We received a text message and a phone call late Saturday/early Sunday from a league source who shared with us a curious development regarding the Minnesota Vikings’ ongoing efforts to acquire Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen.
Per the source, the Vikings are “likely” to sign Allen to an offer sheet after next weekend’s draft, if a “fair” trade can’t be worked out before then.
The move meshes with the idea that came us to like an acorn to a blind squirrel on Saturday. With the Chiefs reportedly wanting a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Allen, why not simply nab Allen with a poison-pilled offer sheet and foist on the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2009 and 2010?
The fact that the Vikes apparently plan to pursue this tactic is a strong indication that Allen’s visit to the Twin Cities has resulted in an agreement between the player and the Purple regarding the money that will be paid to the NFL’s sack leader in 2008.
But there’s a wild card in this scenario. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are reportedly interested in Allen, and could be squeezed into besting the Vikings’ pre-draft trade offer if the Bucs know that Allen would otherwise be poised to sign a post-draft offer sheet in Minnesota.
Then again, if Allen has made up his mind that he wants to play in the land of 10,000 lakes (but hopefully not 0.10 percent BAC), the Bucs will be out of the picture, and the question will be whether the Vikings get him before the draft, or after it.
A couple of readers have asked us whether the Vikings could sign Allen to an offer sheet right now, since it’s less than seven days before the first day of the draft. But even though a team with a franchise player has up to seven days to decide whether to match an offer sheet that he signs, the team can also decide before the seven days expire to not match it. In this case, doing so would give the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2008 and 2009.
And since the Chiefs would surely prefer to get extra draft picks for Allen right now (especially since G.M. Carl Peterson might not be around to use picks in 2009 and/or 2010), it’ll be critical for the Vikings to dust off the poison pill, if they want to be sure to acquire Allen. Otherwise, the Vikes will have merely negotiated on the Chiefs’ behalf Allen’s long-term contract to stay in Kansas City.
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April 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am
This is a deal I can handle. The vikes would lose two first rounders, yes, but I think this year’s #1 is more important than people realize with the looming suspension of McKinney. Of course, this all depends on T-Jax actually panning out and turning the vikes into a playoff team the next two years….yikes.
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April 20th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Is Allen really worth 2 first round picks? Even if the Vikes make the playoffs both years thus sending mid to late 1st round picks to the Chiefs (and that is a big if with their QB situation) why would you do it? Especially given that he seems to be one arrest away from getting an invollentary vacation. Makes you wonder if the Vikes have less confidence in their own college scouting as to go after a “known commodity” in Allen. This years draft is loaded with DE’s and OLB’s. I don’t get it. Or maybe the Vikes have some great foresite about the value and quality of the draft the next 2 years at the back end of the 1st round. Maybe they surmise the value of 2 top 32 players coming out the next 2 years is not worth what Allen can/will give them now. But that would liken them to the draft planning of the Patriots. Even the Pats would not ever make that deal for a player such as Allen.
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April 20th, 2008 at 10:46 am
It’s better to pay later than pay now but I think it’s crazy to pay that ransom at all/ If Tarvaris Jackson blows out his knee in October then the season is lost as well as the following season since he isn’t a veteran with a good grasp of the QB position and system the Vikings use. That makes those 2 first round picks very valuable because they can’t swing a deal for Brady Quinn or grab a replacement in the draft. The fans are stuck with Gus Frerotte and tha won’t sell many tickets 2009 and 2010
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April 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I hope this goes down as the rumor states. Would be wonderful to see King Carl get hit with a poison pill.
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April 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am
it makes no sense to give up 2 first round picks. they should just draft an end with their no.1 and hold on to their 2009 1st rounder to add another playernext year rather than signing a guy who could be an off the field risk.
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April 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Guys I understand the mentality that you shouldn’t trade away a ton of picks because who knows what could happen to your star player, but the same thing can be said of almost any star on any team. Colts are dead without Manning, etc. etc. etc. its just a risk that you have to take if you think you are a Super Bowl team.
Is Jared Allen worth two first rounders? Well, maybe he’s not, but it’s hard to argue if he’s going to fill the missing piece of the puzzle for us. Sure, we still need help at QB, but if our defense steps up and becomes top 5 in the league, that is quite a bit of pressure off of Jackson (or whomever is in the lineup, for that matter).
With our recent success of drafting first round defensive ends I’d rather gamble with Allen then take another unproven guy who *might* end up being as good as him.
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April 20th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Giving up their 2009 and 2010 1st round picks would be a huge gamble.
If Tavaris Jackson improves and becomes a quality starter, they could make a deep playoff run and shouldn’t have any holes to fill that can’t be done with 2nd and 3rd round picks.
But if Jackson doesn’t improve, they have no means to get a franchise QB. And by the time they would be able to get a franchise QB, and he was ready to take over, players like Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Bryant McKinnie, Bernard Berriand, Chester Taylor, Pat and Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Darren Sharper, Antoine Winfield and others would be either retired, on the decline, or nearing the productive end of their careers.
Heck even Adrian Peterson should only have a limited number of productive years, many of which would be gone by that time.
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April 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
All of this talk about Jackson going down. I wouldn’t use a #1 on a QB because they down pan out. Look at the #1’s Couch, McNown, Leaf.
To quote a great writer “using a first-round pick on a quarterback remains a crapshoot” http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=399701
The best QB in the leauge, Brady, is a #5 and Romo is a #4
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April 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
this is a good deal for the vikings. first off, this is the NFL not Madden. you can find quality players in late rounds. hell, Jared Aleen is a fourth rounder. with the weak NFC north, and the team we have now, there is a good chance of us being a playoff contender for a couple of years. all we need is a defensive end that can take advantage of the double teams the Williams wall provides. Plus, zig is looking to fund a new stadium. Drafting purple Jesus last year was a step in the right direction, but having a team that preforms well in the playoffs, which we have a chance to do with a player of his caliber coupled with what we already have, could put it over the top and make him an even richer man than he already is.
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April 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
One word for everyone that’s worried about Jared Allen getting into trouble off the field and being suspended…”I-N-T-E-R-N”!!!
“Hey Bob, boy do I have a job for you…are you still a Vikings Intern that’s moonlighting at Kinko’s everynight to make ends meat? You are? Wow…well, how’s this sound to you. We’ll give you $100k/year salary, this company car, and whatever else you’ll need to be Jared
Allen’s personal assistant and get him whatever he needs…what do you think? Well, yeah…you would kinda be his glorified towel boy but dude, he’s a Rockstar…just take this cell phone and don’t let him drive anywhere. If you run into trouble or any other sticky situations just use that phone and call HQ! Naaaah, there isn’t anything illegal or wrong about it…we’re just protecting our investment. You’ll do it? Great”!
Problem solved!
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April 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
My Vikings haven’t drafted a sucessful DE since Chris Doleman in 1985, even though they’ve tried many times. (Oh, and Kevin Williams doesn’t count since he was drafted to be a UT / DT.)
I am warming to this idea, actually. My first reaction was “pay now, you never know what will happen next year or the year after.” But, if the Vikings don’t succeed in a big way soon, they’ll be headed for LA and that new stadium and I won’t care about the missing draft picks anyways!
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April 20th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
While I don’t think it’s a no brainer it is definitely a viable option for the Vikings. Future picks are usually valued a round lower so according to todays value the Vikings would be offering 2 2nd’s for JA. If the Vikings were to add Berrian, Williams and Allen plus get a OT like Chris Williams or Jeff Otah at 17 and still have a 2nd and 2 3rds in the 08 draft to fill other holes they have the potential to be competing with Dallas and the Giants for the NFC crown.
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Hey with all do respect to Adrian, he had a great “Rookie Season” last year and he will probably have many more if he stays healthy.
PURPLE JESUS???????
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Risky yes, but I have no problem with taking a chance on sending the 09,10 1sts to KC if a deal can’t be reached before draft day.
The Vikings are a veteran team and Zygi should go “all in” now if he want’s to get his stadium built.
The status quo won’t get it done. Two 1sts for Allen is like drafting one superstar and one bust. Compare it to the Vikings previous 1st rounders and it really doesn’t seem all that risky after all if Allen plugs a major hole preventing us from contending:
2007, 7 - Adrian Peterson - Budding superstar
2006, 17 - Chad Greenway - Injured entire rookie year
2005, 7 - Troy Williamson - Big time bust, no longer with team
2004, 20 - Kenechi Udeze - Starter but no superstar
2003, 9 - Kevin Williams - Superstar
2002, 7 - Bryant McKinnie - Solid starter
2001, 27 - Michael Bennett - Mediocre, no longer with team
2000, 25 - Chris Hovan - Mediocre, no longer with team
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I understand all the worries about losing 2 first round draft picks and a ton of money for Allen. I can understand why people can call that a dumb move.
Here’s what those people are missing:
1) First off.. Look at the Vikings history for drafting DE/DTs. Kevin Williams is the only one of those positions taken in the first round that has panned out in the past 5-10 years. Not to mention there is no outstanding DE player in this years draft.
2) Like ‘vikings=superbowl’ said, this is the NFL.. Not Madden 09. First round picks are not automatically all-star starters.
3) If you had watched the Vikings the past two years, you would know their defense is ONE great pass rusher away from being a top5 defense. (Personally, I think it would jump to number 1) Name a guy in the upcoming draft or in college now that the Vikings MAY have a chance in drafting that can do what Allen can do?
4) This is NOT another Herschell Walker trade, like many people are trying to claim it is. Whether or not Allen will play at the same level he has the past few years is unknown. But the Vikings would only be giving up 2 draft picks. 2. Not 7. And who’s to say they won’t pull a deal to get a first rounder in the future?
I say pull this trigger as soon as the draft is over.
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
The real question is would you trade Udeze and James for Allen. As a Vikings fan I have to believe everyone would say yes. That is the same as what this would be except at least we know what we have with those two. There is just as much possiblity that the players in 09 and 10 will be worse than either of those player.
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April 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Question???? Would the Vikings have enough caproom to sign the #17 pick to a contract plus all other picks…Potentially absorb any cap hit if Mckinnie is cut..And Sign Jared Allen? I would think it would be in the best Interest to Sign Allen before the Draft.. And I though the league would have outlawed/discouraged poison pill clauses by now…Especially after the media attention that Steve Hutchinson got
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April 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
The draft is such a crap shoot I think it is a good idea. Remember, the Vikes had two first round picks three years ago (Williamson and James) and both are busts. Money spent on proven commodities is money much better spent.
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April 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
If im the chiefs, i wait and take the first round picks. Granted allen led the leauge in sacks last year, but didnt burgess do that the year or two before?
sounds like some weak tackles play in the west.
I take the picks,. the chiefs are looking to re organize their oline. well they can do that with two first woundrers this year and next.
If im a vickings fan. I Pray this deal dont get done
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April 20th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
the vikings should consider unloading mckinnie and trying to keep this years 1st round and using on a Jeff Otah
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April 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
A potentially crazy thought. The Bucs have traded a 7th round pick for a retired QB and the opportunity to get $4 million in bonus money - what if Tampa Bay wanted in onthe Allen deal? Tampa Bay could send a first and a second round pick to the Chiefs for the rights to Allen. Then even if Minnesota does sign Allen to an offer sheet past the draft, the Bucs have turned one of their second round picks into one of the Vikings first round picks. Does the CBA prohibit a scenario in which, say the Vikings make a poison-pill offer to Allen, the Chiefs trade his rights to the Bucs, and the Bucs then have the right of refusal - but since the poison-pill targets Kansas City, the Bucs swoop in and get Allen for the first and second round price tag? Could make sense for Peterson if he thinks he’s on the hot seat and would rather have two 2009 draft picks to work with rather than waiting until 2010 for the second Minnesota first round pick. Now, somebody tell me why I’m crazy.
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April 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
You have to love the logic of this. “You want a first and second rounder? Forget it! We’ll give you TWO first rounders and you’ll just have to live with it!”
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April 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
If any one wants a case study in why any team should not buy into the hype and give up their future because they think they will be good look no further than the No. 7 spot. Just when it looked like things would get a little more balanced with New England suffering some attrition and losing some draft picks, these clowns go out and hand them a no. 7 pick after reading the fist wrap. Minnesota you are no San Fran, I bet KC has a top 3 pick the next two years.
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April 20th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Im thinking the opposite.
This Trade or signing, better benefits the chiefs.
The Chiefs objective is to revamp their oline.
with two first round picks this year in a draft that is deep at ot, they will be about to do that.
Derrick Burgess lead the leauge in sacks a few years ago. and jared allen this year. that tell me, that the olines in the west are WEAK.
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April 20th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Tavaris Jackson sucks.
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