Miami Dolphins V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells famously declared not long after getting the job that he doesn’t want any “thugs or hoodlums” on the team.
But, as the South Florida Sun-Sentinel points out, Parcells’ team has recently signed a guy who pleaded guilty to criminal charges while in college. Twice.
Specifically, one of the team’s undrafted free agents is Selwyn Lymon, a Purdue receiver who was arrested as part of the incident that resulted in charges being filed against linebacker Stanford Keglar, a draft pick of the Tennessee Titans. In connection with that incident, Lymon emerged with a stab wound in his chest. He later entered guilty pleas on charges of disorderly conduct, false informing, and minor consumption of alcohol.
Then, in November 2007, Lymon was kicked off the team after being arrested for drunk driving. He later pleaded guilty to that charge, too.
“It’s all on an individual basis,” G.M. Jeff Ireland said last month in connection with the decision to sign receiver David Kircus, who beat the beans out of some guy last year, supposedly in self-defense. ”Sometimes those second chances are important because now the kid has something to play for. It is kind of his last chance.”
But Lymon already had his second chance. He wasn’t kicked off the Boilermakers’ team after hitting the misdemeanor trifecta. He was booted only after he thereafter drank a few Boilermakers (or some other beverage) and drove his car.
The problem here, as we see it, is that too many NFL teams are willing to bring to the communities in which they play their home games guys who have shown that they can’t comply with the rules of society, and then hope that they’ll change because their careers are now riding on it. But some of them can’t or won’t change. And so they eventually get in trouble again, and are cut. (Unless they’re really good players.)
Thus, it’s only a matter of time before Lymon or Koren Robinson or Jared Allen or someone else with a history of drinking and driving kills someone whose only crime was choosing to live his or her life in or around a city that hosts a pro football team.
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May 1st, 2008 at 7:36 am
“…whose only crime was choosing to live his or her life in or around a city that hosts a pro football team.”
Okay, you have to admit that’s a little much, Florio. All kinds of people are drinking and driving, not just NFL players.
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May 1st, 2008 at 7:46 am
“Thus, it’s only a matter of time before Lymon or Koren Robinson or Jared Allen or someone else with a history of drinking and driving kills someone whose only crime was choosing to live his or her life in or around a city that hosts a pro football team.”
a bit on the dramatic side, no? did the kid rape someone? attempted murder? he got in a bar fight, and then made a stupid mistake in driving after drinking. “young, dumb, and full of cu*”, as they say… let’s all relax just a bit here.
certainly, he needs to be put on a short leash, but most people deserve another chance. who knows, maybe you will need a second shot at life one day.
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May 1st, 2008 at 7:54 am
Or maybe a Leonard Little. Oops, already happened.
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May 1st, 2008 at 7:57 am
Generally, I agree with your views that teams need to apply a single, clear standard to the players they want on their teams. Nobodt I know likes to have thugs in their community. Regarding Koren Robinson, I think he is making a serious effort to stay out of trouble. The Packers gave him an opportunity and so far, he seems to have made the most out of it. I hope he succeeds now and in the future.
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May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Right. But we should still judge people on an individual basis yes?
It’s up to GMs to make decisions over whether a person’s character if fundamentally flawed, or whether they have hit the bottom and need the chance to prove they can be more than their previous actions may suggest.
You’re talking about kids remember? I mean hell I did some stupid things when I was younger. We all have at some point, and if you haven’t, it’s not a reasonable excuse to point the finger at these people. If someone consistently flaunts the law, that’s one thing. If people make mistakes and learn from them, well surely that’s what life is all about right?
Just arbitrarily deciding that any ‘turd’ or ’someone who has been arrested but not actually convicted of any crime’ - as is quite often the case - should be made an example of is ridiculous. I would rather the ‘fins took a shot on a guy like this than have him sent to the streets and told he has no future in the game. Let the kid try to earn a living. If he makes mistakes as a pro, we can then say ‘hey, was it a mistake?’ but not every player who got in trouble during college has turned into Pacman or Henry.
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May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
So, Florio, what you seem to be saying is that folks with DUI convictions should never be hired by anyone. Ever. Period. Because, you know, if the Sizzler hired someone who pleaded guilty to a DUI, then eventually one of the Sizzler’s patrons would pay with their lives, right? And no one should ever live in a neighborhood with someone convicted of a DUI because eventually, someone’s visitng Uncle Tony would pay with his life, right?
What do you propose we do with these guys? Make them wear red letters at all times so no one sells them a car?
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May 1st, 2008 at 8:24 am
I guess that is the chance we have to take to be a football fan. I could think of no greater honor as a football fan than to be a hood ornament on Jared Allen’s car.
Not that he’s going to be doing the glug glug vroom vroom thing anytime soon.
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May 1st, 2008 at 8:38 am
So, you value lives of those who live in cities with the NFL moreso than other cities……..”Thus, it’s only a matter of time before Lymon or Koren Robinson or Jared Allen or someone else with a history of drinking and driving kills someone whose only crime was choosing to live his or her life in or around a city that hosts a pro football team.”
Don’t those players have to live somewhere?
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May 1st, 2008 at 8:48 am
The differences between the Sizzler and the NFL are, dare I say, obvious. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar, high(est?) profile entertainment industry in which the employees (players) are granted a tremendous privilege to make millions, sometimes tens of millions, of dollars playing in TAXPAYER FUNDED stadiums. Picture the irony……fan pays taxes to help fill the local teams coffers…..team brings in questionable character with a DUI…..said player relapses and kills said fan at 10 p.m. on a Saturday night………..Thugs and criminals and those that otherwise cannot follow the rules of society do not deserve the privilege of playing in the NFL, period. The NFL needs to be held to a higher standard, which is a microcosm for really all of society, but I digress. They are free to get their second chance washing dishes at Western Sizzlin, however.
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:11 am
yeah, um….. leonard little anyone?
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:12 am
The real irony here is focusing on some sophomoric criminality whille the corporate and gambling entities that embody the NFL are among the most corrupt forces in the universe.
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:16 am
Mike,
I have a suggestion! Why doesn’t the NFL create a committee, comprised of coaches, veterans, and NFLPA folks to DETERMINE whether or not an athlete coming into the league HAS EARNED the ‘privelege’ to enter the league? This, as I see it, is the only way these yahoos won’t be drafted by coaches sweating the loss of their own jobs. If a person doesn’t qualify, he could always go to Vince McMahon’s XFL … no wait … that one flopped … I mean the CFL (see Ricky ‘Pass-it here, Dude’ Williams).
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Why do so many people think drunk driving isn’t that big of a deal? It endangers everyone on the road and has a major impact on so many lives.
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=19414472&BRD=1769&PAG=461&dept_id=74969&rfi=8
It took a split second to maim that guy, and he’s going to have to deal with it every day for the rest of his life.
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:30 am
More food for thought:
I spent 20 years in the USAF, retiring in 03. I went in at the age of 18, and had I, at any time, received a DUI or got into a bar fight, my career would have been destroyed. Even though we weren’t receiving millions, it was understood that IMAGE was paramount to our occupation. I love the NFL, but could do without the constant Turd Watch that a few young knuckleheads keep perpetuating. If it isn’t unreasonable to expect a kid to work-out 4-7 days a week in order to earn the privilege of being selected to represent an NFL team, then, in my opinion, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to expect him to stay out of trouble before AND after being selected to represent an NFL team!
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May 1st, 2008 at 9:30 am
Fly - because that is more or less subjective?
I always say this, but I maintain: We wouldn’t have had some seriously great players over the ages if any of these knee-jerk proposals were implemented back in the day.
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May 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am
While I won’t say that DUI isn’t a big deal. It doesn’t make the guy a thug or a hoodlum. He wasn’t brandashing a firearm. He wasn’t in the strip club shooting it up and making it rain. He didn’t beat up a defensless woman or get in a gang fight. MOST of the people who drink have at least once drove home when they probably should have called a cab. Doesn’t make them thugs or hoodlums.
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May 1st, 2008 at 11:39 am
Chris Henry was a very good receiver and the Bengals dumped him.
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May 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Why take a risk like this on a guy who has, what, a 5% chance of making the team?
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May 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Jared Allen and Koren Robinson deserve respect for personal decisions to quit drinking. Obviously, this is a difficult decision and a little support or encouragement may assist them.
If you know someone who has made a commitment to stop drinking you have a responsibility to provide your support and understanding.
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May 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Said it before, will say it again. Wouldn’t those innocent people in NFL cities be a lot better off if their local NFL players were getting stoned rather than drunk?
You should get on changing that rule Florio.
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