Comments on: TEAMS LEERY OF USC PLAYERS? http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:38:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: kokonutt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-26615 kokonutt Fri, 09 May 2008 01:40:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-26615 Here...check this site out...http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.html Here…check this site out…http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.html

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]]> By: bubba http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20515 bubba Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:10:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20515 Philly Sucks. Patterson could not beat my Granma off the line. Philly Sucks. Patterson could not beat my Granma off the line.

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]]> By: Dirty_Waters http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20500 Dirty_Waters Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:53:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20500 Are 90% of the members of this site Eagles fans? I am, and I'll be the 1st to say Winston Justice is a bust. Last year wasn't his rookie year, it was his 2nd. So its been two years and the only thing anybody can remember him doing is giving up 6 sacks in one game. So far he has been a huge bust, but I wouldn't completely write him off. He has talent and a positive attitude. Are 90% of the members of this site Eagles fans? I am, and I’ll be the 1st to say Winston Justice is a bust. Last year wasn’t his rookie year, it was his 2nd. So its been two years and the only thing anybody can remember him doing is giving up 6 sacks in one game.

So far he has been a huge bust, but I wouldn’t completely write him off. He has talent and a positive attitude.

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]]> By: straightdick http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20359 straightdick Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:37:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20359 Lemme join the pile on---Patterson was an alteranate for the Pro Bowl. Lemme join the pile on—Patterson was an alteranate for the Pro Bowl.

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]]> By: SkinsFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20347 SkinsFan Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:31:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20347 I challenge any body to look at percentage of players that successfully transitioned to the NFL from college vs "busts" for schools that have sent at least 10 players to the NFL over the last 5 years. You will find that USC is at or near the top. I'm not going to rehash what everybody has already said here about the players labeled "bust" in this article, but I will direct you to look at Sedrick Ellis and Keith Rivers who are a given to be drafted in the top half of the first round! Is there any other school with two players rated that high? So, I don't really understand basis behind saying teams are shying away from USC players or the comments on here suggesting USC players are overrated. That being said I do agree with the assessment that some of USC players are more into the fame (and money) than football. But that runs true all over the country. That is why there are so many busts, because once they make it, they lose the drive that got them there because it was never about football. Also, the biggest problem with USC players transitioning to the NFL (in my opinion) is they have had to many players leave early before they were ready and although they had the talent it stunted their growth (but the reason they left early goes back to being more interested in money and fame than football). I challenge any body to look at percentage of players that successfully transitioned to the NFL from college vs “busts” for schools that have sent at least 10 players to the NFL over the last 5 years. You will find that USC is at or near the top. I’m not going to rehash what everybody has already said here about the players labeled “bust” in this article, but I will direct you to look at Sedrick Ellis and Keith Rivers who are a given to be drafted in the top half of the first round! Is there any other school with two players rated that high? So, I don’t really understand basis behind saying teams are shying away from USC players or the comments on here suggesting USC players are overrated.

That being said I do agree with the assessment that some of USC players are more into the fame (and money) than football. But that runs true all over the country. That is why there are so many busts, because once they make it, they lose the drive that got them there because it was never about football. Also, the biggest problem with USC players transitioning to the NFL (in my opinion) is they have had to many players leave early before they were ready and although they had the talent it stunted their growth (but the reason they left early goes back to being more interested in money and fame than football).

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]]> By: kokothemonkey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20247 kokothemonkey Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:20:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20247 im fine with calling justice a bust. "analysts" had him in the top 10, possibly no. 9 to the cards. he fell to the 2nd. osi tore him a new one, and he didnt play very well against the bills at the end of the season. the dudes confidence is probably shot. but florio, you still need to change what you said about patterson. hes not just a guy whos not a full-blown bust. as someone else said, hes closer to a pro bowler than that. hes better at what he does than justin fargas, who you listed as solid. i still get the point of the article though. after playing against pac 10 teams(particularly their defenses), USC players struggle in the NFL. but i dont think its as much of a problem on defense, which is why i think keith rivers and sedrick ellis will both be players. im fine with calling justice a bust. “analysts” had him in the top 10, possibly no. 9 to the cards. he fell to the 2nd. osi tore him a new one, and he didnt play very well against the bills at the end of the season. the dudes confidence is probably shot.

but florio, you still need to change what you said about patterson. hes not just a guy whos not a full-blown bust. as someone else said, hes closer to a pro bowler than that. hes better at what he does than justin fargas, who you listed as solid.

i still get the point of the article though. after playing against pac 10 teams(particularly their defenses), USC players struggle in the NFL. but i dont think its as much of a problem on defense, which is why i think keith rivers and sedrick ellis will both be players.

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20230 maddenchamp610 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:42:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20230 woop woop//get us eagles fans nuts and look what happens. Just wait until saturday night, everyone better hope we swing a wr trade or else dallas and washington dont or it will be full blown chaos on every eagles related post or maybe even all posts! woop woop//get us eagles fans nuts and look what happens. Just wait until saturday night, everyone better hope we swing a wr trade or else dallas and washington dont or it will be full blown chaos on every eagles related post or maybe even all posts!

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]]> By: simpleton http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20229 simpleton Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:04:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20229 How many trophies has Patterson helped the Eagles add to their trophy case? Oh yeah, the Eagles don't have a trophy case yet. How many trophies has Patterson helped the Eagles add to their trophy case?

Oh yeah, the Eagles don’t have a trophy case yet.

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]]> By: MikeNice http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20217 MikeNice Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:40:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20217 Mike Patterson is not a bust. That is BS. Do you know what you are talking about? Mike Patterson is not a bust. That is BS. Do you know what you are talking about?

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20211 brian_21 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:08:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20211 I disagree with Florio's assessment here. Even given the designation of "bust," there is still a huuuuuge percentage of players that are successful from that program. I disagree with Florio’s assessment here. Even given the designation of “bust,” there is still a huuuuuge percentage of players that are successful from that program.

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]]> By: Marjax http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20206 Marjax Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:05:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20206 You guys are missing the point. I think there's been a trend to recognize someone from USC as being better than he actually is. There's a few exceptions to this, but I think a player may get overrated based on coming from Pete Carroll's team. And I think he raises the valid point of wanting all that comes from being famous without having the desire to put in the work required to STAY famous. Leinart's comments regarding this past season's QB situation with Kurt Warner made it seem like he didn't care he wasn't always going to be leading the offense. LenWhale's weight problem shows he's probably only going to do just enough to be serviceable in this league. Again, not everyone's going to have these work ethic problems, and there is still a high chance that top rated players from USC (like Sedrick Ellis, and probably Keith Rivers) are going to be productive in the NFL -- just like top rated players from any other major program have a high chance of being productive in the NFL. But some of those top talents that slipped in the draft, or some of those mid-round talents, they may be overhyped because of their coming from USC. We'll see if Sam Baker has a game just like Winston Justice had. He was projected as a first round talent, mentioned in the same breath as Jake Long at the beginning of this past football season. And now, he'll be a mid to late 2nd round pick. You guys are missing the point. I think there’s been a trend to recognize someone from USC as being better than he actually is. There’s a few exceptions to this, but I think a player may get overrated based on coming from Pete Carroll’s team.

And I think he raises the valid point of wanting all that comes from being famous without having the desire to put in the work required to STAY famous. Leinart’s comments regarding this past season’s QB situation with Kurt Warner made it seem like he didn’t care he wasn’t always going to be leading the offense. LenWhale’s weight problem shows he’s probably only going to do just enough to be serviceable in this league.

Again, not everyone’s going to have these work ethic problems, and there is still a high chance that top rated players from USC (like Sedrick Ellis, and probably Keith Rivers) are going to be productive in the NFL — just like top rated players from any other major program have a high chance of being productive in the NFL.

But some of those top talents that slipped in the draft, or some of those mid-round talents, they may be overhyped because of their coming from USC.

We’ll see if Sam Baker has a game just like Winston Justice had. He was projected as a first round talent, mentioned in the same breath as Jake Long at the beginning of this past football season. And now, he’ll be a mid to late 2nd round pick.

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]]> By: bgman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20198 bgman Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:31:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20198 OK, I get it. Mike Patterson is a solid NFL player and shouldn't be listed in the bust category. Eagles fans pull the panties out of your crack and read this post as for what it is. For a college powerhouse and NFL feeder program, USC players wash out of the league at a lot higher rate than other major programs. A one theory that I can buy is many of these five star HS athletes who get offers to every major college program choose USC because they like the laid back party atmosphere of Los Angeles. As a result some, but not all, are motivated not by the desire to succeed in football, but to live the life. That may work out when you play college football, where your natural talent can carry you, but it's a sure way to fail or underperform in the NFL. That's not to say NFL teams should stay away from guys from USC. They just better do their job in determining if the guy really wants to play professional football, or if he just wants to be the NFL player with a big wad a of cash in his pocket that everyone sees partying at the local clubs. OK, I get it. Mike Patterson is a solid NFL player and shouldn’t be listed in the bust category. Eagles fans pull the panties out of your crack and read this post as for what it is.

For a college powerhouse and NFL feeder program, USC players wash out of the league at a lot higher rate than other major programs. A one theory that I can buy is many of these five star HS athletes who get offers to every major college program choose USC because they like the laid back party atmosphere of Los Angeles.

As a result some, but not all, are motivated not by the desire to succeed in football, but to live the life. That may work out when you play college football, where your natural talent can carry you, but it’s a sure way to fail or underperform in the NFL.

That’s not to say NFL teams should stay away from guys from USC. They just better do their job in determining if the guy really wants to play professional football, or if he just wants to be the NFL player with a big wad a of cash in his pocket that everyone sees partying at the local clubs.

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]]> By: pakman85 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20187 pakman85 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:15:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20187 I think this article is on the right track but missed the point entirely. I don't think that the USC players are a bust because they don't give football priority, i just think they were never that good to begin with. Basically, in my opinion, they were good in college because the team was good and the system was good. The system made them appear as superstars when they were just ordinary-to-decent players. I think this article is on the right track but missed the point entirely. I don’t think that the USC players are a bust because they don’t give football priority, i just think they were never that good to begin with. Basically, in my opinion, they were good in college because the team was good and the system was good. The system made them appear as superstars when they were just ordinary-to-decent players.

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]]> By: cowboysdw28mb3 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20185 cowboysdw28mb3 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:13:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20185 hey uh josereyes0, he wasn't talking about Polamalu and Palmer, read it again, he was talking about the others. Man, everybody said the SAME THING about Patterson, we get the picture after 5 times. And haha Bubba, Jacob Rogers, man you nailed that one. What a wasted pick. hey uh josereyes0, he wasn’t talking about Polamalu and Palmer, read it again, he was talking about the others. Man, everybody said the SAME THING about Patterson, we get the picture after 5 times. And haha Bubba, Jacob Rogers, man you nailed that one. What a wasted pick.

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]]> By: MarkB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20184 MarkB Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:06:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20184 Philly fans... they think Cheeze Wiz is a delicacy. Nuff Said. Philly fans… they think Cheeze Wiz is a delicacy. Nuff Said.

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]]> By: alexy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20182 alexy Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:03:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20182 @ all the winston justice bashers: he struggled against a NYG defensive line that turned New England's offensive line into swiss cheese -- and that line boasts Matt Light, Logan Mankins etc., who are all-pro caliber players. So, the fact that winston justice got torn up by Osi proves very little in regards to whether he's a bust. Carson Palmer is not a consistent high-end talent? In four years of NFL action, he's thrown for almost 15,000 yards, with 104 TDs to 63 INTs, completing (for his career) 64.1 percent of his passes. That's not high-end? Come on. Troy Polamalu isn't high-end? The guy is all over the place in the Steelers backfield. @ all the winston justice bashers: he struggled against a NYG defensive line that turned New England’s offensive line into swiss cheese — and that line boasts Matt Light, Logan Mankins etc., who are all-pro caliber players. So, the fact that winston justice got torn up by Osi proves very little in regards to whether he’s a bust.

Carson Palmer is not a consistent high-end talent? In four years of NFL action, he’s thrown for almost 15,000 yards, with 104 TDs to 63 INTs, completing (for his career) 64.1 percent of his passes. That’s not high-end? Come on.

Troy Polamalu isn’t high-end? The guy is all over the place in the Steelers backfield.

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]]> By: BK5931 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20180 BK5931 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:02:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20180 You really can't blame Shaun Cody, he plays for the Lions. And don't forget about Matt Cassel, he is performing at the exact same level he did in college. Those Gatorade cups are fool and starting QB showered with complements. You really can’t blame Shaun Cody, he plays for the Lions. And don’t forget about Matt Cassel, he is performing at the exact same level he did in college. Those Gatorade cups are fool and starting QB showered with complements.

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20177 gibsonplyer Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:57:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20177 Average run of the mill DT that led all DT's in tackles last year? How is that average? And how does that make him a bust? Justice maybe but he's only had one start hard to judge after that. Now I don't trust him in the least at LT. He may be able to take over at RT although that's no guarantee. Also proclaiming players busts after their rookies seasons borders on sheer stupidity. Jarrett doesn't look like the smartest player right now but a bust after 1 year is WAY too soon. You're also ignoring other players that have been drafted and produced. Average run of the mill DT that led all DT’s in tackles last year? How is that average? And how does that make him a bust?

Justice maybe but he’s only had one start hard to judge after that. Now I don’t trust him in the least at LT. He may be able to take over at RT although that’s no guarantee.

Also proclaiming players busts after their rookies seasons borders on sheer stupidity. Jarrett doesn’t look like the smartest player right now but a bust after 1 year is WAY too soon. You’re also ignoring other players that have been drafted and produced.

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]]> By: josereyes0 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20172 josereyes0 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:49:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20172 This is probably the most inaccurate post I've ever seen you write Mike. Troy Polamalu has won a Super Bowl. Carson Palmer has been very productive and has only been inconsistent since his knee injury in the playoffs, and most of that was due to poor offensive line play. It's also just way too early to call these players busts. USC was rated the top NFL Football Factory by NFL Network, and sure they may be hungry for fame, but ultimately in order to get there you have to play top notch football at the pro level. This is probably the most inaccurate post I’ve ever seen you write Mike. Troy Polamalu has won a Super Bowl. Carson Palmer has been very productive and has only been inconsistent since his knee injury in the playoffs, and most of that was due to poor offensive line play. It’s also just way too early to call these players busts. USC was rated the top NFL Football Factory by NFL Network, and sure they may be hungry for fame, but ultimately in order to get there you have to play top notch football at the pro level.

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]]> By: SirSuperSouthern http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20171 SirSuperSouthern Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:49:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20171 Haha, Florio can be such a trollop at times! Here's the deal: USC produces lots and lots of pro football players. Its common sense that a high percentage of them will be washouts because of the nature of the NFL. Its not USC's fault they send so many guys to the league! Regardless, I'd make it a point to draft USC DT Sedrick Ellis. I saw his Combine workout and would frankly rather be hit by my 3-Series BMW than tackled by that hoss. The shortest distance between two points is still a straight line, last I checked. And having a guy like Ellis blow-up the middle and draw double-teams inside on every play is what you want. All that said, I hope Lienart and Bush flop like fat kids a public swimming pools. I hate Bush because he's a dirty cheater and Lienart because he's better looking than me and gets way more chicks (yeah, I said it). Also, if the Texans snag Kieth Rivers at the 18 spot (unlikely, but possible) I'd be pretty stoked. Haha, Florio can be such a trollop at times! Here’s the deal: USC produces lots and lots of pro football players. Its common sense that a high percentage of them will be washouts because of the nature of the NFL. Its not USC’s fault they send so many guys to the league!

Regardless, I’d make it a point to draft USC DT Sedrick Ellis. I saw his Combine workout and would frankly rather be hit by my 3-Series BMW than tackled by that hoss. The shortest distance between two points is still a straight line, last I checked. And having a guy like Ellis blow-up the middle and draw double-teams inside on every play is what you want.

All that said, I hope Lienart and Bush flop like fat kids a public swimming pools. I hate Bush because he’s a dirty cheater and Lienart because he’s better looking than me and gets way more chicks (yeah, I said it). Also, if the Texans snag Kieth Rivers at the 18 spot (unlikely, but possible) I’d be pretty stoked.

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20170 tarrant84 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:49:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20170 RJ-- Philly fans are harder on their own then anyone else. Philly tried to run DONOVAN MCNABB out of town! RJ–

Philly fans are harder on their own then anyone else.

Philly tried to run DONOVAN MCNABB out of town!

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]]> By: RJ Carrano http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20168 RJ Carrano Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:43:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20168 Open your eyes people. Patterson is nothing more than an average, run of the mill DT. He's nothing special. Serviceable at best. Eagles fans need to stop being such "rah-rahs" and see what Florio is saying without somehow feeling like someone kicked their dog. Get over yourselves.... Open your eyes people. Patterson is nothing more than an average, run of the mill DT. He’s nothing special. Serviceable at best. Eagles fans need to stop being such “rah-rahs” and see what Florio is saying without somehow feeling like someone kicked their dog. Get over yourselves….

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]]> By: dogg91702 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20166 dogg91702 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:42:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20166 Dwayne Jarret has been in the league 1 year the average for WR's to break in the league is 3 years. Also what about Steve Smith wide reciever for the Giants who played a big part in their superbowl win. You didn't mention Ryan Kalil who is slated to be the starting center for the Carolina Panthers or Duece Lutui who is the starting guard for the Arizona Cardinals. So if your gonna mention busts make sure you do your research and talk about all the USC players from Pete's era. P.S. If Executives think USC players don't have the heart to play in the NFL why are Sedrick Ellis and Keith Rivers being slated as top 15 picks? Dwayne Jarret has been in the league 1 year the average for WR’s to break in the league is 3 years.

Also what about Steve Smith wide reciever for the Giants who played a big part in their superbowl win.

You didn’t mention Ryan Kalil who is slated to be the starting center for the Carolina Panthers or Duece Lutui who is the starting guard for the Arizona Cardinals.

So if your gonna mention busts make sure you do your research and talk about all the USC players from Pete’s era.

P.S. If Executives think USC players don’t have the heart to play in the NFL why are Sedrick Ellis and Keith Rivers being slated as top 15 picks?

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]]> By: thestan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20165 thestan Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:41:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20165 Was going to comment on your harsh call of patterson being a bust- but after reading the 37 comments about how you were wrong - no need. Winston Justice - quite possibly, but Patterson - no way - Was going to comment on your harsh call of patterson being a bust- but after reading the 37 comments about how you were wrong - no need.

Winston Justice - quite possibly, but Patterson - no way -

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]]> By: Manthus http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20163 Manthus Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:40:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20163 Based on only one season, at least Steve Smith looks like a keeper. Based on only one season, at least Steve Smith looks like a keeper.

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]]> By: bubba http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20162 bubba Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:37:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20162 Also, It's easy to trash Killadelpia. So keep it up Flo Jo-unior Also, It’s easy to trash Killadelpia. So keep it up Flo Jo-unior

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]]> By: DawkPlex http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20160 DawkPlex Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:33:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20160 Hahaha, Mike Patterson is a bust my ass. Winston Justice though - thye should cut him. They'll never play him again. Hahaha, Mike Patterson is a bust my ass.

Winston Justice though - thye should cut him. They’ll never play him again.

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20159 tarrant84 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:32:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20159 Oh c'mon Mike... He was CHARGED with a violation. He wasn't convicted. You know as well as I do, getting "charged" with something doesn't mean you're guilty. Also, assuming arguendo he was guilty, that's like saying Jared Allen was a bust. Sure, Allen has character issues, but he's an outstanding player. Patterson has been a great player, but he was charged (not convicted) of something stupid. Oh c’mon Mike…

He was CHARGED with a violation. He wasn’t convicted. You know as well as I do, getting “charged” with something doesn’t mean you’re guilty.

Also, assuming arguendo he was guilty, that’s like saying Jared Allen was a bust. Sure, Allen has character issues, but he’s an outstanding player. Patterson has been a great player, but he was charged (not convicted) of something stupid.

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]]> By: arosen36 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20157 arosen36 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:30:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20157 other philadelphia busts, according to these geniuses on PFT, lito, westbrook, mcnabb, bunkley, dawkins, andrews, tra william tra thomas, omar gaither(what a reach in the sixth round), sheldon brown, any more im forgetting? other philadelphia busts, according to these geniuses on PFT, lito, westbrook, mcnabb, bunkley, dawkins, andrews, tra william tra thomas, omar gaither(what a reach in the sixth round), sheldon brown, any more im forgetting?

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]]> By: bubba http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20156 bubba Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:29:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20156 Don't forget 2nd round Jacob Rogers For Dallas. He just could not get his fupa out of his own way. Don’t forget 2nd round Jacob Rogers For Dallas. He just could not get his fupa out of his own way.

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20153 tarrant84 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:28:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20153 I understand calling Wintston Justice a bust. He was a 2nd round pick (projected to go in the 1st) who turned into a revolving door when up against Osi. Philadelphia expected WAY more out of Winston Justice. Sure, LT is NOT is position, but that was PATHETIC. Calling him a bust is premature... but definitely not unfair. But Patterson? Dude lead the league in tackles for DTs. He ad over a hundred tackles for an interior lineman last year! He's closer to a Pro Bowler then a bust. If Philadelphia likes a guy, he's pretty good. I understand calling Wintston Justice a bust. He was a 2nd round pick (projected to go in the 1st) who turned into a revolving door when up against Osi. Philadelphia expected WAY more out of Winston Justice. Sure, LT is NOT is position, but that was PATHETIC. Calling him a bust is premature… but definitely not unfair.

But Patterson? Dude lead the league in tackles for DTs. He ad over a hundred tackles for an interior lineman last year! He’s closer to a Pro Bowler then a bust.

If Philadelphia likes a guy, he’s pretty good.

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]]> By: tblitz25 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20151 tblitz25 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:25:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20151 Clearly Patterson is not a bust He has started all 3 years in the league and has 163 tackles, 9 sacks, the longest fumble return for a touchdown in NFL history. Winston Justice had 1 bad start where even the coaching staff said he was thrown into the fire when he was matched up against one of the premire DE in the league. Not to mention he was playing Left Tackle but he was a Right Tackle in college. Yes, Mike Williams was a bust, Lendale White is definately questionable, but the other guys have not had enough time to develope yet. Clearly Patterson is not a bust He has started all 3 years in the league and has 163
tackles, 9 sacks, the longest fumble return for a touchdown in NFL history.

Winston Justice had 1 bad start where even the coaching staff said he was thrown into
the fire when he was matched up against one of the premire DE in the league. Not to
mention he was playing Left Tackle but he was a Right Tackle in college.

Yes, Mike Williams was a bust, Lendale White is definately questionable, but the other
guys have not had enough time to develope yet.

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]]> By: dawkinseffect http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20150 dawkinseffect Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:25:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20150 Last time I checked Mike Patterson Lead all DT in tackles last season. He averages 54 tackles a season...how is that a bust? just because he averages 3 sacks a season makes him a bust?? you my friend are nuts. If you think Patterson is a bust, I got some swamp land in florida that I think you should take a look at Last time I checked Mike Patterson Lead all DT in tackles last season. He averages 54 tackles a season…how is that a bust? just because he averages 3 sacks a season makes him a bust?? you my friend are nuts. If you think Patterson is a bust, I got some swamp land in florida that I think you should take a look at

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]]> By: pjhurley http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20149 pjhurley Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:23:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20149 I agree that judging Winston Justice this early is very premature, but would also agree that based on his performance against NYG it'd be pretty accurate based on his body of work. However, saying Mike Patterson is a bust is completely ridiculous and unfounded...he's a starter and plays at a pretty high level. You're lumping him in with guys who don't play for their teams, or play and absolutely suck...what's up with the hate for Patterson? I agree that judging Winston Justice this early is very premature, but would also agree that based on his performance against NYG it’d be pretty accurate based on his body of work. However, saying Mike Patterson is a bust is completely ridiculous and unfounded…he’s a starter and plays at a pretty high level. You’re lumping him in with guys who don’t play for their teams, or play and absolutely suck…what’s up with the hate for Patterson?

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]]> By: B-dawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20148 B-dawk Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:22:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20148 I think to include Patterson to that list is way off the mark. Patterson played very well last year and has improved every season. As far as Justice is concerned, the jury is still out but he didn't look very good in the time he has played. I agree with the Bush comment, considering he was all the hype of that draft, he's been mediocre at best. I think to include Patterson to that list is way off the mark. Patterson played very well last year and has improved every season. As far as Justice is concerned, the jury is still out but he didn’t look very good in the time he has played.
I agree with the Bush comment, considering he was all the hype of that draft, he’s been mediocre at best.

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]]> By: sjt2115 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20147 sjt2115 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:20:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20147 Harsh to put the "bust" label on a player like Bing. He was only a fourth round pick, and he's missed entire seasons with a neck injury. Harsh to put the “bust” label on a player like Bing. He was only a fourth round pick, and he’s missed entire seasons with a neck injury.

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]]> By: danpfeiffer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20146 danpfeiffer Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:19:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20146 how'd winston justice do against osi in week 4? oh, right how’d winston justice do against osi in week 4?

oh, right

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]]> By: Bren1208 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20144 Bren1208 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:18:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20144 Mike Patterson a bust???? An idiot yeah, a pothead yeah, but FAR from a bust. Show the Eagles some love I said! Mike Patterson a bust???? An idiot yeah, a pothead yeah, but FAR from a bust. Show the Eagles some love I said!

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]]> By: yesyesyall http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20143 yesyesyall Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:18:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20143 Patterson had a solid season last year. Didn't he have the most tackles of any DT last year? Patterson had a solid season last year. Didn’t he have the most tackles of any DT last year?

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20142 tarrant84 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:17:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20142 And Florio, look at the Eagles run defense pre-Patterson / Bunkley and post Patterson and Bunkley. The Eagles went from a team that couldn't stop Reggie Bush to a team that shut down Adrian Peterson. Pat and Bunk are MAJOR contributors to that. And Florio, look at the Eagles run defense pre-Patterson / Bunkley and post Patterson and Bunkley.

The Eagles went from a team that couldn’t stop Reggie Bush to a team that shut down Adrian Peterson. Pat and Bunk are MAJOR contributors to that.

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]]> By: jared360 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20141 jared360 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:17:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20141 I love this website but calling MIKE PATTERSON a bust is honestly the most ridiculous thing Ive EVER heard on this site. Thats just blatant disrepect to Philly fans, who are alot of your fanbase. I love this website but calling MIKE PATTERSON a bust is honestly the most ridiculous thing Ive EVER heard on this site. Thats just blatant disrepect to Philly fans, who are alot of your fanbase.

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]]> By: 4thebirds http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20140 4thebirds Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:15:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20140 your being really harsh to call some of these players busts...some are in their 2nd years some just going into their 3rd and some are just down right productive. stupid lists of busts, and relative to other schools ( and i dont like usc) they do pretty well. your being really harsh to call some of these players busts…some are in their 2nd years some just going into their 3rd and some are just down right productive. stupid lists of busts, and relative to other schools ( and i dont like usc) they do pretty well.

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]]> By: tarrant84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20139 tarrant84 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:15:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20139 Florio, I love you to death man... but Mike Patterson a bust?!?!? He's a starting DT in a 4-3. Patterson and Bunkley are slowly becoming two of the best DTs in the NFC. A bust?!? C'mon now. Philadelphia is VERY happy with Mike Patterson. Florio,

I love you to death man… but Mike Patterson a bust?!?!? He’s a starting DT in a 4-3. Patterson and Bunkley are slowly becoming two of the best DTs in the NFC. A bust?!? C’mon now. Philadelphia is VERY happy with Mike Patterson.

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]]> By: Espozita http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20138 Espozita Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:11:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20138 Again trashing the Eagles unnecessarily. Calling Patterson & Justice busts is premature as hell. Again trashing the Eagles unnecessarily.

Calling Patterson & Justice busts is premature as hell.

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]]> By: alamedaman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20137 alamedaman Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:10:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/24/teams-leery-of-usc-players/#comment-20137 Lenwhale is doing pretty well in the league, I certainly wouldn't label him a bust like Darnell Bing or the rest. Lenwhale is doing pretty well in the league, I certainly wouldn’t label him a bust like Darnell Bing or the rest.

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