Comments on: A SALARY CAP REFRESHER REGARDING TRADES http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:22:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: islebfrank http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-23066 islebfrank Thu, 01 May 2008 19:24:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-23066 I find it comical that the few posts supporting the Bengals getting rid of Uno Bunghole are fans with an ulterior motive, like ICey Puddpounder, a self proclaimed "stillers" fan, and Jeremiah "I could have been somebody" W., a Ravens fan that admits if he had any b@lls, would have played college football. I can understand your desperate attempts to try to remain competitive with the BENGALS, but at least admit you want the BENGALS to trade Chad because it improves the chances of the team(s) you support and not because you think the top players on your favorite team should be able to come and go as they please. I find it comical that the few posts supporting the Bengals getting rid of Uno Bunghole are fans with an ulterior motive, like ICey Puddpounder, a self proclaimed “stillers” fan, and Jeremiah “I could have been somebody” W., a Ravens fan that admits if he had any b@lls, would have played college football.

I can understand your desperate attempts to try to remain competitive with the BENGALS, but at least admit you want the BENGALS to trade Chad because it improves the chances of the team(s) you support and not because you think the top players on your favorite team should be able to come and go as they please.

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]]> By: Weapon X_20_BDawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22789 Weapon X_20_BDawk Thu, 01 May 2008 03:57:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22789 IgnatiusJReilly, two and a half times the production of Roy Williams is ridiculous. I wonder if you even know what you are talking about with a comment like that. Roy Williams is bigger and stronger, maybe not quite as fast but still worthy of mention in the same category. And even if Chad is a little bit better of a player, that fact that he is such a HUGE IDIOT takes it back down a few notches. Football is a team sport. A great individual player may win you games, but not a championship. You need TEAM players to make your TEAM better. Johnson is a one man show who drags down team moral. "Baller" or not, Johnson has Hall of Fame talent(he's not there now, but has the potential skills) with an attitude that will ensure that he stays out of it. On the other hand Roy Williams has plenty of physical tools. Combined with a quality team around him, who knows how good he could be, and how good his addition could make a team like the Eagles. IgnatiusJReilly, two and a half times the production of Roy Williams is ridiculous. I wonder if you even know what you are talking about with a comment like that.

Roy Williams is bigger and stronger, maybe not quite as fast but still worthy of mention in the same category. And even if Chad is a little bit better of a player, that fact that he is such a HUGE IDIOT takes it back down a few notches. Football is a team sport. A great individual player may win you games, but not a championship. You need TEAM players to make your TEAM better. Johnson is a one man show who drags down team moral. “Baller” or not, Johnson has Hall of Fame talent(he’s not there now, but has the potential skills) with an attitude that will ensure that he stays out of it.

On the other hand Roy Williams has plenty of physical tools. Combined with a quality team around him, who knows how good he could be, and how good his addition could make a team like the Eagles.

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]]> By: Mr. Shalz http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22768 Mr. Shalz Thu, 01 May 2008 01:58:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22768 I C, if Chad didn't want to be on this team, he should have never agreed to and signed his current contract. As far as not hating him...he has called out for all the attention on his own. He is earning the respect he is getting. I C, if Chad didn’t want to be on this team, he should have never agreed to and signed his current contract. As far as not hating him…he has called out for all the attention on his own. He is earning the respect he is getting.

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]]> By: CountSnail http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22710 CountSnail Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:18:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22710 Reilly, did you do any research at all before you posted? Roy Roy isn't a "big old dude". Williams is 27,Ocho Stinko is 30. Go figure Reilly, did you do any research at all before you posted? Roy Roy isn’t a “big old dude”. Williams is 27,Ocho Stinko is 30. Go figure

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]]> By: eaglemd http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22645 eaglemd Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22645 I don't care if ocho goldtooth costs the eagles $1, please don't trade for him. We will be fine at WR. Don't want him, don't need him. The eagles would regret if they gave up a 7th rounder for him. I don’t care if ocho goldtooth costs the eagles $1, please don’t trade for him. We will be fine at WR. Don’t want him, don’t need him. The eagles would regret if they gave up a 7th rounder for him.

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]]> By: Weapon X_20_BDawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22628 Weapon X_20_BDawk Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:09:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22628 I C light pounder, I think if his reason for causing all this trouble was simply because of the team he played for not being good, that MIGHT be a valid point, but in reality Chad Johnson, once again, wanted a new contract. And when he didn’t get what he wanted, he started acting like a jerk again because his enormously overgrown ego was hurt. I am glad to see smart Eagles fan in this post that agree that Chad is no good for our team. He is in love with himself and constantly wants more money because of it. He is far worse than T.O. was in my opinion. He can’t even stop referring to himself in the third person because he is in love with himself. I would want him if he wasn’t such a moron. It’s a shame to see good talent spoiled by pure idiocy. As much as I would love for them to bring in a top caliber talent at wideout, if the Eagles can’t trade for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin (which seems unlikely at this point) they should wait until next year. I think if McNabb can play at the very top of his game we can live one more year with these wideouts. I C light pounder, I think if his reason for causing all this trouble was simply because of the team he played for not being good, that MIGHT be a valid point, but in reality Chad Johnson, once again, wanted a new contract. And when he didn’t get what he wanted, he started acting like a jerk again because his enormously overgrown ego was hurt.

I am glad to see smart Eagles fan in this post that agree that Chad is no good for our team. He is in love with himself and constantly wants more money because of it. He is far worse than T.O. was in my opinion. He can’t even stop referring to himself in the third person because he is in love with himself. I would want him if he wasn’t such a moron. It’s a shame to see good talent spoiled by pure idiocy.

As much as I would love for them to bring in a top caliber talent at wideout, if the Eagles can’t trade for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin (which seems unlikely at this point) they should wait until next year. I think if McNabb can play at the very top of his game we can live one more year with these wideouts.

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]]> By: Facts Dominio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22576 Facts Dominio Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:23:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22576 If Chad Canzer were to be traded before 6/1, his unallocated signing bonus would accelerate into the current year. It would create an on the books cap hit of 8 million + his base salary due for 2008. Since his base salary would be removed due to the trade, the remaining figure is 8 million dollars and not 3million. The cap hit would be lower if he is traded after 6/1. The 6/1 date is an arbitrary date when it comes to a player being released, and I am not sure if it's as arbitrary when it comes to a player being traded. If Chad Canzer were to be traded before 6/1, his unallocated signing bonus would accelerate into the current year. It would create an on the books cap hit of 8 million + his base salary due for 2008. Since his base salary would be removed due to the trade, the remaining figure is 8 million dollars and not 3million.

The cap hit would be lower if he is traded after 6/1.

The 6/1 date is an arbitrary date when it comes to a player being released, and I am not sure if it’s as arbitrary when it comes to a player being traded.

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]]> By: preludetosmack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22534 preludetosmack Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:12:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22534 It might be 'easy' to restructure Carson's contract to alter that $7+m into a signing bonus, but then you decrease his cap-hit for this season while increasing it for the remainder of his contract. What good does that do for the franchise? If we're going for draft-picks next year anyway there's no reason to deal him this season. It would cost us less to keep him on the roster for another year, both this season and in future seasons; regardless of the cap manipulation. It might be ‘easy’ to restructure Carson’s contract to alter that $7+m into a signing bonus, but then you decrease his cap-hit for this season while increasing it for the remainder of his contract.

What good does that do for the franchise?

If we’re going for draft-picks next year anyway there’s no reason to deal him this season. It would cost us less to keep him on the roster for another year, both this season and in future seasons; regardless of the cap manipulation.

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]]> By: I C light pounder http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22529 I C light pounder Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:10:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22529 everyone need to stop hateing on Chad...if you were in his shoes and were stuck on the soon to be (if not already) worst team in the NFL you would want out to. and who would you want as an agent to get you out Drew F'en Rosenhaus. Way to go chad keep sticking it to da bungles and be the one to single handedly take down a team. and when the team is down kick it in the stomach for good measure!!!! Go Stillers! everyone need to stop hateing on Chad…if you were in his shoes and were stuck on the soon to be (if not already) worst team in the NFL you would want out to. and who would you want as an agent to get you out Drew F’en Rosenhaus. Way to go chad keep sticking it to da bungles and be the one to single handedly take down a team. and when the team is down kick it in the stomach for good measure!!!!

Go Stillers!

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]]> By: luke65 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22513 luke65 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:36:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22513 I doubt the Bengals have totally passed on the idea of trading Chad. Rather, they're waiting until after he misses his first mandatory team session so they can recoup some of his bonus money. Then, after June 1, they can try peddling him. Since the reported 3 principal suitors are all division rivals, they should still do okay in a trade. I doubt the Bengals have totally passed on the idea of trading Chad. Rather, they’re waiting until after he misses his first mandatory team session so they can recoup some of his bonus money. Then, after June 1, they can try peddling him. Since the reported 3 principal suitors are all division rivals, they should still do okay in a trade.

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]]> By: IgnatiusJReilly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22511 IgnatiusJReilly Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:32:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22511 Stats don't lie. Yeah, Roy Williams is a big old dude and maybe even good at those red zone jumpballs but, as a wideout, Roy can't carry Chad's jock. Sure, his recent behavior is worthy of insult and mockery, but you can't say the same about his performance on the field. We're tired of him here in Cincinnati, good riddance and all, but Chad's a baller and he'll bring it wherever he goes. For the Eagles, Chad would bring probably two and a half times the total receptions, yardage, and TDs as Roy Williams. Stats don’t lie. Yeah, Roy Williams is a big old dude and maybe even good at those red zone jumpballs but, as a wideout, Roy can’t carry Chad’s jock. Sure, his recent behavior is worthy of insult and mockery, but you can’t say the same about his performance on the field. We’re tired of him here in Cincinnati, good riddance and all, but Chad’s a baller and he’ll bring it wherever he goes. For the Eagles, Chad would bring probably two and a half times the total receptions, yardage, and TDs as Roy Williams.

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]]> By: ConcreteCharlie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22509 ConcreteCharlie Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:32:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22509 I'd prefer not to be sitting here in 3 years wondering why yet again we are suing another ex-Eagles wide receiver for the prorated portion of their signing bonus all because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and just play great football. I bleed green but any Eagles fan who wants Johnson is seriously lacking any sort of smartness (thank Emmitt). I’d prefer not to be sitting here in 3 years wondering why yet again we are suing another ex-Eagles wide receiver for the prorated portion of their signing bonus all because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut and just play great football. I bleed green but any Eagles fan who wants Johnson is seriously lacking any sort of smartness (thank Emmitt).

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]]> By: Dirty_Waters http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22506 Dirty_Waters Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:19:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22506 Smart Eagle fans don't want Johnson. He tries so hard to be like TO, didn't we learn our lesson. He's not that good. Smart Eagle fans don’t want Johnson. He tries so hard to be like TO, didn’t we learn our lesson. He’s not that good.

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]]> By: JohnnyH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22499 JohnnyH Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22499 Pete Rose was awesome I loved it when he played for The Phillies. But Chad, maybe not so much. We might have our hands full with DeSean Jackson as it is. The last thing we need is someone like Chad Johnson coming into the locker room and filling his head with crap and gold teeth. Pete Rose was awesome I loved it when he played for The Phillies. But Chad, maybe not so much. We might have our hands full with DeSean Jackson as it is. The last thing we need is someone like Chad Johnson coming into the locker room and filling his head with crap and gold teeth.

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]]> By: ryanmc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22496 ryanmc Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:56:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22496 In fact the net cap hit would only be +-$2 million since +-$3 million of that unallocated signing bonus is ALREADY BEING CHARGED TO THIS YEAR'S CAP. But your main point is correct, the cap is NOT an obstacle to trading Chad in any meaningful way. If the Bengals want to trade him they can arrange it. In fact the net cap hit would only be +-$2 million since +-$3 million of that unallocated signing bonus is ALREADY BEING CHARGED TO THIS YEAR’S CAP.

But your main point is correct, the cap is NOT an obstacle to trading Chad in any meaningful way. If the Bengals want to trade him they can arrange it.

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]]> By: bolo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22493 bolo Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:52:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22493 I think it would be in their best interest to call his bluff. I mean, if he sits, they don't have to pay him and he will not be helping another team. If he plays he has too much ego to not play his best. I think it would be in their best interest to call his bluff. I mean, if he sits, they don’t have to pay him and he will not be helping another team. If he plays he has too much ego to not play his best.

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]]> By: B-dawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22490 B-dawk Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22490 I'm with Phillyrocks on this one, keep the troublemaker in Cincy. We've had our fill of those. Keep Lito and the picks for next year. At most, I'd like to see Williams or Boldin, otherwise, wait until next years draft and really reload. I’m with Phillyrocks on this one, keep the troublemaker in Cincy. We’ve had our fill of those. Keep Lito and the picks for next year. At most, I’d like to see Williams or Boldin, otherwise, wait until next years draft and really reload.

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]]> By: mad555 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22486 mad555 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:39:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22486 We have two 1st rd picks!!! but the Anal Eagles will not part with both. If they concede the fact they need the #1 WR then maybe they would do a 1,2, and lito for chad or Roy. fingers crossed. We have two 1st rd picks!!! but the Anal Eagles will not part with both. If they concede the fact they need the #1 WR then maybe they would do a 1,2, and lito for chad or Roy. fingers crossed.

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]]> By: Klutch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22484 Klutch Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:36:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22484 I want this guy to sit so bad it hurts. More than the prove a point to him but more to Rosenhaus, he gets these dipchits to do this every year and I want to see it start backfiring on him. I can't stand that scumbag. I want this guy to sit so bad it hurts. More than the prove a point to him but more to Rosenhaus, he gets these dipchits to do this every year and I want to see it start backfiring on him. I can’t stand that scumbag.

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]]> By: joepinion http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22475 joepinion Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:29:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22475 I thought the rule had changed so that you can make the cut before June 1 and still count it as a post-June 1 cut?? Maybe I'm imagining things?? I thought the rule had changed so that you can make the cut before June 1 and still count it as a post-June 1 cut?? Maybe I’m imagining things??

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]]> By: PhillyRocks-TO-NotSoMuch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22465 PhillyRocks-TO-NotSoMuch Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22465 Why do you keep writing about Ocho Stinko? We don't want his wretched, stinking-ass carcass or his Me-Me-Me Red Mohawk or his gold teeth. Keep him in that back water of Cincinnati, home of people who diefy Pete Rose (although Mike Brown is doing more than his part in helping to rehabilitate the reputation of Cincinnati in my book! Way to go, Mike ... sit Chad Johnson for 3 years, and stick it to DREW ROSENPUKE. He'll have to go back to trolling outside the practice gates at UM's JV field if only more owners like MIKE BROWN stood up to that MAJOR JERK-WAD!) Why do you keep writing about Ocho Stinko? We don’t want his wretched, stinking-ass carcass or his Me-Me-Me Red Mohawk or his gold teeth. Keep him in that back water of Cincinnati, home of people who diefy Pete Rose (although Mike Brown is doing more than his part in helping to rehabilitate the reputation of Cincinnati in my book! Way to go, Mike … sit Chad Johnson for 3 years, and stick it to DREW ROSENPUKE. He’ll have to go back to trolling outside the practice gates at UM’s JV field if only more owners like MIKE BROWN stood up to that MAJOR JERK-WAD!)

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]]> By: Taco Bill http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22461 Taco Bill Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:43:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22461 Thanks MIke .......not for the salary cap info ....but for crushing hope we had here in Philly of landing Chad Johnson. Thanks MIke …….not for the salary cap info ….but for crushing hope we had here in Philly of landing Chad Johnson.

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]]> By: EaglesOmen http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22460 EaglesOmen Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:39:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22460 I would only try to go after Chad if I couldn't get Roy Williams they Eagles are better off throwing a 1st & Lito or a 1, 2, and Lito and overwelhm Detrioit to get Roy he is a better Red Zone Receiver and better from the slot than Chad. He'd give us the best chance to win. We have the picks in 2009 draft to get Roy. I would only try to go after Chad if I couldn’t get Roy Williams
they Eagles are better off throwing a 1st & Lito or
a 1, 2, and Lito and overwelhm Detrioit to get Roy
he is a better Red Zone Receiver and better from the slot
than Chad. He’d give us the best chance to win. We have the
picks in 2009 draft to get Roy.

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]]> By: cincyeaglefan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22458 cincyeaglefan Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:38:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/30/a-salary-cap-refresher-regarding-trades/#comment-22458 I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the Eagles pick up Johnson I won't cheer one bit for the few times he scores. And I'll boo like hell for the multiple times he'll drop clutch 3rd down passes. I'll be indifferent when he makes catches in points in the game that are darn near meaningless. The story of his career so far. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the Eagles pick up Johnson I won’t cheer one bit for the few times he scores. And I’ll boo like hell for the multiple times he’ll drop clutch 3rd down passes. I’ll be indifferent when he makes catches in points in the game that are darn near meaningless. The story of his career so far.

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