We’ve gotten plenty of inquiries over the past day regarding the cap consequences to the Bengals of a possible trade of receiver Chad Johnson to the Eagles.
The inquiries primarily have come from our friends in Philly, and our own Taco Bill tells us that it’s a major source of confusion there.
As a preliminary matter, none of this matters. The Bengals won’t be trading Johnson, barring a dramatic change of heart from team president Mike Brown.
But if a trade were to happen, the cap hit would hinge on whether a deal is done before or after June 1. Before June 1, the Bengals would take the full acceleration for all unallocated signing bonus money. In Johnson’s case, it’s around $8 million. The number as a practical matter would be offset by the $3 million in base salary that Johnson is owed this year, knocking the net cap hit down to $5 million.
After June 1, the Bengals would carry in 2008 only the signing bonus allocation that they’d otherwise show if Johnson were on the team. The rest of the signing bonus money would hit the cap in 2009.
Here’s an example. If a player receives a five-year contract with a $5 million signing bonus, the signing bonus applies to the cap at a rate of $1 million per season. So if the player is traded before June 1 in the second year, the cap charge for that season would be$4 million. After that season, the player would be off the books.
If the player is traded after June 1, the cap hit would drop to $1 million for the current year. The next year, the team would take a $3 million cap hit.
It has been argued by some that the Bengals couldn’t absorb the $5 million net cap hit by trading Johnson before June 1. As we pointed out on Saturday, however, the $5 million could easily be offset by doing a so-called “simple restructuring” to quarterback Carson Palmer’s contract, knocking his $7.75 million base salary down to the minimum and converting the rest of it to a signing bonus.
Again, however, Johnson won’t be traded unless the Bengals want to trade him. And with the Redskins now out of the picture, someone else will have to come up with two first-round picks and possible more to even get the Bengals to consider reconsidering.
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:38 am
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the Eagles pick up Johnson I won’t cheer one bit for the few times he scores. And I’ll boo like hell for the multiple times he’ll drop clutch 3rd down passes. I’ll be indifferent when he makes catches in points in the game that are darn near meaningless. The story of his career so far.
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:39 am
I would only try to go after Chad if I couldn’t get Roy Williams
they Eagles are better off throwing a 1st & Lito or
a 1, 2, and Lito and overwelhm Detrioit to get Roy
he is a better Red Zone Receiver and better from the slot
than Chad. He’d give us the best chance to win. We have the
picks in 2009 draft to get Roy.
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Thanks MIke …….not for the salary cap info ….but for crushing hope we had here in Philly of landing Chad Johnson.
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Why do you keep writing about Ocho Stinko? We don’t want his wretched, stinking-ass carcass or his Me-Me-Me Red Mohawk or his gold teeth. Keep him in that back water of Cincinnati, home of people who diefy Pete Rose (although Mike Brown is doing more than his part in helping to rehabilitate the reputation of Cincinnati in my book! Way to go, Mike … sit Chad Johnson for 3 years, and stick it to DREW ROSENPUKE. He’ll have to go back to trolling outside the practice gates at UM’s JV field if only more owners like MIKE BROWN stood up to that MAJOR JERK-WAD!)
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
I thought the rule had changed so that you can make the cut before June 1 and still count it as a post-June 1 cut?? Maybe I’m imagining things??
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:36 am
I want this guy to sit so bad it hurts. More than the prove a point to him but more to Rosenhaus, he gets these dipchits to do this every year and I want to see it start backfiring on him. I can’t stand that scumbag.
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:39 am
We have two 1st rd picks!!! but the Anal Eagles will not part with both. If they concede the fact they need the #1 WR then maybe they would do a 1,2, and lito for chad or Roy. fingers crossed.
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I’m with Phillyrocks on this one, keep the troublemaker in Cincy. We’ve had our fill of those. Keep Lito and the picks for next year. At most, I’d like to see Williams or Boldin, otherwise, wait until next years draft and really reload.
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I think it would be in their best interest to call his bluff. I mean, if he sits, they don’t have to pay him and he will not be helping another team. If he plays he has too much ego to not play his best.
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am
In fact the net cap hit would only be +-$2 million since +-$3 million of that unallocated signing bonus is ALREADY BEING CHARGED TO THIS YEAR’S CAP.
But your main point is correct, the cap is NOT an obstacle to trading Chad in any meaningful way. If the Bengals want to trade him they can arrange it.
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April 30th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Pete Rose was awesome I loved it when he played for The Phillies. But Chad, maybe not so much. We might have our hands full with DeSean Jackson as it is. The last thing we need is someone like Chad Johnson coming into the locker room and filling his head with crap and gold teeth.
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April 30th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Smart Eagle fans don’t want Johnson. He tries so hard to be like TO, didn’t we learn our lesson. He’s not that good.
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April 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I’d prefer not to be sitting here in 3 years wondering why yet again we are suing another ex-Eagles wide receiver for the prorated portion of their signing bonus all because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut and just play great football. I bleed green but any Eagles fan who wants Johnson is seriously lacking any sort of smartness (thank Emmitt).
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April 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Stats don’t lie. Yeah, Roy Williams is a big old dude and maybe even good at those red zone jumpballs but, as a wideout, Roy can’t carry Chad’s jock. Sure, his recent behavior is worthy of insult and mockery, but you can’t say the same about his performance on the field. We’re tired of him here in Cincinnati, good riddance and all, but Chad’s a baller and he’ll bring it wherever he goes. For the Eagles, Chad would bring probably two and a half times the total receptions, yardage, and TDs as Roy Williams.
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April 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I doubt the Bengals have totally passed on the idea of trading Chad. Rather, they’re waiting until after he misses his first mandatory team session so they can recoup some of his bonus money. Then, after June 1, they can try peddling him. Since the reported 3 principal suitors are all division rivals, they should still do okay in a trade.
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April 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
everyone need to stop hateing on Chad…if you were in his shoes and were stuck on the soon to be (if not already) worst team in the NFL you would want out to. and who would you want as an agent to get you out Drew F’en Rosenhaus. Way to go chad keep sticking it to da bungles and be the one to single handedly take down a team. and when the team is down kick it in the stomach for good measure!!!!
Go Stillers!
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April 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am
It might be ‘easy’ to restructure Carson’s contract to alter that $7+m into a signing bonus, but then you decrease his cap-hit for this season while increasing it for the remainder of his contract.
What good does that do for the franchise?
If we’re going for draft-picks next year anyway there’s no reason to deal him this season. It would cost us less to keep him on the roster for another year, both this season and in future seasons; regardless of the cap manipulation.
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April 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
If Chad Canzer were to be traded before 6/1, his unallocated signing bonus would accelerate into the current year. It would create an on the books cap hit of 8 million + his base salary due for 2008. Since his base salary would be removed due to the trade, the remaining figure is 8 million dollars and not 3million.
The cap hit would be lower if he is traded after 6/1.
The 6/1 date is an arbitrary date when it comes to a player being released, and I am not sure if it’s as arbitrary when it comes to a player being traded.
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April 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I C light pounder, I think if his reason for causing all this trouble was simply because of the team he played for not being good, that MIGHT be a valid point, but in reality Chad Johnson, once again, wanted a new contract. And when he didn’t get what he wanted, he started acting like a jerk again because his enormously overgrown ego was hurt.
I am glad to see smart Eagles fan in this post that agree that Chad is no good for our team. He is in love with himself and constantly wants more money because of it. He is far worse than T.O. was in my opinion. He can’t even stop referring to himself in the third person because he is in love with himself. I would want him if he wasn’t such a moron. It’s a shame to see good talent spoiled by pure idiocy.
As much as I would love for them to bring in a top caliber talent at wideout, if the Eagles can’t trade for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin (which seems unlikely at this point) they should wait until next year. I think if McNabb can play at the very top of his game we can live one more year with these wideouts.
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April 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I don’t care if ocho goldtooth costs the eagles $1, please don’t trade for him. We will be fine at WR. Don’t want him, don’t need him. The eagles would regret if they gave up a 7th rounder for him.
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April 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Reilly, did you do any research at all before you posted? Roy Roy isn’t a “big old dude”. Williams is 27,Ocho Stinko is 30. Go figure
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April 30th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I C, if Chad didn’t want to be on this team, he should have never agreed to and signed his current contract. As far as not hating him…he has called out for all the attention on his own. He is earning the respect he is getting.
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April 30th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
IgnatiusJReilly, two and a half times the production of Roy Williams is ridiculous. I wonder if you even know what you are talking about with a comment like that.
Roy Williams is bigger and stronger, maybe not quite as fast but still worthy of mention in the same category. And even if Chad is a little bit better of a player, that fact that he is such a HUGE IDIOT takes it back down a few notches. Football is a team sport. A great individual player may win you games, but not a championship. You need TEAM players to make your TEAM better. Johnson is a one man show who drags down team moral. “Baller” or not, Johnson has Hall of Fame talent(he’s not there now, but has the potential skills) with an attitude that will ensure that he stays out of it.
On the other hand Roy Williams has plenty of physical tools. Combined with a quality team around him, who knows how good he could be, and how good his addition could make a team like the Eagles.
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May 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I find it comical that the few posts supporting the Bengals getting rid of Uno Bunghole are fans with an ulterior motive, like ICey Puddpounder, a self proclaimed “stillers” fan, and Jeremiah “I could have been somebody” W., a Ravens fan that admits if he had any b@lls, would have played college football.
I can understand your desperate attempts to try to remain competitive with the BENGALS, but at least admit you want the BENGALS to trade Chad because it improves the chances of the team(s) you support and not because you think the top players on your favorite team should be able to come and go as they please.
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