I knew making false statements to the cops was a bad thing, the kind of thing that you can be prosecuted for. Oh, and lying to the cops in an interview doesn’t help your credibility should the case ever go to trial.

And it will go to trial, pretty much every time, if you shoot someone and don’t talk to the cops with your attorney. While I agree that you’d be stupid to talk to police without an attorney clamming up with your attorney present if you’ve done nothing wrong is an entirely different prospect. Most people would prefer not to shell out the thousands of dollars it takes to defend oneself in court for defending oneself on the street if it can at all be avoided.

Self defense laws vary by location. Some places have good self defense laws and others, like say, New York state do not. I’m guessing you live in one of those that do not.

Go Bills. Really.

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Ron from NM, Harrison can not be charged with purjury for lying to the cops. It is not illegal to lie to the cops. It only would point to his guilt and brought up in court to convict him. Harrison was not under oath at the police stations.

IMO - this is alot to do about nothing. The guy has a hand injury.

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Who in this forum has ever had a firearm pointed at them. I did not think so. I wanted to make some observations about some of the comments posted. First is the theory that that Harrison is the shooter. I would venture to guess that he is. Big Deal, if the story is accurate in it’s portrayal, then Harrison had beef with the alleged victim and had recently been involved in a fight with him.

If the victim armed himself and actually tok a shot at Harrison, then Harrison is justified in shooting the victim. Even if it is five rounds fired through a FN 5.7mm Five-seveN pistol.

Bottom line is this, if someone trys to kill you, then you have every right to defend yourself. I find it interesting that comments posted hinted at the fact that five rounds were fired could mean attempted murder charges. NO way, you fire until the threat is nutralized. In this case Harrison is obviously a bad shot, if in fact he is the shooter.

Now to the comments about the gun being armor piercing. There is no doubt that the firearm is armor piercing if it is a FN 5.7mm Five-seveN handgun. But what does that have to do with the story. As one blogger pointed out, correctly I might add, that armor piercing is basically any round thats fired at more than 2300 FPS. This round is very popular and has actually been put on Law Enforcement bulletins as being a cop killer, because of the fact that it can and will defeat body armor. It is said in a recent ESPN broadcast that Harrison owns 25 some odd guns. Again that is his right. He also has a permit to carry the guns, according to some news broadcasts.

I also would like to comment on the fact that Harrison was interviewed and not arrested. A point was made that said most people who use a gun in self defense are charged and then let the DA sort it out. This could not be any further from the truth. As a prior Homicide Detective and current LEO I can tell you that the decision to arrest lies at the feet of the SAO, or State Attorney’s Office, not the local police department. Secondly most self defense cases do not end up in charged cases.

If yu are trying to defend yourself and it is proven that the shooting was justified then it is not prosecuted and that case is cleared by exception, as either Justifiable Use of Deadly Force, or proseution declined, meaning that there was enough evidence to merit an arrest, however; the information did not rise to an acceptable level of conviction. Meaning that even if Harrison did in fact shoot the victim, the SAO did not think that they could get a conviction.

I will end this rant on this point. Most people that drive themselves to the Hospital after being shot and lie about what happened are hiding something. I bet it will come out in this incident that the alleged victim is a convicted felon and could not possess a firearm. That act alone would merit hard time of at least three to five years on sentencing guidelines. Just some food for thought.

Let the facts some out before you blast a sure HOF who exercises his right as an American citizen.

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How many rounds a person fires in self defense isn’t terribly relevant. In free states (i.e. those without fascist gun laws) if you are legally justified in using deadly force no one is going to care how many times you discharge your weapon. Now, once the person ceases to be a threat (drops his weapon, runs away, puts his hands up, dies screaming, etc.) you can’t continue to shoot at them. Not even in the Southwest. So long as they are a threat you can blaze away, reloading if necessary.

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He is my favorite player, so please. He can’t be guilty.

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I wandered over to the NRA-ILA site and clicked on PA’s gun laws (http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/PASL.pdf). PA doesn’t have gun registration and the state won’t allow cities to pass their own gun laws so Harrison couldn’t have registered his weapons even if he wanted to…because there’s no agency to register them with. Again, if the media starts blathering about unregistered firearms you can just ignore them and snicker at a rich guy owning such an ugly gun.

The story had some interesting points.

First, if 5 of the shell casings came from the 5.7mm firearm where did the 6th casing come from? If the guy with the hole in his hand fired a round at Harrison things get murky very quickly. Was that extra casing from a round that was fired first? Second? Last? Without witnesses (as the story proclaims) it could become one man’s word against another’s. Oh, and one of those men will be able to hire a platoon of excellent lawyers and the other won’t. If Harrison owns up to shooting those 5 rounds he could make the case that it was self defense.

Second, the guy with the hole in the hand drove to a fairly nearby hospital–about 5 miles away according to Mapquest. He then lied about how he had received his injury. Why? I know if some really rich guy shot me I’d make sure that everyone knew about it. Extortion is illegal while suing people is the national passtime. The only reason I can see for him to lie about it is because he broke some law himself. If Harrison shot him (or someone else shot him with Harrison’s firearm) the guy with the extra hole would be within his rights to return fire. If, however, he initiated the gunplay then he might not be so inclined to admit that he was there at all.

Third, because the wounded guy left the scene he had the opportunity to dispose of any weapon(s) he might have had in his possession. No one is going to fault the guy for leaving the area after he’d been shot in order to both save his life and get medical treatment. However, if a claim is made that the guy was armed and did at some time shoot at whoever was firing the 5.7 the extra shell casing at the scene might make a simple denial (I didn’t have a gun.) less plausible. Because the story states that Harrison handed the 5.7 over to police it seems as though he stayed at the scene of the shooting.

Fourth, Harrison wasn’t arrested. He was interviewed for 4 hours and then released. Part of that might have to do with having a high priced lawyer affixed to his hip. With that said, many people who use a firearm in self defense are arrested. It’s kind of the fall back position for the cops–charge the guy with something (like shooting someone in the hand) and let the DA sort it out.

Fifth, a bystander was injured as a result of the gunplay. Even gun happy states like Texas make a person shooting in self defense criminally liable (and open to lawsuits, of course) for every bullet that leaves the gun. So, if Harrison lied to cops about not being the shooter he might face both perjury charges and charges for injuring the kid even if it was a legitimate case of self defense.

I won’t say that I’m glad this happened but, with the draft over, I was wondering what was going to liven up the offseason.

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Self-Defense? He shot at least 5 times. Someone else may have fired one shot. That doesn’t sound a whole lot like self-defense to me. Hopefully, the truth will come out at some point in time. Though, if the other guy did have a weapon, that certainly would help Harrison’s case.

“This is a question for the readers, I’ve seen comments both here and on ESPN claiming that Harrison used a .50cal. Is this true? and who uses a .50Cal handgun??”

Guys who hunt elephants with a pistol.

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How much money would it take for someone to take the wrap if the charge is attempted murder? Hard to argue self defense when your gun fired five shots and the other gun fired one. The number of times the gun was fired could justify an attempted murder charge. How much money would it take for you to go to jail for 7-15 years or so?

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“Unless Harrison is in a position to implicate someone else (or if there’s someone else who’ll take the fall), it’s all pointing to him at this point.”

You hit that nail right on the head Florio.

With the amount of money Harrison is worth, odds are pretty good that if he is guilty, he’ll find some stooge willing to take the fall for him for a large amount of cash!!!

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