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The report that the Minnesota Vikings surrendered a first-round pick and two third-round picks to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for defensive end Jared Allen elicited the response of “holy crap.”
But it turns out that the Vikings actually gave the Chiefs a little bit more than that.
A league source tells PFT that the trade also involved a swap of sixth-round picks in the Chiefs’ favor. The Chiefs get the Vikings’ sixth-round pick, No. 182 overall, in exchange for a sixth-round pick that the Chiefs had previously acquired from the Buccaneers, No. 187 overall.
Granted, a swap of five places in the sixth round isn’t a particularly big deal, but it’s yet another demonstration of how badly the Vikings wanted Allen, and how much the Chiefs were able to extract from the Vikings for him. Between those draft picks they traded and the enormous contract they gave him, Allen will be a disappointment in Minnesota if he’s anything less than the best defensive lineman in the NFL.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 am
I don’t think that Chiefs fans would be too upset. It’s not like they were going to win anything this year WITH Allen. They are clearly rebuilding the team. Six picks in the top 100 (two in the first round) is a very good way to start.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 am
I fail to see how people think this is a huge overspend or a HWII trade. The Herschel Walker trade was so bad because a) they mortgaged multiple years of draft picks for the “final piece” while also trading away a bunch of good players, and b) didn’t use Herschel correctly when they got him. Also, the fact that Dallas drafted extremely well adds to it - no one is calling this “Ricky Williams II”, which is more similar, because the Saints didn’t do crap with the full draft they received in return.
Also, the #9 pick in this draft is nowhere near Jared Allen’s quality. Hell, Gholston or Long are not as good as Allen and they won’t even last until #9. The Vikings paid a fair price for a franchise DE.
Put another way, the Vikings traded Philip Merling, Oneil Cousins, and Quentin Demps for Jared Allen. For those of you saying, “who?” for Cousins and Demps - that’s the point (hint: they’re likely 3rd round picks around #73 & #82). I would do that trade 100 out of 100 times.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Znorseman, why is Jackson so bad? Has he gotten better as the last few games and one whole year he has played as a starter? Yes. He came from a small school and wasn’t Archies kid, but he is only going into his 2nd year as a starter and he showed signs of drastic improvement from his first game. Right now he is better than Eli Manning was after 18 games!! You must have watched the Vikes rip Eli apart last year and that was the same year he put it all together. Give Jackson a chance, you might be surprised.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
keep spinning it whatever way makes you feel better, Pack fans.
it won’t change the fact that your front office has done absolutely nothing to make you a better team in the offseason.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
May prove to be a huge mistake. Its not my money, so I don’t really care that they over spent………it’s that loss of draft picks that will kill the team in the future. They need a QB, and there would’ve been one at 17. There is a ton of pressure now for the Vikings to succeed with little room for error.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Znorseman…yeah, no team has ever won the superbowl with only defense and running game and without a stud QB. That’s why Baltimore (2001), Tampa (2003) and Pittsburg (2006)couldn’t win those superbowls…wait a minute.
Like madmax says, give the guy a chance. How did Drew Brees look his first two years…how about Eli? Jackson had a pretty good four game stretch last year when his completion precentage was over 70%. Would I like to see more competition at the position…yes…but exactly who could they have got during free agency or the draft this year that would be your QB savoir? Derek Anderson? McNabb? a rookie?
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
@jrhsd - Didn’t they say that last year too? If doing nothing means a NFC Championship Game at home - sign me up!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
“Znorseman, why is Jackson so bad? Has he gotten better as the last few games and one whole year he has played as a starter?” - madmax
Answer: No.
Wake up dude… Tarvaris Jackson sucks.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
marcduke, the Pack haven’t won a home playoff game since, when?
The Vikings have won more playoffs in Lambeau over that period.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
HEY ZN0rseman
You Can’t win it all without a quarter back? 2 words for you TRENT DILFER!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
ZN0rseman
Can’t win it all without a quarterback? 2 words for you TRENT DILFER!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
“marcduke, the Pack haven’t won a home playoff game since, when?”
Since last January, when they blew out the ‘Hawks, maybe? And regardless of that, you have to be in the Playoffs to win Playoff games.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I dont think Allens numbers will be the most scrutinized thing… I believe that if the vikings fall anywhere short of a division title thats when the disappointment sets in. The Vikings Have shown that the goal of the team is a national title.. Weve paid through the nose for solid long term contracts. So most of the team will be locked up for the long move to los angeles………………………….
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April 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
From_FL_to_MN,
Steve Young said it best, “If you could garantee me the kind of defenses that Tarvaris Jackson is facing every game, I’d unretire right now and throw for 500 yards every week!”
Sadly, guys like Trent Dilfer, Rex Grossman and Kyle Boller would be drastic improvements at QB over anyone on the Vikings current roster. Not to mention the fact that Jackson has been throwing against super-soft cover-3 defenses. Other teams are just daring him to throw, and his accuracy is so terrible that he can’t do it. Even against such soft pass defenses, he still looks lost, confused, and without a clue as to what he’s doing. Vikings fans around the nation cringe every time he throws.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
PFT wrote: “a market that is still processing the impact of Jared Allen’s jaw-dropping deal in Minnesota.”
I don’t think the deal is all that market-shattering. Last year, Dwight Freeney signed for $30M guaranteed, $70M total. Just about the same. DF was a year older, coming off a 5.5 sack season, and had an average of 11.3 sacks per year for his career, opposed to JA’s average of 10.75.
Freeney’s deal set the market value. Allen’s is right in line with the market, neither “jaw-dropping” nor something the market has to “process.”
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April 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Knock Jackson all you want…. But you still cannot deny that he has only been surrounded by mediocre tallent at best..Bobby Wade Is an outstanding 3rd receiver..But he was forced into the #1 spot by attrition..And S Rice was rarely used because he needed to learn his routes..then sprained his ankle by the end of the year.. And Troy Williamson needed a therapist..He could catch the ball when covered but give him 3 steps and its a guaranteed drop. Garret Mills swiped from the patriots practice squad is also poised to possibly contribue this year. I think your going to see what Jackson is made of this year.. when I say that Im not talking probowler.. Im just saying that you cant blame the receivers this year.. And your going to get your most honest assesment of his abilities now that he has a stock of average or above average receivers.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
1. As far as the Speilman criticism, the last draft w/o him, the Vikings had two picks in the 1st (including No. 7 overall) and one in the 2nd. They came away with Troy Williamson, Erasmus James, and Marcus Johnson. None of them are starters, yet since Speilman took over they’ve found seven or eight starters in the draft.
2. Comparing this to the Hershel Walker trade. Boring. Predictable. Off target. If Allen is a disappointment, this is nothing more than a bad draft with a fresh start next year. The Walker trade required giving up a few established veterans and draft picks over several years.
3. Comparing Allen to Koren Robison. No comparison. Robinson IS a true alcoholic who (he showed up drunk for his jail sentence!!). He is always in denial, yet sneaks away to drink while saying he’s turned his life around. He was caught going 90 in a residential area so he wouldn’t break curfew and be caught.
4. As far as Allen getting another DUI in Minnesota. Possible, if he is also lying about giving up drinking. But I’m guessing Wilf and Childress had him program taxi services on his cell phone speed dial, just in case. Heck, he can call for limos whenever he wants.
5. As far as setting a benchmark at number of sacks to determine his worth. His value will be seen in the overall improvement in the Vikings pass defense. Allen will demand double teams, so I expect to see everyone on the D line — Allen included — have a huge year. This should carry over to the D backs who won’t have to hold their coverage as long and will have more INT chances with QBs being pressured. LBs will not need to blitz as much as can help put in coverage, not be picked up when they do blitz, and will be free to strip the ball more when they’re the second man to the ball carrier.
6. Even though the Vikes only have one pick before round 4, Vikings fans should still pay attention to the draft. I have a feeling they will make a trade to move up somewhere, trade a 2009 pick for an extra pick this year, and/or possibly trade a veteran for a draft pick.
7. As far as the Vikings going all-in with Jackson. This decision was made three years ago when they chose to not to move up for Jay Cutler or Matt Leinhart or try and sign Drew Brees. Choices are pretty limited unless you’re rebuilding. Either go with the best QB on your roster and win with veteran talent in other positions or start over while the veterans see their prime year pass by.
8. As far as gambling to win now. No choice with the Metrodome lease expiring and the Governor vowing not to give any money for a new stadium, they have to win now and have the public demand a new stadium. They can’t afford for fans to be apathetic and think they are not trying to win.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
re: jrhsd
You sure are acting like an idiot, at least do your research first. But based on what you were talking about you shouldn’t even need to do research on that.
re: Z
The Vikings need more than just a QB.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I guess this means Chris Berman won’t be able to make his annual “Will the Vikings get their pick in on time?” shenanigan on draft day since we won’t have a first rounder.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
This is great! It’s awesome to see the Vikings make crazy decisions and overpay for players with draft picks and huge contracts to overcompensate for their terrible drafting and personnel blunders.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I guess this means the Vikings will be involved in alot of 9-6 type games.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
sorry razon that you can’t do any better than call somebody names.
Two facts remain.
1. From 2005-2008, the Packers have won one playoff game in Lambeau and so do the Vikings
2. If Mark Tauscher (or really Chad Clifton who plays that position) ‘dominated’ Jared Allen by holding him two 2 tackles and 1/2 a sack, Ryan Cook ‘completely dominated’ Aaron Kampman by limiting him to 3 tackles and 1 sack in two meetings last year.
Tell me how either of those comments is idiotic.
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April 24th, 2008 at 11:59 am
To all the naysayers, I say take a look at the last 15 drafts to see who was picked at the slots which the Vikings traded to get Allen. At most, there may be 2 drafts where an insightful fan MIGHT take those picks over Allen. That translates into a 13.3% probability that the Chiefs (or any other team which holds the picks) will use the picks to select player(s) better than or equal to Allen.
In other words, the draft is a crapshoot while Allen is a proven talent.
For my money, I’ll take the proven talent any day.
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