Comments on: ABSENT TRADE, VIKES “LIKELY” TO SIGN ALLEN AFTER DRAFT http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:24:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: ZN0rseman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17882 ZN0rseman Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:19:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17882 Allen would be an elite prospect as long as he can keep his nose clean. His addition would make the Vikings defense elite. However, two 1st round picks is not acceptable unless the team drafts a QB (Brohm or Ryan) in round 1 this year. Why? Because I think it's clear that Tarvaris Jackson is not going to be good enough to be anything more than a backup QB in this league. That said, we have to get a QB of the future now, before losing 2 1st round picks to KC and eliminating our ability to get such a player in the future. Once that is done, this team would be catapulted into an elite status from a defensive perspective... and in 2009 when our new franchise QB took over the starting QB role from the happless Tarvaris Jackson, the Vikings would become and elite offense, combined with an elite defense, and that would equate to a team with Super Bowl aspirations. Allen would be an elite prospect as long as he can keep his nose clean. His addition would make the Vikings defense elite. However, two 1st round picks is not acceptable unless the team drafts a QB (Brohm or Ryan) in round 1 this year. Why? Because I think it’s clear that Tarvaris Jackson is not going to be good enough to be anything more than a backup QB in this league. That said, we have to get a QB of the future now, before losing 2 1st round picks to KC and eliminating our ability to get such a player in the future. Once that is done, this team would be catapulted into an elite status from a defensive perspective… and in 2009 when our new franchise QB took over the starting QB role from the happless Tarvaris Jackson, the Vikings would become and elite offense, combined with an elite defense, and that would equate to a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17726 Kotite Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:48:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17726 On the field, Allen is a beast, but off it, he's a risk. 2 DUIs in 1 year is a red flag. His mullet is a bigger red flag. Whoever signs this guy should have no problem justifying the move to the fans, but there had better be some crafty wording in that contract to insulate the team in case he gets strike three. On the field, Allen is a beast, but off it, he’s a risk. 2 DUIs in 1 year is a red flag. His mullet is a bigger red flag. Whoever signs this guy should have no problem justifying the move to the fans, but there had better be some crafty wording in that contract to insulate the team in case he gets strike three.

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]]> By: Busted0426 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17699 Busted0426 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:59:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17699 OK i know i am going to get ripped for this but hear me out Erasmus James I dont think is a total bust yet and with udeze out this year James could work his ass off to get that starting spot . but ACL injuries are a bitch. Jared Allen would help him a lot with his growth as a player having an established pass rusher on the other side, and you want to talk about bad picks...... with the 29th pick in the 1999 draft the minnesota vikings select DIMITRIUS UNDERWOOD DE Michigan State.....1996 draft 16th pick Duane Clemens DE Cal.........1995 11th goddamn pick Derrick Alexander.......... GET JARED ALLEN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!! OK i know i am going to get ripped for this but hear me out Erasmus James I dont think is a total bust yet and with udeze out this year James could work his ass off to get that starting spot . but ACL injuries are a bitch. Jared Allen would help him a lot with his growth as a player having an established pass rusher on the other side, and you want to talk about bad picks…… with the 29th pick in the 1999 draft the minnesota vikings select DIMITRIUS UNDERWOOD DE Michigan State…..1996 draft 16th pick Duane Clemens DE Cal………1995 11th goddamn pick Derrick Alexander………. GET JARED ALLEN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17662 wingnut Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:01:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17662 More than I ever wanted to know about the Vikings... More than I ever wanted to know about the Vikings…

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17653 wingnut Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:13:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17653 Hey Henry Plainveiw, that was deep... Hey Henry Plainveiw, that was deep…

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17652 wingnut Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:09:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17652 Whats a Purple Jesus? Whats a Purple Jesus?

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]]> By: Holy Hitter http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17649 Holy Hitter Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:55:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17649 Ca_Viking, just to make sure you get your facts straight. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder and Tony Romo was undrafted not a 4th rounder. Yes, using a 1st rounder on a QB can be a crapshoot, but look at how many current starting QBs were drafted in the 1st round: (2007) JaMarcus Russel [1st]; (2006) Vince Young [3rd], Matt Leinart [10th], Jay Cutler [11th]; (2005) Aaron Rodgers [24th], Jason Campbell [25th]; (2004) Eli Manning [1st], Philip Rivers [4th], Ben Roethlisberger [11th]; (2003) Carson Palmer [1st], ? (Kyle Boller [19th]), ? (Rex Grossman [22nd]); 2000 ? (Chad Pennington [18th]); 1999 Donovan McNabb [2nd]; 1998 Peyton Manning [1st]. That is 12 guaranteed starters of 32 teams drafted in the 1st round with 3 others in competition for the starting spot. Yes there have been busts like Couch, Carr, Akili Smith, etc. And look the last 3 Super Bowl champs have all been led by a 1st round QB (granted none of them was picked lower than 11th). I agree that the Vikings shouldn't use a 1st rounder on a QB, especially this year but it isn't like taking a QB in the first round means it is a total crapshoot. Ca_Viking, just to make sure you get your facts straight. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder and Tony Romo was undrafted not a 4th rounder. Yes, using a 1st rounder on a QB can be a crapshoot, but look at how many current starting QBs were drafted in the 1st round: (2007) JaMarcus Russel [1st]; (2006) Vince Young [3rd], Matt Leinart [10th], Jay Cutler [11th]; (2005) Aaron Rodgers [24th], Jason Campbell [25th]; (2004) Eli Manning [1st], Philip Rivers [4th], Ben Roethlisberger [11th]; (2003) Carson Palmer [1st], ? (Kyle Boller [19th]), ? (Rex Grossman [22nd]); 2000 ? (Chad Pennington [18th]); 1999 Donovan McNabb [2nd]; 1998 Peyton Manning [1st].

That is 12 guaranteed starters of 32 teams drafted in the 1st round with 3 others in competition for the starting spot. Yes there have been busts like Couch, Carr, Akili Smith, etc. And look the last 3 Super Bowl champs have all been led by a 1st round QB (granted none of them was picked lower than 11th). I agree that the Vikings shouldn’t use a 1st rounder on a QB, especially this year but it isn’t like taking a QB in the first round means it is a total crapshoot.

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]]> By: bgman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17644 bgman Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:09:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17644 There is one compromise where both teams can get what they want. One thing the Vikings need to do in this draft is get a QB in the later rounds to develop. Ideally it will be someone in the 5th or 6th round who will be the 3rd string or practice squad this year, and in a couple of years become the primary backup (someone who can step in and win games). Then if Jackson doesn't pan out, he could probably take over as the starter (think of Sage Rosenfels role with the Titans or Sean Hill with the 49ers). They thought they had that player last year when they drafted Tyler Thigpen. Even though he keeps things close to the vest and undertstates things, Brad Childress really liked him as this developmental QB and was disappointed when the Vikings lost him. The reason the Vikings lost Thigpen was he was waived so he could clear waivers and be placed on the practice squad, but he was swooped up by . . . . the Kansas City Chiefs (much like the Browns did when the Ravens tried to placed Derek Anderson on the practice squad a few years ago). So why not have the Chiefs add Thigpen to the Allen deal for the Vikings #1 and #2. The Vikings then could use the extra #3 they were planning to give to the Chiefs and the #5 or #6 they were planning to use on a developmental QB and package them to someone for a second round pick. That way both teams end of the the 2nd round pick they covet. The advantages would be: 1. Carl Peterson can feel like he won the negotiating by only having to give back someone they stole from the Vikings last year to get what he wants. 2. With four picks in the 1st 2 rounds the Chiefs can draft a franchise QB, move B. Coyle to the developmental (eventual 2nd string) QB role, and use D. Hoard as the starter until the rookie they draft is able to take over. They would have to cut Thigpen in the situation anyway, so they wouldn't be giving up anything they planned on keeping. 3. The Vikings would get a QB they liked and who has experience with their offense in mini camp and preseason, and now is a year more mature and has had a year to get acclimated to the NFL. 4. The Vikings would get their dominant pass rushing DE, and developmental QB and still have picks in rounds 2, 3, and 4 plus others to fill their remaining holes, such as O line. There is one compromise where both teams can get what they want.

One thing the Vikings need to do in this draft is get a QB in the later rounds to develop. Ideally it will be someone in the 5th or 6th round who will be the 3rd string or practice squad this year, and in a couple of years become the primary backup (someone who can step in and win games). Then if Jackson doesn’t pan out, he could probably take over as the starter (think of Sage Rosenfels role with the Titans or Sean Hill with the 49ers).

They thought they had that player last year when they drafted Tyler Thigpen. Even though he keeps things close to the vest and undertstates things, Brad Childress really liked him as this developmental QB and was disappointed when the Vikings lost him.

The reason the Vikings lost Thigpen was he was waived so he could clear waivers and be placed on the practice squad, but he was swooped up by . . . . the Kansas City Chiefs (much like the Browns did when the Ravens tried to placed Derek Anderson on the practice squad a few years ago).

So why not have the Chiefs add Thigpen to the Allen deal for the Vikings #1 and #2. The Vikings then could use the extra #3 they were planning to give to the Chiefs and the #5 or #6 they were planning to use on a developmental QB and package them to someone for a second round pick. That way both teams end of the the 2nd round pick they covet.

The advantages would be:
1. Carl Peterson can feel like he won the negotiating by only having to give back someone they stole from the Vikings last year to get what he wants.
2. With four picks in the 1st 2 rounds the Chiefs can draft a franchise QB, move B. Coyle to the developmental (eventual 2nd string) QB role, and use D. Hoard as the starter until the rookie they draft is able to take over. They would have to cut Thigpen in the situation anyway, so they wouldn’t be giving up anything they planned on keeping.
3. The Vikings would get a QB they liked and who has experience with their offense in mini camp and preseason, and now is a year more mature and has had a year to get acclimated to the NFL.
4. The Vikings would get their dominant pass rushing DE, and developmental QB and still have picks in rounds 2, 3, and 4 plus others to fill their remaining holes, such as O line.

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17642 Henry Plainview Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:34:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17642 Tavaris Jackson sucks. Tavaris Jackson sucks.

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]]> By: verse234 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17637 verse234 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:11:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17637 Im thinking the opposite. This Trade or signing, better benefits the chiefs. The Chiefs objective is to revamp their oline. with two first round picks this year in a draft that is deep at ot, they will be about to do that. Derrick Burgess lead the leauge in sacks a few years ago. and jared allen this year. that tell me, that the olines in the west are WEAK. Im thinking the opposite.
This Trade or signing, better benefits the chiefs.
The Chiefs objective is to revamp their oline.
with two first round picks this year in a draft that is deep at ot, they will be about to do that.
Derrick Burgess lead the leauge in sacks a few years ago. and jared allen this year. that tell me, that the olines in the west are WEAK.

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]]> By: DaBills http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17626 DaBills Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:44:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17626 If any one wants a case study in why any team should not buy into the hype and give up their future because they think they will be good look no further than the No. 7 spot. Just when it looked like things would get a little more balanced with New England suffering some attrition and losing some draft picks, these clowns go out and hand them a no. 7 pick after reading the fist wrap. Minnesota you are no San Fran, I bet KC has a top 3 pick the next two years. If any one wants a case study in why any team should not buy into the hype and give up their future because they think they will be good look no further than the No. 7 spot. Just when it looked like things would get a little more balanced with New England suffering some attrition and losing some draft picks, these clowns go out and hand them a no. 7 pick after reading the fist wrap. Minnesota you are no San Fran, I bet KC has a top 3 pick the next two years.

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]]> By: KramersPalLomez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17625 KramersPalLomez Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:38:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17625 You have to love the logic of this. "You want a first and second rounder? Forget it! We'll give you TWO first rounders and you'll just have to live with it!" You have to love the logic of this. “You want a first and second rounder? Forget it! We’ll give you TWO first rounders and you’ll just have to live with it!”

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]]> By: capbarclay http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17624 capbarclay Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:25:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17624 A potentially crazy thought. The Bucs have traded a 7th round pick for a retired QB and the opportunity to get $4 million in bonus money - what if Tampa Bay wanted in onthe Allen deal? Tampa Bay could send a first and a second round pick to the Chiefs for the rights to Allen. Then even if Minnesota does sign Allen to an offer sheet past the draft, the Bucs have turned one of their second round picks into one of the Vikings first round picks. Does the CBA prohibit a scenario in which, say the Vikings make a poison-pill offer to Allen, the Chiefs trade his rights to the Bucs, and the Bucs then have the right of refusal - but since the poison-pill targets Kansas City, the Bucs swoop in and get Allen for the first and second round price tag? Could make sense for Peterson if he thinks he's on the hot seat and would rather have two 2009 draft picks to work with rather than waiting until 2010 for the second Minnesota first round pick. Now, somebody tell me why I'm crazy. A potentially crazy thought. The Bucs have traded a 7th round pick for a retired QB and the opportunity to get $4 million in bonus money - what if Tampa Bay wanted in onthe Allen deal? Tampa Bay could send a first and a second round pick to the Chiefs for the rights to Allen. Then even if Minnesota does sign Allen to an offer sheet past the draft, the Bucs have turned one of their second round picks into one of the Vikings first round picks. Does the CBA prohibit a scenario in which, say the Vikings make a poison-pill offer to Allen, the Chiefs trade his rights to the Bucs, and the Bucs then have the right of refusal - but since the poison-pill targets Kansas City, the Bucs swoop in and get Allen for the first and second round price tag? Could make sense for Peterson if he thinks he’s on the hot seat and would rather have two 2009 draft picks to work with rather than waiting until 2010 for the second Minnesota first round pick. Now, somebody tell me why I’m crazy.

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]]> By: joeohlin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17623 joeohlin Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17623 the vikings should consider unloading mckinnie and trying to keep this years 1st round and using on a Jeff Otah the vikings should consider unloading mckinnie and trying to keep this years 1st round and using on a Jeff Otah

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]]> By: verse234 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17620 verse234 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:16:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17620 If im the chiefs, i wait and take the first round picks. Granted allen led the leauge in sacks last year, but didnt burgess do that the year or two before? sounds like some weak tackles play in the west. I take the picks,. the chiefs are looking to re organize their oline. well they can do that with two first woundrers this year and next. If im a vickings fan. I Pray this deal dont get done If im the chiefs, i wait and take the first round picks. Granted allen led the leauge in sacks last year, but didnt burgess do that the year or two before?
sounds like some weak tackles play in the west.

I take the picks,. the chiefs are looking to re organize their oline. well they can do that with two first woundrers this year and next.

If im a vickings fan. I Pray this deal dont get done

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]]> By: jakefountain http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17615 jakefountain Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:34:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17615 The draft is such a crap shoot I think it is a good idea. Remember, the Vikes had two first round picks three years ago (Williamson and James) and both are busts. Money spent on proven commodities is money much better spent. The draft is such a crap shoot I think it is a good idea. Remember, the Vikes had two first round picks three years ago (Williamson and James) and both are busts. Money spent on proven commodities is money much better spent.

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]]> By: cliffclav http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17612 cliffclav Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:34:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17612 Question???? Would the Vikings have enough caproom to sign the #17 pick to a contract plus all other picks...Potentially absorb any cap hit if Mckinnie is cut..And Sign Jared Allen? I would think it would be in the best Interest to Sign Allen before the Draft.. And I though the league would have outlawed/discouraged poison pill clauses by now...Especially after the media attention that Steve Hutchinson got Question???? Would the Vikings have enough caproom to sign the #17 pick to a contract plus all other picks…Potentially absorb any cap hit if Mckinnie is cut..And Sign Jared Allen? I would think it would be in the best Interest to Sign Allen before the Draft.. And I though the league would have outlawed/discouraged poison pill clauses by now…Especially after the media attention that Steve Hutchinson got

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]]> By: Nebvikefan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17607 Nebvikefan Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:21:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17607 The real question is would you trade Udeze and James for Allen. As a Vikings fan I have to believe everyone would say yes. That is the same as what this would be except at least we know what we have with those two. There is just as much possiblity that the players in 09 and 10 will be worse than either of those player. The real question is would you trade Udeze and James for Allen. As a Vikings fan I have to believe everyone would say yes. That is the same as what this would be except at least we know what we have with those two. There is just as much possiblity that the players in 09 and 10 will be worse than either of those player.

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]]> By: Tenolein http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17601 Tenolein Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:02:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17601 I understand all the worries about losing 2 first round draft picks and a ton of money for Allen. I can understand why people can call that a dumb move. Here's what those people are missing: 1) First off.. Look at the Vikings history for drafting DE/DTs. Kevin Williams is the only one of those positions taken in the first round that has panned out in the past 5-10 years. Not to mention there is no outstanding DE player in this years draft. 2) Like 'vikings=superbowl' said, this is the NFL.. Not Madden 09. First round picks are not automatically all-star starters. 3) If you had watched the Vikings the past two years, you would know their defense is ONE great pass rusher away from being a top5 defense. (Personally, I think it would jump to number 1) Name a guy in the upcoming draft or in college now that the Vikings MAY have a chance in drafting that can do what Allen can do? 4) This is NOT another Herschell Walker trade, like many people are trying to claim it is. Whether or not Allen will play at the same level he has the past few years is unknown. But the Vikings would only be giving up 2 draft picks. 2. Not 7. And who's to say they won't pull a deal to get a first rounder in the future? I say pull this trigger as soon as the draft is over. I understand all the worries about losing 2 first round draft picks and a ton of money for Allen. I can understand why people can call that a dumb move.

Here’s what those people are missing:
1) First off.. Look at the Vikings history for drafting DE/DTs. Kevin Williams is the only one of those positions taken in the first round that has panned out in the past 5-10 years. Not to mention there is no outstanding DE player in this years draft.

2) Like ‘vikings=superbowl’ said, this is the NFL.. Not Madden 09. First round picks are not automatically all-star starters.

3) If you had watched the Vikings the past two years, you would know their defense is ONE great pass rusher away from being a top5 defense. (Personally, I think it would jump to number 1) Name a guy in the upcoming draft or in college now that the Vikings MAY have a chance in drafting that can do what Allen can do?

4) This is NOT another Herschell Walker trade, like many people are trying to claim it is. Whether or not Allen will play at the same level he has the past few years is unknown. But the Vikings would only be giving up 2 draft picks. 2. Not 7. And who’s to say they won’t pull a deal to get a first rounder in the future?

I say pull this trigger as soon as the draft is over.

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]]> By: landlocked http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17599 landlocked Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:01:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17599 Risky yes, but I have no problem with taking a chance on sending the 09,10 1sts to KC if a deal can't be reached before draft day. The Vikings are a veteran team and Zygi should go "all in" now if he want's to get his stadium built. The status quo won't get it done. Two 1sts for Allen is like drafting one superstar and one bust. Compare it to the Vikings previous 1st rounders and it really doesn't seem all that risky after all if Allen plugs a major hole preventing us from contending: 2007, 7 - Adrian Peterson - Budding superstar 2006, 17 - Chad Greenway - Injured entire rookie year 2005, 7 - Troy Williamson - Big time bust, no longer with team 2004, 20 - Kenechi Udeze - Starter but no superstar 2003, 9 - Kevin Williams - Superstar 2002, 7 - Bryant McKinnie - Solid starter 2001, 27 - Michael Bennett - Mediocre, no longer with team 2000, 25 - Chris Hovan - Mediocre, no longer with team Risky yes, but I have no problem with taking a chance on sending the 09,10 1sts to KC if a deal can’t be reached before draft day.

The Vikings are a veteran team and Zygi should go “all in” now if he want’s to get his stadium built.

The status quo won’t get it done. Two 1sts for Allen is like drafting one superstar and one bust. Compare it to the Vikings previous 1st rounders and it really doesn’t seem all that risky after all if Allen plugs a major hole preventing us from contending:

2007, 7 - Adrian Peterson - Budding superstar
2006, 17 - Chad Greenway - Injured entire rookie year
2005, 7 - Troy Williamson - Big time bust, no longer with team
2004, 20 - Kenechi Udeze - Starter but no superstar
2003, 9 - Kevin Williams - Superstar
2002, 7 - Bryant McKinnie - Solid starter
2001, 27 - Michael Bennett - Mediocre, no longer with team
2000, 25 - Chris Hovan - Mediocre, no longer with team

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17598 wingnut Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:01:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17598 Hey with all do respect to Adrian, he had a great "Rookie Season" last year and he will probably have many more if he stays healthy. PURPLE JESUS??????? Hey with all do respect to Adrian, he had a great “Rookie Season” last year and he will probably have many more if he stays healthy.

PURPLE JESUS???????

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]]> By: MNRunLeft http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17597 MNRunLeft Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:59:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17597 While I don't think it's a no brainer it is definitely a viable option for the Vikings. Future picks are usually valued a round lower so according to todays value the Vikings would be offering 2 2nd's for JA. If the Vikings were to add Berrian, Williams and Allen plus get a OT like Chris Williams or Jeff Otah at 17 and still have a 2nd and 2 3rds in the 08 draft to fill other holes they have the potential to be competing with Dallas and the Giants for the NFC crown. While I don’t think it’s a no brainer it is definitely a viable option for the Vikings. Future picks are usually valued a round lower so according to todays value the Vikings would be offering 2 2nd’s for JA. If the Vikings were to add Berrian, Williams and Allen plus get a OT like Chris Williams or Jeff Otah at 17 and still have a 2nd and 2 3rds in the 08 draft to fill other holes they have the potential to be competing with Dallas and the Giants for the NFC crown.

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]]> By: one3one http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17593 one3one Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:40:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17593 My Vikings haven't drafted a sucessful DE since Chris Doleman in 1985, even though they've tried many times. (Oh, and Kevin Williams doesn't count since he was drafted to be a UT / DT.) I am warming to this idea, actually. My first reaction was "pay now, you never know what will happen next year or the year after." But, if the Vikings don't succeed in a big way soon, they'll be headed for LA and that new stadium and I won't care about the missing draft picks anyways! My Vikings haven’t drafted a sucessful DE since Chris Doleman in 1985, even though they’ve tried many times. (Oh, and Kevin Williams doesn’t count since he was drafted to be a UT / DT.)

I am warming to this idea, actually. My first reaction was “pay now, you never know what will happen next year or the year after.” But, if the Vikings don’t succeed in a big way soon, they’ll be headed for LA and that new stadium and I won’t care about the missing draft picks anyways!

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]]> By: Mncarkingpin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17591 Mncarkingpin Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:38:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17591 One word for everyone that's worried about Jared Allen getting into trouble off the field and being suspended..."I-N-T-E-R-N"!!! "Hey Bob, boy do I have a job for you...are you still a Vikings Intern that's moonlighting at Kinko's everynight to make ends meat? You are? Wow...well, how's this sound to you. We'll give you $100k/year salary, this company car, and whatever else you'll need to be Jared Allen's personal assistant and get him whatever he needs...what do you think? Well, yeah...you would kinda be his glorified towel boy but dude, he's a Rockstar...just take this cell phone and don't let him drive anywhere. If you run into trouble or any other sticky situations just use that phone and call HQ! Naaaah, there isn't anything illegal or wrong about it...we're just protecting our investment. You'll do it? Great"! Problem solved! One word for everyone that’s worried about Jared Allen getting into trouble off the field and being suspended…”I-N-T-E-R-N”!!!

“Hey Bob, boy do I have a job for you…are you still a Vikings Intern that’s moonlighting at Kinko’s everynight to make ends meat? You are? Wow…well, how’s this sound to you. We’ll give you $100k/year salary, this company car, and whatever else you’ll need to be Jared
Allen’s personal assistant and get him whatever he needs…what do you think? Well, yeah…you would kinda be his glorified towel boy but dude, he’s a Rockstar…just take this cell phone and don’t let him drive anywhere. If you run into trouble or any other sticky situations just use that phone and call HQ! Naaaah, there isn’t anything illegal or wrong about it…we’re just protecting our investment. You’ll do it? Great”!

Problem solved!

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]]> By: vikings=superbowl http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17575 vikings=superbowl Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:37:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17575 this is a good deal for the vikings. first off, this is the NFL not Madden. you can find quality players in late rounds. hell, Jared Aleen is a fourth rounder. with the weak NFC north, and the team we have now, there is a good chance of us being a playoff contender for a couple of years. all we need is a defensive end that can take advantage of the double teams the Williams wall provides. Plus, zig is looking to fund a new stadium. Drafting purple Jesus last year was a step in the right direction, but having a team that preforms well in the playoffs, which we have a chance to do with a player of his caliber coupled with what we already have, could put it over the top and make him an even richer man than he already is. this is a good deal for the vikings. first off, this is the NFL not Madden. you can find quality players in late rounds. hell, Jared Aleen is a fourth rounder. with the weak NFC north, and the team we have now, there is a good chance of us being a playoff contender for a couple of years. all we need is a defensive end that can take advantage of the double teams the Williams wall provides. Plus, zig is looking to fund a new stadium. Drafting purple Jesus last year was a step in the right direction, but having a team that preforms well in the playoffs, which we have a chance to do with a player of his caliber coupled with what we already have, could put it over the top and make him an even richer man than he already is.

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]]> By: Ca_Viking http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17572 Ca_Viking Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:23:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17572 All of this talk about Jackson going down. I wouldn't use a #1 on a QB because they down pan out. Look at the #1's Couch, McNown, Leaf. To quote a great writer "using a first-round pick on a quarterback remains a crapshoot" http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=399701 The best QB in the leauge, Brady, is a #5 and Romo is a #4 All of this talk about Jackson going down. I wouldn’t use a #1 on a QB because they down pan out. Look at the #1’s Couch, McNown, Leaf.

To quote a great writer “using a first-round pick on a quarterback remains a crapshoot” http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=399701

The best QB in the leauge, Brady, is a #5 and Romo is a #4

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]]> By: bgman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17565 bgman Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:19:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17565 Giving up their 2009 and 2010 1st round picks would be a huge gamble. If Tavaris Jackson improves and becomes a quality starter, they could make a deep playoff run and shouldn't have any holes to fill that can't be done with 2nd and 3rd round picks. But if Jackson doesn't improve, they have no means to get a franchise QB. And by the time they would be able to get a franchise QB, and he was ready to take over, players like Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Bryant McKinnie, Bernard Berriand, Chester Taylor, Pat and Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Darren Sharper, Antoine Winfield and others would be either retired, on the decline, or nearing the productive end of their careers. Heck even Adrian Peterson should only have a limited number of productive years, many of which would be gone by that time. Giving up their 2009 and 2010 1st round picks would be a huge gamble.

If Tavaris Jackson improves and becomes a quality starter, they could make a deep playoff run and shouldn’t have any holes to fill that can’t be done with 2nd and 3rd round picks.

But if Jackson doesn’t improve, they have no means to get a franchise QB. And by the time they would be able to get a franchise QB, and he was ready to take over, players like Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Bryant McKinnie, Bernard Berriand, Chester Taylor, Pat and Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Darren Sharper, Antoine Winfield and others would be either retired, on the decline, or nearing the productive end of their careers.

Heck even Adrian Peterson should only have a limited number of productive years, many of which would be gone by that time.

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]]> By: a Cheerleader http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17564 a Cheerleader Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:17:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17564 Guys I understand the mentality that you shouldn't trade away a ton of picks because who knows what could happen to your star player, but the same thing can be said of almost any star on any team. Colts are dead without Manning, etc. etc. etc. its just a risk that you have to take if you think you are a Super Bowl team. Is Jared Allen worth two first rounders? Well, maybe he's not, but it's hard to argue if he's going to fill the missing piece of the puzzle for us. Sure, we still need help at QB, but if our defense steps up and becomes top 5 in the league, that is quite a bit of pressure off of Jackson (or whomever is in the lineup, for that matter). With our recent success of drafting first round defensive ends I'd rather gamble with Allen then take another unproven guy who *might* end up being as good as him. Guys I understand the mentality that you shouldn’t trade away a ton of picks because who knows what could happen to your star player, but the same thing can be said of almost any star on any team. Colts are dead without Manning, etc. etc. etc. its just a risk that you have to take if you think you are a Super Bowl team.

Is Jared Allen worth two first rounders? Well, maybe he’s not, but it’s hard to argue if he’s going to fill the missing piece of the puzzle for us. Sure, we still need help at QB, but if our defense steps up and becomes top 5 in the league, that is quite a bit of pressure off of Jackson (or whomever is in the lineup, for that matter).

With our recent success of drafting first round defensive ends I’d rather gamble with Allen then take another unproven guy who *might* end up being as good as him.

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]]> By: drhanniballector http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17563 drhanniballector Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:11:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17563 it makes no sense to give up 2 first round picks. they should just draft an end with their no.1 and hold on to their 2009 1st rounder to add another playernext year rather than signing a guy who could be an off the field risk. it makes no sense to give up 2 first round picks. they should just draft an end with their no.1 and hold on to their 2009 1st rounder to add another playernext year rather than signing a guy who could be an off the field risk.

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]]> By: unga http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17560 unga Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:00:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17560 I hope this goes down as the rumor states. Would be wonderful to see King Carl get hit with a poison pill. I hope this goes down as the rumor states. Would be wonderful to see King Carl get hit with a poison pill.

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]]> By: BBrophy1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17557 BBrophy1 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:46:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17557 It's better to pay later than pay now but I think it's crazy to pay that ransom at all/ If Tarvaris Jackson blows out his knee in October then the season is lost as well as the following season since he isn't a veteran with a good grasp of the QB position and system the Vikings use. That makes those 2 first round picks very valuable because they can't swing a deal for Brady Quinn or grab a replacement in the draft. The fans are stuck with Gus Frerotte and tha won't sell many tickets 2009 and 2010 It’s better to pay later than pay now but I think it’s crazy to pay that ransom at all/ If Tarvaris Jackson blows out his knee in October then the season is lost as well as the following season since he isn’t a veteran with a good grasp of the QB position and system the Vikings use. That makes those 2 first round picks very valuable because they can’t swing a deal for Brady Quinn or grab a replacement in the draft. The fans are stuck with Gus Frerotte and tha won’t sell many tickets 2009 and 2010

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]]> By: mark noiseux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17551 mark noiseux Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:12:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17551 Is Allen really worth 2 first round picks? Even if the Vikes make the playoffs both years thus sending mid to late 1st round picks to the Chiefs (and that is a big if with their QB situation) why would you do it? Especially given that he seems to be one arrest away from getting an invollentary vacation. Makes you wonder if the Vikes have less confidence in their own college scouting as to go after a "known commodity" in Allen. This years draft is loaded with DE's and OLB's. I don't get it. Or maybe the Vikes have some great foresite about the value and quality of the draft the next 2 years at the back end of the 1st round. Maybe they surmise the value of 2 top 32 players coming out the next 2 years is not worth what Allen can/will give them now. But that would liken them to the draft planning of the Patriots. Even the Pats would not ever make that deal for a player such as Allen. Is Allen really worth 2 first round picks? Even if the Vikes make the playoffs both years thus sending mid to late 1st round picks to the Chiefs (and that is a big if with their QB situation) why would you do it? Especially given that he seems to be one arrest away from getting an invollentary vacation. Makes you wonder if the Vikes have less confidence in their own college scouting as to go after a “known commodity” in Allen. This years draft is loaded with DE’s and OLB’s. I don’t get it. Or maybe the Vikes have some great foresite about the value and quality of the draft the next 2 years at the back end of the 1st round. Maybe they surmise the value of 2 top 32 players coming out the next 2 years is not worth what Allen can/will give them now. But that would liken them to the draft planning of the Patriots. Even the Pats would not ever make that deal for a player such as Allen.

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]]> By: TexasVike http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17547 TexasVike Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:02:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/20/absent-trade-vikes-likely-to-sign-allen-after-draft/#comment-17547 This is a deal I can handle. The vikes would lose two first rounders, yes, but I think this year's #1 is more important than people realize with the looming suspension of McKinney. Of course, this all depends on T-Jax actually panning out and turning the vikes into a playoff team the next two years....yikes. This is a deal I can handle. The vikes would lose two first rounders, yes, but I think this year’s #1 is more important than people realize with the looming suspension of McKinney. Of course, this all depends on T-Jax actually panning out and turning the vikes into a playoff team the next two years….yikes.

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