Comments on: JAGS TRADE PARTIALLY VINDICATES VIKINGS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:52:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21842 Henry Plainview Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:22:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21842 hey kotite, focus your hate on Leonard Little. hey kotite, focus your hate on Leonard Little.

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]]> By: joe.attaboy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21805 joe.attaboy Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:52:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21805 Someone needs to explain to me, as I've heard over and over again, how Jacksonville gave anything up in the first round: <i>To get Harvey, the Jags invested a first-round pick and two third-rounders. And a fourth-rounder.</i> They didn't "invest" anything from the first round. They were sitting at 26, and the Ravens were at 8. They gave the Ravens two thirds and a fourth, and <i>swapped first round picks</i>. Besides, how is moving from 26 to 8 in the first round "giving up" anything? I seem to recall in 1998, Jacksonville made a similar move by trading Rob Johnson to Buffalo for the ninth pick. They wound up with Fred Taylor. Wouldn't one say that moving <i>up</i> to get Harvey was an upgrade over what they would have had at 26? As for trading for Allen or Jason Taylor, what would make anyone think Jack Del Rio would make either move? He's done nothing but build for the future, picking up some real jars on the shelf along the way, especially defensively. They've busted on a couple of wide outs, and the Leftwich thing never worked. But the risks he has taken with some players have worked well, and is the reason this team will contend again this year. And he also hasn't broken the bank to do it. Allen and Taylor want big money, Allen has issues, and Taylor is 33. If Allen was so valuable, why are the Chiefs so willing to let him go? This Jaguar fan is happy. Give me the young kid. Someone needs to explain to me, as I’ve heard over and over again, how Jacksonville gave anything up in the first round:

To get Harvey, the Jags invested a first-round pick and two third-rounders. And a fourth-rounder.

They didn’t “invest” anything from the first round. They were sitting at 26, and the Ravens were at 8. They gave the Ravens two thirds and a fourth, and swapped first round picks.

Besides, how is moving from 26 to 8 in the first round “giving up” anything? I seem to recall in 1998, Jacksonville made a similar move by trading Rob Johnson to Buffalo for the ninth pick. They wound up with Fred Taylor. Wouldn’t one say that moving up to get Harvey was an upgrade over what they would have had at 26?

As for trading for Allen or Jason Taylor, what would make anyone think Jack Del Rio would make either move? He’s done nothing but build for the future, picking up some real jars on the shelf along the way, especially defensively. They’ve busted on a couple of wide outs, and the Leftwich thing never worked.

But the risks he has taken with some players have worked well, and is the reason this team will contend again this year.

And he also hasn’t broken the bank to do it. Allen and Taylor want big money, Allen has issues, and Taylor is 33. If Allen was so valuable, why are the Chiefs so willing to let him go?

This Jaguar fan is happy. Give me the young kid.

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]]> By: argo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21675 argo Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21675 Kotite - geeze lighten up. Are you a Jets fan? Kotite - geeze lighten up. Are you a Jets fan?

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21588 Kotite Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:55:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21588 If Vegas set odds on whether or not a player would get suspended, Jared Allen would see a lot of action. He cannot screw up at all in Minnesota. That Defense was ferocious last year and dropped a turd at Safety only to replace him with a "sexier" and more productive turd at DE. On the field this is a fantastic move, but I'd like to see all these band wagon jumpers back up Allen if his next DUI killed someone. It's a serious offense that gets brushed under the carpet as typical immature behavior. My hope is that he truly has turned his life around and satisfies his new contract without incident, but I'm really skeptical. If Vegas set odds on whether or not a player would get suspended, Jared Allen would see a lot of action. He cannot screw up at all in Minnesota. That Defense was ferocious last year and dropped a turd at Safety only to replace him with a “sexier” and more productive turd at DE. On the field this is a fantastic move, but I’d like to see all these band wagon jumpers back up Allen if his next DUI killed someone. It’s a serious offense that gets brushed under the carpet as typical immature behavior. My hope is that he truly has turned his life around and satisfies his new contract without incident, but I’m really skeptical.

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]]> By: argo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21577 argo Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:13:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21577 The love boat squad is long gone. As is the coaching regime who was in place when it happened. A few of them are now with the JAGS, ironically. Yeah, those Vikings are a rowdy bunch. Can I remind you that your (JAX) two head coaches are former Vikings. What people fail to see is that Allen was not kicked out of KC. In fact, he is loved by his team-mates and fans, and everyone close to him said they saw a complete transformation prior to last year, which led to him being the sack-leader. They said he was the best player on the team and hate Carl Peterson for letting him go. The draft is a huge gamble. Harvey has zero NFL sacks. Allen had 15.5 and didn't even play the entire season. Good luck to both The love boat squad is long gone. As is the coaching regime who was in place when it happened. A few of them are now with the JAGS, ironically. Yeah, those Vikings are a rowdy bunch. Can I remind you that your (JAX) two head coaches are former Vikings.

What people fail to see is that Allen was not kicked out of KC. In fact, he is loved by his team-mates and fans, and everyone close to him said they saw a complete transformation prior to last year, which led to him being the sack-leader. They said he was the best player on the team and hate Carl Peterson for letting him go.

The draft is a huge gamble. Harvey has zero NFL sacks. Allen had 15.5 and didn’t even play the entire season.

Good luck to both

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]]> By: Lost http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21566 Lost Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:43:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21566 Yesterday's draft only confirmed there were three top Defensive Ends available. And now Jacksonville has one of them. Some teams have decided to try find an impact player in the lower rounds. Good luck with that. Yesterday’s draft only confirmed there were three top Defensive Ends available. And now Jacksonville has one of them. Some teams have decided to try find an impact player in the lower rounds. Good luck with that.

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]]> By: ron32082 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21504 ron32082 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:59:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21504 Harvey has zero DUI's (as of this blog) but don't worry......Brian Williams and the like will show him around..... One thing about these jag's, they like to drink, party, drive fast and cuss out the local cops.... Harvey has zero DUI’s (as of this blog) but don’t worry……Brian Williams and the like will show him around…..

One thing about these jag’s, they like to drink, party, drive fast and cuss out the local cops….

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]]> By: SirSuperSouthern http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21419 SirSuperSouthern Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:01:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21419 I'm no Jags fan, but I L O V E this move by them. Derrick Harvey has a knack for getting behind the line of scrimmage on every play, he's an attack dog - thoroughbred. He had 11 sacks in 5 games as a sophomore and 18.5 as a full-time starter his Jr season... in the SEC. If that doesn't make your eyes bug, I'd have to call you an Offensive fanboy. I expected Harvey to go in the top ten, but I didn't see Jacksonville moving all the way up to 8 for him. They run a HIGHLY efficient ball-control offense, and used all their picks on D. They're in the AFC South, the toughest division is the NFL, and I think they may actually have an honest shot a dethroning the Colts this year. My Texans still have no hope (yet). My initial opinion is that the Jags made a VERY good choice by moving up for Harvey, and its scary to think they'll be better than they were last year... I’m no Jags fan, but I L O V E this move by them. Derrick Harvey has a knack for getting behind the line of scrimmage on every play, he’s an attack dog - thoroughbred. He had 11 sacks in 5 games as a sophomore and 18.5 as a full-time starter his Jr season… in the SEC. If that doesn’t make your eyes bug, I’d have to call you an Offensive fanboy.

I expected Harvey to go in the top ten, but I didn’t see Jacksonville moving all the way up to 8 for him. They run a HIGHLY efficient ball-control offense, and used all their picks on D. They’re in the AFC South, the toughest division is the NFL, and I think they may actually have an honest shot a dethroning the Colts this year. My Texans still have no hope (yet).

My initial opinion is that the Jags made a VERY good choice by moving up for Harvey, and its scary to think they’ll be better than they were last year…

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]]> By: Satanic Hell Creature http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21407 Satanic Hell Creature Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:35:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21407 Allen may have proven himself to be a "turd" in the past, but he's proven himself to be a great NFL player and so far has turned his life around, been clean for over 18 months. But, to most people that didn't get Allen on their favorite team, he doesn't deserve the chance to better himself, and most seem to hope he fails. And Jacksonville has given up about the same to be able to draft a guy that hasn't even proven he can play a down in the NFL. Allen may have proven himself to be a “turd” in the past, but he’s proven himself to be a great NFL player and so far has turned his life around, been clean for over 18 months. But, to most people that didn’t get Allen on their favorite team, he doesn’t deserve the chance to better himself, and most seem to hope he fails. And Jacksonville has given up about the same to be able to draft a guy that hasn’t even proven he can play a down in the NFL.

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]]> By: Toonces51 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21362 Toonces51 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:24:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21362 Yeah, the Vikings sure are a rowdy bunch, due to an incident from several years ago. Most of the participants being guys who are gone, too. As long as Allen doesn't hang out with McKinnie, there weill hopefully be no issues. Yeah, the Vikings sure are a rowdy bunch, due to an incident from several years ago. Most of the participants being guys who are gone, too.

As long as Allen doesn’t hang out with McKinnie, there weill hopefully be no issues.

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21346 Kotite Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:43:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21346 Del Rio is on record on this topic. His concern is bringing in a guy and making him the highest paid guy in the locker room and the message it sends. He stops short of specificallingy challenging character. Jared Allen is a proven stud, but he's reminiscient of Mark Gastineau in his off the field life. Del Rio is not about to bring a two-time offender into his locker room. That mullet in Jacksonville would be an aphrodisiac all beach season and he'd be a lock to get suspended for some nefarious deed. Instead, he postures that he won't put all his eggs in one basket and trades up to draft the two DEs they wanted. I drank four gallons of water today just to salute such an aggressive draft strategy. Del Rio is on record on this topic. His concern is bringing in a guy and making him the highest paid guy in the locker room and the message it sends. He stops short of specificallingy challenging character. Jared Allen is a proven stud, but he’s reminiscient of Mark Gastineau in his off the field life. Del Rio is not about to bring a two-time offender into his locker room. That mullet in Jacksonville would be an aphrodisiac all beach season and he’d be a lock to get suspended for some nefarious deed. Instead, he postures that he won’t put all his eggs in one basket and trades up to draft the two DEs they wanted. I drank four gallons of water today just to salute such an aggressive draft strategy.

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21332 samh Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:21:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21332 The Jaguars give overall fewer draft-points AND less money to a guy who so far hasn't shown himself to be a turd, and you think the Vikings are vindicated? They had extra picks and they used 'em. Harvey was one of the few bright spots on a bad/young defense last year and also a beast on a great defense the year before, and he shone in the BCS title game. He's not any more unknown than any other draft pick. Why didn't New England go get a free agent linebacker? Why didn't Miami go out and get a Free Agent offensive lineman? The Jaguars give overall fewer draft-points AND less money to a guy who so far hasn’t shown himself to be a turd, and you think the Vikings are vindicated? They had extra picks and they used ‘em. Harvey was one of the few bright spots on a bad/young defense last year and also a beast on a great defense the year before, and he shone in the BCS title game. He’s not any more unknown than any other draft pick. Why didn’t New England go get a free agent linebacker? Why didn’t Miami go out and get a Free Agent offensive lineman?

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]]> By: williamsbros http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21301 williamsbros Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:18:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21301 This a good point, they basically gave up the same amount in terms of picks, and to get a totall unproven guy. Then they take another DE in Groves with their next pick. If they needed DE's that bad why not get the proven guy. Also shows the Vikes did not give up too much for Allen. This a good point, they basically gave up the same amount in terms of picks, and to get a totall unproven guy. Then they take another DE in Groves with their next pick. If they needed DE’s that bad why not get the proven guy.

Also shows the Vikes did not give up too much for Allen.

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]]> By: KramersPalLomez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21298 KramersPalLomez Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:03:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21298 KC probably didn't want to trade Allen to another AFC team. But it's worth asking: how many DUIs does Harvey have? KC probably didn’t want to trade Allen to another AFC team. But it’s worth asking: how many DUIs does Harvey have?

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]]> By: Tom http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21287 Tom Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:38:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21287 The Chiefs didn't want to deal Allen within the AFC (or at least they would have charged a heckuva lot more). So there is that reasoning. (Someone on Sports Illustrated wrote that point, don banks maybe) The Chiefs didn’t want to deal Allen within the AFC (or at least they would have charged a heckuva lot more).

So there is that reasoning. (Someone on Sports Illustrated wrote that point, don banks maybe)

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]]> By: JaguarsSunday http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21286 JaguarsSunday Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:37:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/27/jags-trade-partially-vindicates-vikings/#comment-21286 I think "Partially" is the key word here. There is a major difference in the amount of money invested, and the upside is definitely also with the Jaguars. Allen is tremendous, but going to a rowdy bunch like the Vikings (ie Love Boat) I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall off the wagon once again... I think “Partially” is the key word here. There is a major difference in the amount of money invested, and the upside is definitely also with the Jaguars. Allen is tremendous, but going to a rowdy bunch like the Vikings (ie Love Boat) I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall off the wagon once again…

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