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The report that the Minnesota Vikings surrendered a first-round pick and two third-round picks to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for defensive end Jared Allen elicited the response of “holy crap.”
But it turns out that the Vikings actually gave the Chiefs a little bit more than that.
A league source tells PFT that the trade also involved a swap of sixth-round picks in the Chiefs’ favor. The Chiefs get the Vikings’ sixth-round pick, No. 182 overall, in exchange for a sixth-round pick that the Chiefs had previously acquired from the Buccaneers, No. 187 overall.
Granted, a swap of five places in the sixth round isn’t a particularly big deal, but it’s yet another demonstration of how badly the Vikings wanted Allen, and how much the Chiefs were able to extract from the Vikings for him. Between those draft picks they traded and the enormous contract they gave him, Allen will be a disappointment in Minnesota if he’s anything less than the best defensive lineman in the NFL.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 am
Aww, Jeez. I hope this ain’t Hershel Walker II and we wind up taking it up the tailpipe again.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
By my calculations, that puts the total value of the drafts picks at 1357 or the equal to the #9 pick in this years draft.I think Florio’s right, if this guy doesn’t have 7 or 8 sacks by midseason the cynical Vikings fans will be ready to start jumping off of their roofs and windows.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
I would be satisfied with a healthy and decent defensive end. I don’t expect allen to be the best defensive end.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 am
This is no where near the HW trade, no we can quell that now. HW was a rubbing back in the decline of his career, and we traded multiple first and second rounders (plus more) for him. Allen is a beast of a DE who is just entering the prime of his career, and we traded a first and two thirds (and swapped sixth, whoopdie…)
Anyway, the last comment “Allen will be a disappointment in Minnesota if he’s anything less than the best defensive lineman in the NFL” is a bit off base. I think it would be better to say that Allen will be a disappointment in Minnesota if the Vikings have anything less than the best defensive line in the NFL. Allen is sure to take some of the double teams off from the Williams wall, which should increase their production as well.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
marcduke - that is right on (depending no what draft chart you use). All the more reason NOT to look at this like the HW trade. Basically this would have been the same as trading up to acquire one of the premier DEs in the draft… only Allen is already a proven commodity.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 am
marcduke, the #9 pick is not going to produce that much for any team this year, so if your calculations are right, I’d take Jared Allen for the #9 overall pick every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 am
“Between those draft picks they traded and the enormous contracts they gave him, Allen will be a disappointment in Minnesota if he’s anything less than the best defensive lineman in the NFL….”
With the NFC North having some pretty good offensive lineman across the board (with the exception of the Detroit Turnstiles), Allen will hardly be the best D-Lineman in the division, better yet, the league.
I love it that the Vikes dropped anchor on Koren Robinson and then would give the moon to this guy who can’t help but keep putting the jag on. There’s so much to do in Minneapolis/St. Paul, he should have no problem staying out of trouble….yeah.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
The equivalent of the #9 pick in the draft is A LOT to give up for “healthy and decent.”
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
For what the Vikes gave up he needs to have double digit sacks at least this year and next year.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 am
guess what - non cynical Viking fans expect 7 or 8 sacks even if they’d traded a first and third rounder.
they’d expect 7 or 8 sacks if they signed him for 71 M as a free agent, excluding any trade scenario.
i expect a minimum of 10 and barring injury he’ll easily get it.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am
Boy this just keeps on getting better and better. I had heard this morning that the pick swap had been in the Vikings favor. But no.
Then we got ireckon, already downplaying Allen. He is getting paid as the top DL in the NFL, he better be in the top 2 or 3 for the next 3 or 4 years to make this all worth it.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am
Quit comparing it to the Walker trade. The Vikings gave up five players and six picks for Walker. They gave up three picks for Allen. Not even close to being the same. Plus, the Vikes would have screwed up the picks anyway, so now they have a great DE.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 am
This is obviously a “win now” trade. Alas, we still
need a QB.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
Better hope he doesn’t go out and have a few drinks to celebrate.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Wow did Bill Parcells screw up. If they would have waited a before signing Jake Long things could have been so much different. Now that the Chiefs have 6 picks in the top 100 imagine the deal Parcells could have swung to drop from 1 to 5. This would have gotten KC out of that “no-man’s land” pick at 5 and pick the player they really needed in Jake Long. And Parcells could have slid down 4 picks and taken Gohlston, Matt Ryan, Sedrick Ellis, or McFadden PLUS gotten some extra picks. Miami fans should be upset with The Tuna on this one.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 am
Man I hope Miami can trade Jason Taylor for a #1 much less adding in a 3rd rounder
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Ironic that this story comes out the same day as this one…
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_9024993
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 am
Ironic that this story comes out the same day as this one…
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_9024993
Wisconsin is #1 and Minnesota is #3 in the nation for per capita driving while intoxicated arrests. Wisconsin has more than 25% of the adult population that has had a DUI arrest in the last year! Good luck ViQueens!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 am
Look at the last 5 or 6 3rd round picks minnesota has used and you will notice that most just couldn’t make it or were borderline at best. Getting a known quality is worth something. Gaines Adams was the top de picked last year (tampa) and right now would be 3rd or 4th best de coming out this year so it looks like a good trade. Chiefs fans are upset about this one.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
I will drink to that.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 am
Wait. I thought the Vikings do the raping, pillaging and plundering.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am
they will be this year!
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 am
If marcduke’s calculation is correct (which I trust), it seems the Vikings gave up the equivalent to the #9 pick and are paying the equivalent to the #1 pick for Jared Allen. And people think the Vikings got a bad deal? I can only assume that’s because we overestimate the value of the draft this week of the year. It’s an excellent deal for the Vikes.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 am
This move means to me that…
THE VIKINGS GO “ALL-IN” ON TARVARIS JACKSON
I think this move signals that my Vikings just pushed all of their chips onto the table, betting it all on the extremely bad poker hand that is Tarvaris Jackson.
Jackson is now going on his third year as arguably the worst starting QB in the league.
The Vikings now have every piece of the puzzle in place to be a championship team, all except QB. Yet, one would have to be a little crazy to think that the team can win a championship with virtually no QB (i.e. Jackson) under center. Yet it seems as though that’s exactly what they’re planning to do. The addition of Allen will make the Vikings a playoff-caliber team, exclusively due to their defense and running game. Yet, it will be a team without any sort of reliable passing game, and that means it’s a team that can win games, but one that has almost no chance of winning a championship.
If the organization took a QB on the first day of this year’s draft, conceivably they could push for a championship next year. Yet now they now have only one pick in the top 100, and that means that it’s highly unlikely that the team will be making any proactive moves at the QB position in this year’s draft. That’s NOT a good thing considering that their best QB is probably Brooks Bollinger (Ugh!), and after that they have only Tarvaris Jackson (Bleh!) and Gus Ferrotte (Seriously?). That means the QB cupboard is a bare as it gets. If the team fails to draft a young QB with potential early on draft day, and they also fail to pick up one via trade (like Sage Rosenfels), than it looks to me like Brad Childress, and the Vikings staff, are sacrificing a future championship run, for the sake of making a playoff appearance now to save their jobs. That would constitute a short-sited move that represents to me (one of the Vikings faithful) a monumental failure of the organization.
The team will have no future plan if Jackson should, once again, prove to be the flop that he has been over the last two years. Without drafting a QB in the first or second round this year, which they apparently won’t be doing, the team won’t have any QB going into 2009. Which means we’ll be stuck with Tarvaris Jackson again, for a 4th year of utter incompetence combined with fan frustration.
In other words, I think this move signals that the Vikings will be a playoff team in 2008, but aren’t going to be a contender for a championship team until at least 2010.
$0.02,
–Z
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April 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 am
Gotta love Rick Spielman, the former Dolphins GM who ran Miami into the ground with bad drafts (he must not have had any input when it came to Peterson) and even worse personnel decisions. He must be calling the shots in Minnesota now. Can’t wait til the Vikings give up a 2nd rounder for A.J. Feeley! Good luck Minnesota fans!
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