Comments on: AGENT TAKES ISSUE WITH MORT SUGGESTION ON ROOKIE PAY http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:24:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: BBrophy1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18747 BBrophy1 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:54:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18747 Even worse then the salary cap issue si the rookie salary cap issue. These first rounder are only robbing from their fellow rookies in the later round. The rookie salary cap is much more restrictive for most teams than the overall salary cap. The guys taken in the later rounds lose alot so that owners and GMs can get their first round gems into camp without missing any time Even worse then the salary cap issue si the rookie salary cap issue. These first rounder are only robbing from their fellow rookies in the later round. The rookie salary cap is much more restrictive for most teams than the overall salary cap. The guys taken in the later rounds lose alot so that owners and GMs can get their first round gems into camp without missing any time

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]]> By: TheDudesDad http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18709 TheDudesDad Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:50:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18709 samh, I am all for a tier system that is less generic than what I and more detailed than what I presented. Just as long there is something that gets rid of what we have now and makes these rookies earn the payday not hav eit handed to them. bcmcknight77, I 100% agree with you. However I doubt it would ever happen. The best we can hope for is a limit on the rookie deals. ParkerFly, You make the rookie contracts 3 year max. This gives the kids an opportunity to prove themselves and earn a big money deal. samh,

I am all for a tier system that is less generic than what I and more detailed than what I presented. Just as long there is something that gets rid of what we have now and makes these rookies earn the payday not hav eit handed to them.

bcmcknight77,
I 100% agree with you. However I doubt it would ever happen. The best we can hope for is a limit on the rookie deals.

ParkerFly,

You make the rookie contracts 3 year max. This gives the kids an opportunity to prove themselves and earn a big money deal.

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]]> By: JayPhilly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18687 JayPhilly Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:55:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18687 Really they should guarantee the contracts...then no one would have a deal longer than three or four years except quarterbacks. Really they should guarantee the contracts…then no one would have a deal longer than three or four years except quarterbacks.

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]]> By: ParkerFly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18685 ParkerFly Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:33:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18685 I wonder about one thing though. What about the guys who do explode their rookie year, i.e. Adrian Peterson? If they're not getting the big bucks, do they start holding out and causing a stink after just their first year? Or will there be a clause that they can't be extended until a certain number of years into the original contract? I wonder about one thing though. What about the guys who do explode their rookie year, i.e. Adrian Peterson? If they’re not getting the big bucks, do they start holding out and causing a stink after just their first year? Or will there be a clause that they can’t be extended until a certain number of years into the original contract?

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18684 samh Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:31:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18684 Some agents probably *DO* care. The problem is that a few agents who frequently represent the top of the draft class stand to gain a lot by current system. They just have to worry about a handful of clients and get a big chunk of money. Florio thinks (and I'm not disputing) that it's these handful of agents that are keeping a tight rein on the current system, preventing change. Some agents probably *DO* care. The problem is that a few agents who frequently represent the top of the draft class stand to gain a lot by current system. They just have to worry about a handful of clients and get a big chunk of money. Florio thinks (and I’m not disputing) that it’s these handful of agents that are keeping a tight rein on the current system, preventing change.

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]]> By: bc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18681 bc Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:16:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18681 Why do agents care? Isn't it all zero sum anyway? There's still a salary cap, and a salary minimum for each team. If the rookies got paid less, the veterans would get paid more. As the same agents represent the rookies and the veterans, why would they care which group gets which percentage of the pie? Why do agents care? Isn’t it all zero sum anyway? There’s still a salary cap, and a salary minimum for each team. If the rookies got paid less, the veterans would get paid more. As the same agents represent the rookies and the veterans, why would they care which group gets which percentage of the pie?

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]]> By: bcmcknight77 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18665 bcmcknight77 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:07:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18665 I bet a certain RB in MN would take issue with being paid a particular amount in slot #7. All rookies should be paid via performance based incentives. In fact, everyone in the NFL should be paid via performance-based incentives. It would end the incessant whining of little bitchs (see: Johnson, Chad. Owens, Terrell). You play well, you get paid. Period. Salary in the next year is directly tied to performance in the previous year. I bet a certain RB in MN would take issue with being paid a particular amount in slot #7.

All rookies should be paid via performance based incentives. In fact, everyone in the NFL should be paid via performance-based incentives. It would end the incessant whining of little bitchs (see: Johnson, Chad. Owens, Terrell). You play well, you get paid. Period. Salary in the next year is directly tied to performance in the previous year.

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]]> By: drhanniballector http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18663 drhanniballector Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:59:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18663 i don't understand the agents' attitude on this. if you slot the money by draft position, the money doesn't go away for the agents, it's still there; it just gets shifted from pre-first year players to players who are ending their first contract. in other words, the scramble for the college kids to land the big money deal just shifts to a scramble for players who's rookie contracts are about to expire. the money is still there every year. i don’t understand the agents’ attitude on this. if you slot the money by draft position, the money doesn’t go away for the agents, it’s still there; it just gets shifted from pre-first year players to players who are ending their first contract.
in other words, the scramble for the college kids to land the big money deal just shifts to a scramble for players who’s rookie contracts are about to expire. the money is still there every year.

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]]> By: miami12078 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18661 miami12078 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:57:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18661 I love the Family Guy ref. it's nice to see something other than seinfield. I love the Family Guy ref. it’s nice to see something other than seinfield.

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]]> By: humoroususername http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18660 humoroususername Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:56:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18660 Screw that! The rookie pool is outrageous. Trim it and give it to the proven players. Freakin' Gene Upshaw's too much of dumbass, and at the same time so far up his agents ass that he can't see it. His agent would probably fire him if he tried to lessen the pool... Screw that! The rookie pool is outrageous. Trim it and give it to the proven players. Freakin’ Gene Upshaw’s too much of dumbass, and at the same time so far up his agents ass that he can’t see it. His agent would probably fire him if he tried to lessen the pool…

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]]> By: djthefan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18655 djthefan Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:46:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18655 I guess it's sad that I registered just to point out that Pawtucket Patriot used the silver scroll, so Fox wouldn't have to pay royalties or anything, so I'll add a little football commentary too. Agents control everything, because of the amount of money involved in the NFL. I don't think there are enough players who care to override the ones who jsut listen to agents with dollar-signs in their eyes. I guess it’s sad that I registered just to point out that Pawtucket Patriot used the silver scroll, so Fox wouldn’t have to pay royalties or anything, so I’ll add a little football commentary too.

Agents control everything, because of the amount of money involved in the NFL. I don’t think there are enough players who care to override the ones who jsut listen to agents with dollar-signs in their eyes.

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]]> By: Dave Zastudil http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18654 Dave Zastudil Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:45:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18654 As a Browns fan I have to speak-out against the ridiculous amount of money these guys make. Look at the recent Browns draft picks receiving absurd amounts (Couch, Brown, Warren, Winslow, etc.) that haven't earned it. I'll give Winslow the benefit of the doubt, but he made a lot of money those first two years and hardly played because of injuries and stupidity. This needs to change. As a Browns fan I have to speak-out against the ridiculous amount of money these guys make. Look at the recent Browns draft picks receiving absurd amounts (Couch, Brown, Warren, Winslow, etc.) that haven’t earned it. I’ll give Winslow the benefit of the doubt, but he made a lot of money those first two years and hardly played because of injuries and stupidity. This needs to change.

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18653 samh Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:38:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18653 DudesDad, I think you need a rate for each draft slot, not a tiered system. The 4th 5th and 6th players likely aren't that far apart - why let two make the same amount and give one another? Who's to say 5 is the right number per tier, why not 4? or 6? Let the math geniuses figure it out, but I don't think it makes sense for picks 1-5 and 6-10 to make the same amt. DudesDad,

I think you need a rate for each draft slot, not a tiered system. The 4th 5th and 6th players likely aren’t that far apart - why let two make the same amount and give one another? Who’s to say 5 is the right number per tier, why not 4? or 6? Let the math geniuses figure it out, but I don’t think it makes sense for picks 1-5 and 6-10 to make the same amt.

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]]> By: Skew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18649 Skew Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:32:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18649 Amazing that agents really expect us fans to believe that kind of crap flowing from their mouths. Amazing that agents really expect us fans to believe that kind of crap flowing from their mouths.

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]]> By: WannyFanClub http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18647 WannyFanClub Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:28:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18647 Yeah, Mort is a moron. That statement doesn't even pass the smell test. Why would veterans be happy with a system that makes highly drafted rookies among the highest paid players at their position at their expense? Yeah, Mort is a moron.

That statement doesn’t even pass the smell test. Why would veterans be happy with a system that makes highly drafted rookies among the highest paid players at their position at their expense?

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]]> By: TheDudesDad http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18644 TheDudesDad Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:20:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/agent-takes-issue-with-mort-suggestion-on-rookie-pay/#comment-18644 Mort's an idiot. Always has been always will be. As for rookie contracts I wills ay what I have been saying for years. Have base salary based on where the rookie is taken. 1 amount for 1-5 then 6-16 and then 16-32 and then 2 round then 3rd-the end. You can sign the contracts with all kinds of playing time and performance incentives to make them potentially worth millions but absolutely no guaranteed money. These kids are not entitled to it and have not earned it. Mort’s an idiot. Always has been always will be.

As for rookie contracts I wills ay what I have been saying for years.

Have base salary based on where the rookie is taken.

1 amount for 1-5 then 6-16 and then 16-32 and then 2 round then 3rd-the end.

You can sign the contracts with all kinds of playing time and performance incentives to make them potentially worth millions but absolutely no guaranteed money. These kids are not entitled to it and have not earned it.

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