There’s a growing sense in some league circles that incoming players from the University of Southern California merit extra scrutiny during the endless buildup to the draft.
The concern is that too many of the players who emerge from the Trojan program love the SoCal lifestyle more than they love football.
Though it’s always dangerous to generalize (but what the hell, we’ll do it anyway), there have been a surprising number of busts to emerge from Pete Carroll’s no-pay (by the school) paradise.
In 2003, the Trojans sent a trio of solid players into the league: Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, and Justin Fargas. Since then, however, the only guy who has proven to be a consistent high-end talent is linebacker Lofa Tatupu. The growing parade of busts includes Keary Colbert, Shaun Cody, Mike Patterson, Mike Williams, Darnell Bing, Dominique Byrd, Frostee Rucker, Winston Justice, Reggie Bush (relative to his draft status and hype), and Dwayne Jarrett.
UPDATE: Okay, maybe Patterson isn’t a full-blown bust. We were influenced by his pot charge.
As to Matt Leinart and LenDale White, the jury is still out, but might be coming back soon. There already are signs that football isn’t their top priority. Otherwise, White wouldn’t go blowfish in the offseason and Leinart would be exuding the demeanor of a guy who intends to be a starting NFL quarterback for a long time.
Every player is different, but it could be that the same thing that attracts them to play in L.A. is the same thing that makes them more attracted to the perks of being a pro athlete than to doing whatever is necessary to be the best of the best in their profession.
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April 24th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Haha, Florio can be such a trollop at times! Here’s the deal: USC produces lots and lots of pro football players. Its common sense that a high percentage of them will be washouts because of the nature of the NFL. Its not USC’s fault they send so many guys to the league!
Regardless, I’d make it a point to draft USC DT Sedrick Ellis. I saw his Combine workout and would frankly rather be hit by my 3-Series BMW than tackled by that hoss. The shortest distance between two points is still a straight line, last I checked. And having a guy like Ellis blow-up the middle and draw double-teams inside on every play is what you want.
All that said, I hope Lienart and Bush flop like fat kids a public swimming pools. I hate Bush because he’s a dirty cheater and Lienart because he’s better looking than me and gets way more chicks (yeah, I said it). Also, if the Texans snag Kieth Rivers at the 18 spot (unlikely, but possible) I’d be pretty stoked.
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April 24th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
This is probably the most inaccurate post I’ve ever seen you write Mike. Troy Polamalu has won a Super Bowl. Carson Palmer has been very productive and has only been inconsistent since his knee injury in the playoffs, and most of that was due to poor offensive line play. It’s also just way too early to call these players busts. USC was rated the top NFL Football Factory by NFL Network, and sure they may be hungry for fame, but ultimately in order to get there you have to play top notch football at the pro level.
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April 24th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Average run of the mill DT that led all DT’s in tackles last year? How is that average? And how does that make him a bust?
Justice maybe but he’s only had one start hard to judge after that. Now I don’t trust him in the least at LT. He may be able to take over at RT although that’s no guarantee.
Also proclaiming players busts after their rookies seasons borders on sheer stupidity. Jarrett doesn’t look like the smartest player right now but a bust after 1 year is WAY too soon. You’re also ignoring other players that have been drafted and produced.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
You really can’t blame Shaun Cody, he plays for the Lions. And don’t forget about Matt Cassel, he is performing at the exact same level he did in college. Those Gatorade cups are fool and starting QB showered with complements.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
@ all the winston justice bashers: he struggled against a NYG defensive line that turned New England’s offensive line into swiss cheese — and that line boasts Matt Light, Logan Mankins etc., who are all-pro caliber players. So, the fact that winston justice got torn up by Osi proves very little in regards to whether he’s a bust.
Carson Palmer is not a consistent high-end talent? In four years of NFL action, he’s thrown for almost 15,000 yards, with 104 TDs to 63 INTs, completing (for his career) 64.1 percent of his passes. That’s not high-end? Come on.
Troy Polamalu isn’t high-end? The guy is all over the place in the Steelers backfield.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Philly fans… they think Cheeze Wiz is a delicacy. Nuff Said.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
hey uh josereyes0, he wasn’t talking about Polamalu and Palmer, read it again, he was talking about the others. Man, everybody said the SAME THING about Patterson, we get the picture after 5 times. And haha Bubba, Jacob Rogers, man you nailed that one. What a wasted pick.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
I think this article is on the right track but missed the point entirely. I don’t think that the USC players are a bust because they don’t give football priority, i just think they were never that good to begin with. Basically, in my opinion, they were good in college because the team was good and the system was good. The system made them appear as superstars when they were just ordinary-to-decent players.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
OK, I get it. Mike Patterson is a solid NFL player and shouldn’t be listed in the bust category. Eagles fans pull the panties out of your crack and read this post as for what it is.
For a college powerhouse and NFL feeder program, USC players wash out of the league at a lot higher rate than other major programs. A one theory that I can buy is many of these five star HS athletes who get offers to every major college program choose USC because they like the laid back party atmosphere of Los Angeles.
As a result some, but not all, are motivated not by the desire to succeed in football, but to live the life. That may work out when you play college football, where your natural talent can carry you, but it’s a sure way to fail or underperform in the NFL.
That’s not to say NFL teams should stay away from guys from USC. They just better do their job in determining if the guy really wants to play professional football, or if he just wants to be the NFL player with a big wad a of cash in his pocket that everyone sees partying at the local clubs.
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April 25th, 2008 at 12:05 am
You guys are missing the point. I think there’s been a trend to recognize someone from USC as being better than he actually is. There’s a few exceptions to this, but I think a player may get overrated based on coming from Pete Carroll’s team.
And I think he raises the valid point of wanting all that comes from being famous without having the desire to put in the work required to STAY famous. Leinart’s comments regarding this past season’s QB situation with Kurt Warner made it seem like he didn’t care he wasn’t always going to be leading the offense. LenWhale’s weight problem shows he’s probably only going to do just enough to be serviceable in this league.
Again, not everyone’s going to have these work ethic problems, and there is still a high chance that top rated players from USC (like Sedrick Ellis, and probably Keith Rivers) are going to be productive in the NFL — just like top rated players from any other major program have a high chance of being productive in the NFL.
But some of those top talents that slipped in the draft, or some of those mid-round talents, they may be overhyped because of their coming from USC.
We’ll see if Sam Baker has a game just like Winston Justice had. He was projected as a first round talent, mentioned in the same breath as Jake Long at the beginning of this past football season. And now, he’ll be a mid to late 2nd round pick.
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April 25th, 2008 at 12:08 am
I disagree with Florio’s assessment here. Even given the designation of “bust,” there is still a huuuuuge percentage of players that are successful from that program.
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April 25th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Mike Patterson is not a bust. That is BS. Do you know what you are talking about?
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April 25th, 2008 at 3:04 am
How many trophies has Patterson helped the Eagles add to their trophy case?
Oh yeah, the Eagles don’t have a trophy case yet.
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April 25th, 2008 at 3:42 am
woop woop//get us eagles fans nuts and look what happens. Just wait until saturday night, everyone better hope we swing a wr trade or else dallas and washington dont or it will be full blown chaos on every eagles related post or maybe even all posts!
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April 25th, 2008 at 7:20 am
im fine with calling justice a bust. “analysts” had him in the top 10, possibly no. 9 to the cards. he fell to the 2nd. osi tore him a new one, and he didnt play very well against the bills at the end of the season. the dudes confidence is probably shot.
but florio, you still need to change what you said about patterson. hes not just a guy whos not a full-blown bust. as someone else said, hes closer to a pro bowler than that. hes better at what he does than justin fargas, who you listed as solid.
i still get the point of the article though. after playing against pac 10 teams(particularly their defenses), USC players struggle in the NFL. but i dont think its as much of a problem on defense, which is why i think keith rivers and sedrick ellis will both be players.
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April 25th, 2008 at 9:31 am
I challenge any body to look at percentage of players that successfully transitioned to the NFL from college vs “busts” for schools that have sent at least 10 players to the NFL over the last 5 years. You will find that USC is at or near the top. I’m not going to rehash what everybody has already said here about the players labeled “bust” in this article, but I will direct you to look at Sedrick Ellis and Keith Rivers who are a given to be drafted in the top half of the first round! Is there any other school with two players rated that high? So, I don’t really understand basis behind saying teams are shying away from USC players or the comments on here suggesting USC players are overrated.
That being said I do agree with the assessment that some of USC players are more into the fame (and money) than football. But that runs true all over the country. That is why there are so many busts, because once they make it, they lose the drive that got them there because it was never about football. Also, the biggest problem with USC players transitioning to the NFL (in my opinion) is they have had to many players leave early before they were ready and although they had the talent it stunted their growth (but the reason they left early goes back to being more interested in money and fame than football).
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April 25th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Lemme join the pile on—Patterson was an alteranate for the Pro Bowl.
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April 25th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Are 90% of the members of this site Eagles fans? I am, and I’ll be the 1st to say Winston Justice is a bust. Last year wasn’t his rookie year, it was his 2nd. So its been two years and the only thing anybody can remember him doing is giving up 6 sacks in one game.
So far he has been a huge bust, but I wouldn’t completely write him off. He has talent and a positive attitude.
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April 25th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Philly Sucks. Patterson could not beat my Granma off the line.
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Here…check this site out…http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.html
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