With no picks in the first three rounds of the draft, due to trades that resulted in the arrival of an overrated defensive tackle (Corey Williams), an overfed defensive tackle (Shaun Rogers), and a bench-warming “Quarterback of the Future, But Possibly In Another City” (Brady Quinn), the Cleveland Browns are nevertheless actually making advance plans for their picks in rounds four through seven.
According to the Akron Beacon Journal, the Browns wants a ‘tweener. As in a hybrid defensive end/linebacker, who can be groomed to play outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense. Said ‘tweener would be paired with Kamerion Wembley.
The problem is that, because the Browns aren’t on the clock until the 122nd overall pick, it’ll be hard to discern with a high degree of certainty the players who’ll be available at that time. And unless the Browns are flat-out bluffing (which is possible), their desire for a ‘tweener is an open invitation for any team choosing after No. 122 to move ahead of the Browns in an effort to pluck the player whom the Browns might plan to pick.
In hindsight, the better approach would have been to not give up a second-round pick in 2007 and a first-round pick in 2008 for the ability to land Quinn. (By the way, that transaction kind of puts Jared Allen’s potential value in perspective, doesn’t it?) Though Browns G.M. Phil Savage deserves plenty of credit for what his team accomplished a year ago, it would have been nice if he’d known that Derek Anderson was poised to become a pretty good quarterback.
Then again, maybe Anderson played so well only because he had no pressure on him, given that he assumed the job as the presumed placeholder until Quinn was ready. The absence of any temptation to peer over his shoulder allowed Anderson to remain relaxed, which in turn allowed him to play so well. It’ll be interesting to see how Anderson performs in 2008, with the burdens and expectations of being the clear-cut starter — and with a backup who continues to boast about his intentions to win the No. 1 job.
But we digress. If the Browns still had the No. 22 overall pick in round one, they’d be in prime position to land a guy like Quentin Groves of Auburn. And they wouldn’t be trolling for a sleeper long after most of the folks who follow the draft are sawing logs on their couches.
_2.gif)





April 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am
Targeting Shawn “Just Don’t Let Me Play On the Field Goal Team Against I-AA College Teams” Crable, perhaps?
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am
I’ll bet Savage is paranoid someone else will draft a tweener before they pick.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 10:27 am
So in other words you hate the Browns. Gotcha. Now would be a great time to post a puff piece about West Virginia’s football program don’t you think? Just so we’re all reminded that you’re not a ‘real’ journalist and you are allowed to be completely biased in your musings.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3.85 / 5 with 7 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 10:31 am
Ah Cleveland, every mindless trendoid’s cutesy pick for division winner next year. With a QB who tanked as the season went on, and Brady “Crotch Grabby” Quinn, the Notre Dame choker, waiting in the wings. Stick to hawking Subway, and leave the QB-ing to the pros, Brady.
“Overrated defensive tackle,” ha ha. So funny ‘cuz it’s so true.
Watch out Cleve, you may just finish third behind the Bengals next year.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 3 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am
If you had watch Corey Williams play at all, you’d know the guy is a BEAST. You arn’t going to find anyone in round 2 this year who will be able to make the long and short term impact that CW will. But you did get one thing right…Shaun Rogers is a whale.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 4 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Ah yes, Corey Williams is a BEAST!! He is a good player, even an above average player, and early in the season he was close to a beast, but as players on the Packer’s DL got hurt, and the pressure and number of reps increased he become less effective. He is a good player but is not a player worth the money that Cleveland played.
re: ice456789
Yes Florio must hate the Browns. But even if that is true, it doesn’t change the statement he made from being true to being false.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:01 am
People have watched Corey Williams play in a 4-3 and play pretty well (not well enough to be considered one of their top 3 DT’s).
And Shawn Crable isn’t going to be there @122.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: Not yet rated
April 21st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Florio -
Come on… Every media outlet agrees that Savage’s ploys of the last 12 months have been risky but shrewd. No one in the NFL thought Anderson would blow-up as he did… It was a perfect storm of getting the system down as the offense flourished around him. Getting Thomas and Quinn in round one last year was a strong, strong play and was roundly praised throughout the league and in the media.
Are you saying that there will be better prospects than Corey Williams and Sean Rogers in the second and third rounds this year? Are you saying we would be better off with the “potential” of draft picks than with players that have already proven themselves in the NFL?
Even with 20-20 hindsight, the Browns are in much, much, much better shape than the were the day before the 2007 draft. They have improved enough that it appears that Savage’s plan is working and even with the lack of picks this draft, the Browns have used those picks in the offseason to solidify the weakest aspect of their team in a way that would not have been possible in the draft.
So give us the real scoop… how did Savage snub you to make you so anti-Savage in your “reporting” on the Browns?
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 2 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:19 am
If Corey Williams is so overrated the Packers sure took a big risk in franchising him. The franchise money they would have had to pay him is a lot more than Cleveland will be paying him (per year).
The obvious oversight in comparing what the Browns gave up to draft Quinn vs. what Minnesota will give up for Jared Allen is the difference in the two contracts. The Vikes will still have to pay Allen ‘Freeny money’ which will soak up a bunch of their cap space. The Browns have Quinn signed to a much cheaper contract. The cap risk that the Vikes are accepting (if Allen gets hurt) is much greater.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:41 am
OrangeMachine,
I learned some time ago not to get agitated at Florio’s Browns-hating, Steeler-Kool-Aid-drinking posts. He routinely berates the Browns. But, that’s to be expected from a guy who lives in West Virginnie. You know, that’s the place that’s just a stolen car ride away from Pittsburgh. I prefer to just wait and check out his posts and those of dudes like “Masked Marvel Smith” after the much-improved Browns give the Stillers the whuppin’ they’ve so long deserved. Until then, such posts can be treated as the chest-thumping rants of arrogance which have characterized the Pissburgh crowd for several years now.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 3 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:41 am
ahh big surprise, florio hating on the browns. wouldn’t have anything to do with his love of the steelers. hey mike-stick to being an ambulance chaser-you would never make it as a gm.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am
Lots of guys do fantasy football drafts. The only difference is that they pay to do it but Savage gets paid to do it.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am
Yep, Vikings fan here, and Corey Williams is not overated at all.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am
Re: ice - No team is exempt from the Wrath De Florio - to call him a “Browns Hater” is a little strong, given the fact that there are times, he has called out the Browns in a positive light.
On field success will translate into more positive press.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 2 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am
Florio, what’s your deal with hating Phil Savage so much? He’s done nothing but good things in both of his major positions, yet you continuously trash him like he’s Millen or something.
Find a DL in round 2 that could make as big of an impact as Williams, and along those lines another in round 3 that can play to the level that Rogers can… assuming he’s really playing.
You’ve talked numerous times about how Savage is “mortgaging” the Browns’ future to try to win now… and then you site the trade for Quinn… you do realize Quinn was just a rookie right? They didn’t trade away a first and second (in reality, only a second…) to lure Favre out of retirement. He’s got all kinds of time, and he isn’t making all that much money.
I wish you would provide some reasoning behind your hatred of Savage at some point in time. Maybe it’s because you, like everyone else, picked Cleveland to finish dead last in ‘07 and he made you look foolish?
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 3 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:52 am
I saw some posts after I posted what I said, and I’ll say it again.
Give Florio credit. Dude reports the League. He’s reamed the Steelers just has much as the Browns.
This site has a chance to be pretty strong pretty quickly, whining about how Florio covers your team, will show your team out the door.
The NFL must think the Browns are ready for Prime Time. They know there are a ton of Brownie Backers out there to score ratings.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Now people lets remeber cleveland is the town where the term “there’s always next year” is used on almost a daily basis. Now don’t get me wrong, I think the Browns have the oppertunity to separate themselves from this terrible saying this year. But by in order to do so they need to step up in those prime time games.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3.2 / 5 with 5 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Yeah take a Vikings fan opinion on a player that isn’t a Viking. Two games versus 16 games. I am sure you can get a great opinion in two games. Let start with the stats. Two games last season, 1 Asst Tackle, No Sacks, 0 games started against the Vikings. As I said a good player, slightly above average, but not worth what he got paid.
re: mawbrew
Except one thing, the Franchise Tag is one year versus the multi-year risk the Browns took. Also, it is a safe bet that either the tag was applied to insure a trade was completed once FA started or would have been pulled back by the Packers if trade talks fell through. CW was not going to sign his tag in the first two weeks of FA, likely not even the first month.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Corey Williams is a tad overrated.
The Packers run a rotational defensive line, consisting of Pickett, Jolly, Williams, Cole, and Justin Harrell. Corey Williams was the 3rd guy on the depth chart. Pickett and Jolly were 1st and 2nd down players, the run stoppers. Williams came in on passing situations. After Johnny Jolly got hurt in like week 10, Williams got a chance to be the #2 DT, and he didn’t get a sack the rest of the year. He’s overrated.
The only reason the Packers franchised him is because they have like 30 million in cap space, and they have solid starters at every position.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 2 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Ahh, more “fair and balanced” news reporting from Mike “Greenberg Jr.” Florio. Of course everyone the Browns get is overrated. And now that Leigh Bodden is no longer a Brown, you think he’s the greatest CB to ever play football. When he was on the team, he was a nobody to you.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 4.5 / 5 with 2 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Derek Anderson won’t make it as the starter until game 8. He might have been adequate in part of ‘07, but he flat out cost the AFC players $20K each in the Pro Bowl. Norv must not have been paying attention; he couldn’t hit the ground with his hat! Letting him put the ball up was useless.
Hate on Quinn all you like, but he’ll replace Anderson before the season in half-way through, and the Browns fans will be greatful. As for Anderson’s contract…that was just dumb!
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Florio seemes to have a bias as anti Browns, not from just this post but others past post as well. That is fine I have my own bias.
I would disagree strongly with Florio opinions on the Browns.
Savage is well in tune with pulse of this team. There are enough exceptional players who are in their prime years making this the right time to souround them with the best supporting cast that they can.
Phil Savage and his whole scouting team were featured on a local (STO) TV station. One of the Key point that he made was that the window of oppertunity for the Browns is the next 3 to 4 years.
He has positioned this team well by all accounts.
The National media has gone a bit over board as have the NFL schedule folks….This is a direct reflection on the Job that Phil has done positioning this team…..completly turning the roster over in 3 years.
Escalating the aquisition of tallent , or jumping the draft cycle seems to be a great plan.
Actualy Browns Fans may recall the last time this happened was in the years when we accuried all of the Bears picks for the USFL players drafts ….Mcneil( Ice Cube ) , Mac , Minifield were keys to makeing that team a contender….
To not be able to recognize what has taken place in Cleveland only lends it’s self to a loss your credability.
That is quite a limb you climbed out on….you -vs- just about every one else who knows a bit about football.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
im just curious but why is everyone knocking on shawn rogers for getting fatter? i mean isnt that the point of a nose tackle? be big and get in the way of the center and guard so the middle linebackers can get to the ball. i can understand that this could be a problem in a 4-3 defense but guess what thats not the browns defense anymore. so for shawn rogers i have this to say let him eat his cake.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Florio may give the Browns a harder time than alot of other teams, but then again the Browns are in the news alot more than other teams. Its not like Florio is going to post “49ers continue to sit on second round pick”.
Savage has made the moves to make him the talk of the league. Florio is going to talk about him, and it tends to be negative, cause most of what he posts about is negative.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
April 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Re: Razon
Yep, the Browns are on the hook for about twice as much in guarantees as the Packers would have been if Williams haad signed his franchise tender. I’d also agree that the Pack always intended to trade Williams from the time they franchised him. Where I’ll disagree is on the assumption that Williams never would have signed his tender. It’s unlikely he would have signed it, but it’s not certain. (And if he’s really not that good, why wouldn’t he jump at $8 million guaranteed for one year?) That uncertainty represented the Packers risk. They had to be willing to accept that risk when they franchised him and that’s not a risk you take with a guy you think is marginal.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: Not yet rated