Comments on: MINXX SHOOTER THOUGHT PACMAN ORDERED A HIT http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:27:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19771 empty13 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:30:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19771 i suspect roger is still an honorary missourian on this one. pac doesnt trust "the man"? no one with a brain would trust "the pac". i suspect roger is still an honorary missourian on this one.

pac doesnt trust “the man”?

no one with a brain would trust “the pac”.

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]]> By: East Bay Ray http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19737 East Bay Ray Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:55:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19737 Rhode, Sock_puppet is a Giants fan. What do you expect? Rhode, Sock_puppet is a Giants fan. What do you expect?

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]]> By: mkuske http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19733 mkuske Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:49:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19733 loqitar, you have absolutely no prior relationship or association with Adam 'Pacman' Jones just as Mr. Jones has claimed about Arvin Edwards. Just a stranger passing by in a city 1949 miles from home. Based on Mr. Jones' statements to police, you now have a week to go from complete stranger to tracking down Mr. Jones' personal phone numbers in both Atlanta and Franklin, Tennessee. You then have another week to come up with the personal phone number of Christopher Davis who you also don't know or have any association with. You're on the clock. No association my ass. loqitar, you have absolutely no prior relationship or association with Adam ‘Pacman’ Jones just as Mr. Jones has claimed about Arvin Edwards. Just a stranger passing by in a city 1949 miles from home.

Based on Mr. Jones’ statements to police, you now have a week to go from complete stranger to tracking down Mr. Jones’ personal phone numbers in both Atlanta and Franklin, Tennessee. You then have another week to come up with the personal phone number of Christopher Davis who you also don’t know or have any association with.

You’re on the clock.

No association my ass.

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]]> By: Graham Baird http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19707 Graham Baird Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:14:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19707 Simply ridiculous. I'm sure Mr. Edwards is a very credible source. If this website wants to appear to be objective, you should post something in the rumor mill that outlines exactly what Pacman has been CONVICTED of. Someone would do well to ask Roger Goodell what Pacman has been convicted of and why such a conviction (if he's even been convicted of anything) justifies a full year ban from the NFL. There is a convicted cocaine trafficker toting the rock in Cleveland and an individual who is one of the faces of the NFL who was convicted of obstructing a murder prosecution and destroying evidence...I haven't even gotten to Leonard Little. Stop the ridiculousness and reinstate Pacman, please. Simply ridiculous. I’m sure Mr. Edwards is a very credible source. If this website wants to appear to be objective, you should post something in the rumor mill that outlines exactly what Pacman has been CONVICTED of. Someone would do well to ask Roger Goodell what Pacman has been convicted of and why such a conviction (if he’s even been convicted of anything) justifies a full year ban from the NFL. There is a convicted cocaine trafficker toting the rock in Cleveland and an individual who is one of the faces of the NFL who was convicted of obstructing a murder prosecution and destroying evidence…I haven’t even gotten to Leonard Little.

Stop the ridiculousness and reinstate Pacman, please.

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]]> By: Rhode http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19663 Rhode Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:26:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19663 re Sock_puppet Dude, it's not a typewriter. You don't have to press Enter at the end of the line, the computer is smart enough to know you need to go to the next line. re Sock_puppet

Dude, it’s not a typewriter. You don’t have to press Enter at the end of the line, the computer is smart enough to know you need to go to the next line.

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]]> By: spoonman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19597 spoonman Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:26:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19597 The guy has already sat out a year. My guess is that he gets 4 to 6 games suspension and he is allowed to workout at the Cowboy's facility. Pacman may be dumb, but his attorneys are not. Just because we are seeing this news now does not mean Goodell has not already seen it. Plus, one of the most powerful owners, with a history of working with "troubled" players, now holds the rights to him. He'll play during the second half of this year. The guy has already sat out a year. My guess is that he gets 4 to 6 games suspension and he is allowed to workout at the Cowboy’s facility. Pacman may be dumb, but his attorneys are not. Just because we are seeing this news now does not mean Goodell has not already seen it. Plus, one of the most powerful owners, with a history of working with “troubled” players, now holds the rights to him. He’ll play during the second half of this year.

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]]> By: Sock_Puppet http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19577 Sock_Puppet Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:50:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19577 Enough with the "Great Talent" argument. He was overrated. He has only 4 INTs in his career, 2 which were lobbed by Eli. Everyone is so quick to annoint him as a "Great Talent" when his numbers are barely average. He isn't Deion Sanders especially with him sitting out the year. Part of me wishes that he would be reinstated just so that Plax can make him his bitch twice a year like he did with Al Harris. Enough with the “Great Talent” argument. He was overrated.
He has only 4 INTs in his career, 2 which were lobbed by Eli.
Everyone is so quick to annoint him as a “Great Talent” when
his numbers are barely average. He isn’t Deion Sanders
especially with him sitting out the year. Part of me wishes
that he would be reinstated just so that Plax can make him
his bitch twice a year like he did with Al Harris.

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]]> By: ACDC84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19561 ACDC84 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:58:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19561 I believe what Pacman is doing isn't smart. How dumb can a guy be? Sincerely, Maurice Clarett I believe what Pacman is doing isn’t smart. How dumb can a guy be?

Sincerely,

Maurice Clarett

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]]> By: loqitar http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19551 loqitar Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:07:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19551 The detective's report presents the current official version of the case....Pacman talked with the person who became the shooter prior to the shooting. Pacman is a street kid who does not trust "the man" and has never treated the "authorities" as someone he has any sort of trust/respect relationship with. Everyone, press, NFL, police, club owner are treating Jones as the party "responsible" for the shooting. Then the shooter contacts him him and starts the shake down. As described, it a typical example of a mob/career criminal demanding "protection money". When Jones didn't go along to the degree desired, the ante was upped and the message was sent again by a known gang-banger/career criminal in Atlanta named Slugga, who added threats of violence. Jones paid again. Given the atmosphere and his expectation that if he didn't pay he'd take the fall, why wouldn't he pay and why would he trust the authorities and tell them what all had happened? It would amaze me if Pacman didn't see talking as "snitching", something that would bring its own risks. Ultimately, Jones, listened to his attorneys and began to talk. Contrary to the implication of the article, reports I've read say that the Commissioner was made aware of the extortion months ago. This is news to the public, not the authorities or the NFL. I have no doubt the shooter will try to shift the blame to Pacman. But, unless there is some corroboration for his version of the story it's not going to hold up. Pacman's story does have independent corroboration and includes "facts" that tend to support it. Examples, the street name of the shooter being "G", when the Jones thought the extortionist called himself "P", the money orders going to one of "P"s women, who handled money for him routinely, the phone records obtained by police showing the source of the calls, and the lack of a prior relationship between Jones and the extortionist. Pacman is obviously no angel, but that doesn't mean we get to ignore facts that are available so that we can justify the opinions we prefer to express. The detective’s report presents the current official version of the case….Pacman talked with the person who became the shooter prior to the shooting. Pacman is a street kid who does not trust “the man” and has never treated the “authorities” as someone he has any sort of trust/respect relationship with.

Everyone, press, NFL, police, club owner are treating Jones as the party “responsible” for the shooting. Then the shooter contacts him him and starts the shake down. As described, it a typical example of a mob/career criminal demanding “protection money”. When Jones didn’t go along to the degree desired, the ante was upped and the message was sent again by a known gang-banger/career criminal in Atlanta named Slugga, who added threats of violence. Jones paid again. Given the atmosphere and his expectation that if he didn’t pay he’d take the fall, why wouldn’t he pay and why would he trust the authorities and tell them what all had happened? It would amaze me if Pacman didn’t see talking as “snitching”, something that would bring its own risks.

Ultimately, Jones, listened to his attorneys and began to talk. Contrary to the implication of the article, reports I’ve read say that the Commissioner was made aware of the extortion months ago. This is news to the public, not the authorities or the NFL.

I have no doubt the shooter will try to shift the blame to Pacman. But, unless there is some corroboration for his version of the story it’s not going to hold up. Pacman’s story does have independent corroboration and includes “facts” that tend to support it. Examples, the street name of the shooter being “G”, when the Jones thought the extortionist called himself “P”, the money orders going to one of “P”s women, who handled money for him routinely, the phone records obtained by police showing the source of the calls, and the lack of a prior relationship between Jones and the extortionist.

Pacman is obviously no angel, but that doesn’t mean we get to ignore facts that are available so that we can justify the opinions we prefer to express.

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]]> By: Mini Ditka http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19533 Mini Ditka Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:14:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19533 If I am Pacman, I don't give up any of my guaranteed right to payment unless and until the Commissioner reinstates me and agrees not to subject me to suspension for anything related to the Las Vegas incident. That places the Commissioner in an awkward situation. If he is suspended then he stays in Tennessee (because the trade does not occur without a contract restructure) and the Titans owe him payment on his guaranteed contract. The Titans are upset with the decision. Jerry Jones is upset with decision. The charity scheduled to get the $500,000 is upset (perhaps the Tommy Urbanski fund). The best decision: reinstate Pacman, negate the guaranteed portion of the contract, pay Tommy Urbanski, and eventually Pacman will screw up again -- and he is gone -- or he doesn't and the Commissioner did well. There is no way Pacman's agent/attorney allows him to forego guaranteed payments if all the information in the declaration of warrant is "news" to the Commissioner. If so, Pacman now has a malpractice/breach of fiduciary duty suit against his attorney/agent. If I am Pacman, I don’t give up any of my guaranteed right to payment unless and until the Commissioner reinstates me and agrees not to subject me to suspension for anything related to the Las Vegas incident.

That places the Commissioner in an awkward situation. If he is suspended then he stays in Tennessee (because the trade does not occur without a contract restructure) and the Titans owe him payment on his guaranteed contract. The Titans are upset with the decision. Jerry Jones is upset with decision. The charity scheduled to get the $500,000 is upset (perhaps the Tommy Urbanski fund).

The best decision: reinstate Pacman, negate the guaranteed portion of the contract, pay Tommy Urbanski, and eventually Pacman will screw up again — and he is gone — or he doesn’t and the Commissioner did well.

There is no way Pacman’s agent/attorney allows him to forego guaranteed payments if all the information in the declaration of warrant is “news” to the Commissioner. If so, Pacman now has a malpractice/breach of fiduciary duty suit against his attorney/agent.

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]]> By: Mr. Shalz http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19531 Mr. Shalz Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:08:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19531 Is there a toilet big enough to flush this turd? He's stinkin' up the joint. What a waste of great talent. Quite sad, really. Is there a toilet big enough to flush this turd? He’s stinkin’ up the joint.

What a waste of great talent. Quite sad, really.

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]]> By: Shackman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19504 Shackman Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:13:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19504 Any chance that Pacman does any time for his involvement/noninvolvement? Any chance that Pacman does any time for his involvement/noninvolvement?

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]]> By: Eustus http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19498 Eustus Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:04:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19498 He paid a guy $15K for a hit he didn't order? For some reason, every time I read something about this Assclown I end up feeling just a little be more stupid than I was just before I read it. He paid a guy $15K for a hit he didn’t order?

For some reason, every time I read something about this Assclown I end up feeling just a little be more stupid than I was just before I read it.

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]]> By: LiveNBreath Football http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19478 LiveNBreath Football Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:21:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19478 Let me get this straight. A complete stranger walks up to Pacman outside the strip club and offers to take care of the problem. Pacman blows said stranger off. The stranger then shoots someone. So, Pacman waits SEVEN months before giving the cops a description of the guy. Instead of immediately giving up the guy to whom Pacman claimed there was no connection to him. Let me get this straight. A complete stranger walks up to Pacman outside the strip club and offers to take care of the problem. Pacman blows said stranger off. The stranger then shoots someone. So, Pacman waits SEVEN months before giving the cops a description of the guy. Instead of immediately giving up the guy to whom Pacman claimed there was no connection to him.

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]]> By: east96st http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19475 east96st Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:16:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19475 Pacman - Welcome to the Canadian Football League. Jerry tried, but you just dug yourself in too deep. If Goodell reinstates him, he's lost all his credibility in trying to "clean up" the league. Pacman - Welcome to the Canadian Football League. Jerry tried, but you just dug yourself in too deep. If Goodell reinstates him, he’s lost all his credibility in trying to “clean up” the league.

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]]> By: G-man http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19471 G-man Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:02:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19471 "Pacman, we suggest that you hold off on trying on that silver helmet with the star." With the way he acts, it sounds like Jones should be wearing a helmet all the time--not just when he's on the field. “Pacman, we suggest that you hold off on trying on that silver helmet with the star.”

With the way he acts, it sounds like Jones should be wearing a helmet all the time–not just when he’s on the field.

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19468 Grulks Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:00:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19468 As a cowboys Fan, I couldn't agree more with hobbes. I'm so sick of turds in the NFL. Hopefully the egg all over Jerry Jones will get him off this "I can rehabilitate anyone" kick he seems to be on. As a cowboys Fan, I couldn’t agree more with hobbes. I’m so sick of turds in the NFL. Hopefully the egg all over Jerry Jones will get him off this “I can rehabilitate anyone” kick he seems to be on.

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]]> By: KY http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19467 KY Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:59:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19467 Perhaps Jerry can borrow Coach Kevlar's polygraph machine to get to the truth? But, the only truth in this is Pacman's a turd. Perhaps Jerry can borrow Coach Kevlar’s polygraph machine to get to the truth?

But, the only truth in this is Pacman’s a turd.

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]]> By: Tom http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19465 Tom Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:54:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19465 Yes it has become tiresome, but we will see coverage of this for quite some time. There will be testimony, trial and conviction. I can't see any other outcome for Pacman and I certainly can't see him being reinstated while all of this will be going on. Yes it has become tiresome, but we will see coverage of this for quite some time. There will be testimony, trial and conviction. I can’t see any other outcome for Pacman and I certainly can’t see him being reinstated while all of this will be going on.

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]]> By: devmoney http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19464 devmoney Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19464 i hope he makes the best of his second chance i hope he makes the best of his second chance

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]]> By: stackNshed http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19463 stackNshed Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:47:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19463 When Pacman goes to the strip club he always orders an open faced roast beef sandwich extra pink on pumpHERnickel bread. When Pacman goes to the strip club he always orders an open faced roast beef sandwich extra pink on pumpHERnickel bread.

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]]> By: PJW http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19457 PJW Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:34:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19457 The Jones boys.........a match made in heaven They deserve each other. The Jones boys………a match made in heaven

They deserve each other.

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]]> By: hobbes http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19456 hobbes Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:33:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/minxx-shooter-thought-pacman-ordered-a-hit/#comment-19456 i hope this knucklehead will be permanently banned from the nfl.... for good.... forever.... the story has become tiresome. i hope this knucklehead will be permanently banned from the nfl…. for good…. forever…. the story has become tiresome.

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