Comments on: SAPP CRITIQUES FORMER TEAM http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:05:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22837 Henry Plainview Thu, 01 May 2008 11:07:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22837 i know all about the 3-4 and actually read your article a while back. i never said he was good, i said he was ideal, as in his size. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it. i know all about the 3-4 and actually read your article a while back. i never said he was good, i said he was ideal, as in his size. you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink it.

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]]> By: tomb http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22750 tomb Thu, 01 May 2008 00:34:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22750 LJ had back problems but STILL played that is why he had an unproductive season LJ had back problems but STILL played that is why he had an unproductive season

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]]> By: edweirdo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22559 edweirdo Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:51:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22559 Grulks, I agree Lamont doesn't have a lot of value, given his durability concerns. But I think the Raiders don't want to let him land in a good situation, period, let alone in the division, where he *might* have a chance to get back at his old team. Either way, I'm not concerned. We gave Lamont a franchise-type contract, but he pulled a turd move and didn't work hard. Everyone knew this was the risk when he was signed. Back in NY, the biggest concern with Lamont was that he got by with his talent but wasn't working hard. Henry Plainview, Sands was a huge disappointment last season. He was supposed to be the starting 4-3 NT, but he didn't pan out. If he can't even 2-gap in the 4-3, what makes you think he can handle the toughest 2-gap position in football, the 3-4 NT? Sands has tremendous size (6-7, 335), but he has 2 problems: 1. consistency 2. playing with leverage Those are both things that are critical for a 3-4 NT. I was one of many fans who was happy with Sands 2006 play. But in 2007 he just disappeared. And after Sands, there is no viable backup for 3-4 NT. No one. I wrote an article on The Basics of the 3-4 Defense a while back (http://geocities.com/epark/raiders/football-101-3-4-defense.html), it's one of the top ones listed if you Google "3-4 defense". Check it out. I have a lot more written there about what personnel are required for the system. I still don't know where Sapp is coming from. We don't have the personnel for the 3-4. Grulks,

I agree Lamont doesn’t have a lot of value, given his durability concerns. But I think the Raiders don’t want to let him land in a good situation, period, let alone in the division, where he *might* have a chance to get back at his old team.

Either way, I’m not concerned. We gave Lamont a franchise-type contract, but he pulled a turd move and didn’t work hard. Everyone knew this was the risk when he was signed. Back in NY, the biggest concern with Lamont was that he got by with his talent but wasn’t working hard.

Henry Plainview,

Sands was a huge disappointment last season.

He was supposed to be the starting 4-3 NT, but he didn’t pan out. If he can’t even 2-gap in the 4-3, what makes you think he can handle the toughest 2-gap position in football, the 3-4 NT?

Sands has tremendous size (6-7, 335), but he has 2 problems:
1. consistency
2. playing with leverage

Those are both things that are critical for a 3-4 NT.

I was one of many fans who was happy with Sands 2006 play. But in 2007 he just disappeared.

And after Sands, there is no viable backup for 3-4 NT. No one.

I wrote an article on The Basics of the 3-4 Defense a while back (http://geocities.com/epark/raiders/football-101-3-4-defense.html), it’s one of the top ones listed if you Google “3-4 defense”. Check it out. I have a lot more written there about what personnel are required for the system.

I still don’t know where Sapp is coming from. We don’t have the personnel for the 3-4.

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22398 Henry Plainview Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:50:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22398 the Raiders have Sands and he is an ideal 3-4 Nose Tackle. the Raiders have Sands and he is an ideal 3-4 Nose Tackle.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22388 wingnut Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:09:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22388 Sapp needs a TIKTAK... Sapp needs a TIKTAK…

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22372 Grulks Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:22:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22372 edweirdo, Lamont sucks....who would take him?? Maybe Denver, but sheesh, what good would that do since Lamont doesnt know the blocking schemes let alone actual plays, he's out of shape, and even if the first two weren't true he wasn't that great outside of backing up Curtis Martin in a two back system. edweirdo,
Lamont sucks….who would take him?? Maybe Denver, but sheesh, what good would that do since Lamont doesnt know the blocking schemes let alone actual plays, he’s out of shape, and even if the first two weren’t true he wasn’t that great outside of backing up Curtis Martin in a two back system.

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]]> By: edweirdo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22324 edweirdo Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:22:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22324 First off, note how Sapp talks about the Raiders as "our" team. He still considers himself a part of the franchise. So I don't agree with Florio that Sapp is ripping the Raiders. Sapp is being Sapp, which is blunt and opinionated. As far as Sapp throwing Lamont Jordan under the bus, you have to consider the history: - Raiders sign LJ as their franchise RB in 2005. He performs well in 2005 but is gassed / cramping in the 2nd half of a lot of games - In the 2006, LJ admits he didn't bother to learn the OL blocking schemes the previous year. LJ has trouble staying healthy, and even when he's on the field, he's still getting tired in the 2nd half of games. It's pathetic - In 2007, more of the same as 2006, except Kiffin won't tolerate it. Fargas becomes the starter, and remains so, even after LJ is healthy enough to play The only reason LJ is still on the Raiders roster is they are waiting to dump him as late as possible, so that he doesn't latch onto another team (e.g. in the division). Rhodes was released because he asked to be released after DMac was drafted, and unlike LJ he didn't b!tch publicly about lack of playing time. And the Raiders needed to free up some cap space per the Fabian Washington trade. The only thing I disagree with Sapp is he take that the Raiders have personnel better suited to 3-4. That's ridiculous, look at the guys we have in the front 7: 1. we don't have a 3-4 NT. If you don't have a stronger 2-gapper, the DL will get eaten alive by runs between the tackles 2. putting Kelly at 3-4 DE would be a waste of his 1-gap penetration ability, just as it was a waste of Sapp's in 2004 3. our 2 stud LBs, Morrison and Howard, esp Howard, are great fits for the 4-3, where they have 2 DTs in front of them. Howard himself said on his website (mr53.com) that he thinks 4-3 is the best system for him. He's a great 4-3 WLB, but in the 3-4, he'd have to move inside and deal with unblocked OL 4. you could argue that 4-3 LDE Burgess would make a great 2-pt 3-4 rush OLB. He probably would. But he's been productive at 4-3 LDE, why fix if it ain't broke? First off, note how Sapp talks about the Raiders as “our” team. He still considers himself a part of the franchise.

So I don’t agree with Florio that Sapp is ripping the Raiders. Sapp is being Sapp, which is blunt and opinionated.

As far as Sapp throwing Lamont Jordan under the bus, you have to consider the history:
- Raiders sign LJ as their franchise RB in 2005. He performs well in 2005 but is gassed / cramping in the 2nd half of a lot of games
- In the 2006, LJ admits he didn’t bother to learn the OL blocking schemes the previous year. LJ has trouble staying healthy, and even when he’s on the field, he’s still getting tired in the 2nd half of games. It’s pathetic
- In 2007, more of the same as 2006, except Kiffin won’t tolerate it. Fargas becomes the starter, and remains so, even after LJ is healthy enough to play

The only reason LJ is still on the Raiders roster is they are waiting to dump him as late as possible, so that he doesn’t latch onto another team (e.g. in the division).

Rhodes was released because he asked to be released after DMac was drafted, and unlike LJ he didn’t b!tch publicly about lack of playing time. And the Raiders needed to free up some cap space per the Fabian Washington trade.

The only thing I disagree with Sapp is he take that the Raiders have personnel better suited to 3-4. That’s ridiculous, look at the guys we have in the front 7:
1. we don’t have a 3-4 NT. If you don’t have a stronger 2-gapper, the DL will get eaten alive by runs between the tackles
2. putting Kelly at 3-4 DE would be a waste of his 1-gap penetration ability, just as it was a waste of Sapp’s in 2004
3. our 2 stud LBs, Morrison and Howard, esp Howard, are great fits for the 4-3, where they have 2 DTs in front of them. Howard himself said on his website (mr53.com) that he thinks 4-3 is the best system for him. He’s a great 4-3 WLB, but in the 3-4, he’d have to move inside and deal with unblocked OL
4. you could argue that 4-3 LDE Burgess would make a great 2-pt 3-4 rush OLB. He probably would. But he’s been productive at 4-3 LDE, why fix if it ain’t broke?

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22292 Henry Plainview Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:20:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22292 he didn't say anything bad. the Raiders do have 3-4 personnel and Jordan is out of shape. he didn’t say anything bad. the Raiders do have 3-4 personnel and Jordan is out of shape.

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]]> By: Hooded swan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22275 Hooded swan Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:34:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22275 J in the J, Sapp didn't have to, but should have been, more discreet about L. Jordan. The guy's going to be looking for work soon. Alamedaman, you're right on. Who does Sapp think the starting D should be? T. Sands or G. Warren starting at NT? D. Burgess as a situational pass rusher? S. Williams starting at ILB? He may not make sense, but he's always good for a quote. Guess Sapp & Rob Ryan didn't see eye to eye even though they acted like they were buddies. KGleits, guess the Raiders decided Rhodes wasn't all that much better than "Joe" Echemandu. Treez, Davis announced last year that he intends to pass the team on to his wife. Amy Trask will probably promote to CEO, but she has not been involved with the football part of the organization. Bruce Allen looked like he was heir apparent before he left to join Gruden in Tampa. J in the J, Sapp didn’t have to, but should have been, more discreet about L. Jordan. The guy’s going to be looking for work soon.

Alamedaman, you’re right on. Who does Sapp think the starting D should be? T. Sands or G. Warren starting at NT? D. Burgess as a situational pass rusher? S. Williams starting at ILB? He may not make sense, but he’s always good for a quote. Guess Sapp & Rob Ryan didn’t see eye to eye even though they acted like they were buddies.

KGleits, guess the Raiders decided Rhodes wasn’t all that much better than “Joe” Echemandu.

Treez, Davis announced last year that he intends to pass the team on to his wife. Amy Trask will probably promote to CEO, but she has not been involved with the football part of the organization. Bruce Allen looked like he was heir apparent before he left to join Gruden in Tampa.

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22257 Kotite Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22257 KY nailed it. Michael Silver blows. He makes Paul McGuire look like Socrates. KY nailed it. Michael Silver blows. He makes Paul McGuire look like Socrates.

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]]> By: wowbaka http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22246 wowbaka Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:56:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22246 I'm still pissed he had that despicable tackle on Chad Clifton a couple years ago. I’m still pissed he had that despicable tackle on Chad Clifton a couple years ago.

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]]> By: RSKindred http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22240 RSKindred Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22240 Treez, If that is the case, I'm all for it. Treez,
If that is the case, I’m all for it.

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]]> By: thedude925 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22236 thedude925 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:45:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22236 Rhodes was cut b/c they were over the cap. They released him and are back under. Maybe Lamont is next... Rhodes was cut b/c they were over the cap. They released him and are back under. Maybe Lamont is next…

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]]> By: KY http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22232 KY Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:36:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22232 Michael Silver is one of the biggest pricks in the business...the guy is a complete tool. Michael Silver is one of the biggest pricks in the business…the guy is a complete tool.

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22226 Treez Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:23:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22226 I think Al wants to sell the team. Trying to get to the playoffs this year and sell. I think Al wants to sell the team. Trying to get to the playoffs this year and sell.

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]]> By: KGleits http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22211 KGleits Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:56:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22211 Lamont Jordan is obviously completely out of shape and disappoints every year...can someone explain why Dominic Rhodes was cut today then?? I'm assuming it had to be because of his off the field issues and contract. Lamont Jordan is obviously completely out of shape and disappoints every year…can someone explain why Dominic Rhodes was cut today then?? I’m assuming it had to be because of his off the field issues and contract.

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]]> By: mikemfer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22207 mikemfer Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:50:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22207 The one common element of all the Raiders' dysfunctional relationships is the Raiders. And by the Raiders, I mean Al Davis. The one common element of all the Raiders’ dysfunctional relationships is the Raiders. And by the Raiders, I mean Al Davis.

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]]> By: diehardbearsfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22199 diehardbearsfan Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:41:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22199 Warren Sapp....the new Tiki? Warren Sapp….the new Tiki?

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]]> By: alamedaman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22195 alamedaman Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:35:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22195 originally Rob Ryan wanted to run a 3-4 but after Ted Washington left they didn't have anyone to play the nose, and also sapp is ill-suited for edge rushing in the 3-4. I don't think we have the right linebacking corps for a 3-4. Sure Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison should have been Pro bowlers, but then there still needs to be 2 more LBs (sam williams and isiah ekejiuba won't cut it IMO). As for Sapp, he was a great pass rusher but a terrible run-stopper, one of the reasons I believe the Raiders did so poorly against the run the past few seasons. originally Rob Ryan wanted to run a 3-4 but after Ted Washington left they didn’t have anyone to play the nose, and also sapp is ill-suited for edge rushing in the 3-4. I don’t think we have the right linebacking corps for a 3-4. Sure Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison should have been Pro bowlers, but then there still needs to be 2 more LBs (sam williams and isiah ekejiuba won’t cut it IMO). As for Sapp, he was a great pass rusher but a terrible run-stopper, one of the reasons I believe the Raiders did so poorly against the run the past few seasons.

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]]> By: BrianDorry55 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22187 BrianDorry55 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:24:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22187 Well...I assume he'll go into the hall of fame as a Buccaneer! Well…I assume he’ll go into the hall of fame as a Buccaneer!

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]]> By: Jack in the Jack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22178 Jack in the Jack Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:13:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/29/sapp-critiques-former-team/#comment-22178 Why not tell it like it is? He's retired after four miserable years with that team. Why not tell it like it is? He’s retired after four miserable years with that team.

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