Comments on: NEW TRADE CHART AN EFFORT BY EAGLES TO MOVE UP? http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:14:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17888 monger Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:33:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17888 Give me a break. If a GM really uses that idiotic draft chart to determine a trade, the guy should be fired on the spot. Give me a break. If a GM really uses that idiotic draft chart to determine a trade, the guy should be fired on the spot.

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]]> By: narrabeen23 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17494 narrabeen23 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:51:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17494 lol my bad, i get jean gilles and bunkley mixed up... lol my bad, i get jean gilles and bunkley mixed up…

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]]> By: TheVet700 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17458 TheVet700 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:20:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17458 The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE. Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy(Times Yours)Reid's Track record With first round picks with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For The NFL?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Time’s yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first rounds pick’s only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he trade last years pick to the @%%^%$&&* Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE! So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT! The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE.
Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy(Times Yours)Reid’s Track record With first round picks with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For The NFL?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Time’s yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first rounds pick’s only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he trade last years pick to the @%%^%$&&* Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE!

So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT!

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]]> By: smilergrogan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17453 smilergrogan Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:35:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17453 Treez: all teams use a chart they didn't create because jimmy johnson created the one used up til now and he isnt with a team anymore. In my opinion, even with Lito, the Eagles won't move up to the top few picks; they value draft picks too much to give enough away to get there (under any chart). In my estimation, if they are behind this, it would be for the purpose of allowing a trade partner (Cincinnati or Buffalo maybe) to move up to the top by devaluing the first few and raising the value of the next several. Personally, unless part of a deal to get Johnson, Williams, Boldin, or a similar quality guy, I wish they would keep Lito and sweeten his deal for the next two years by about a million per. Three (or four) good corners are necessary anyway. Had they kept Rod Hood last year, they would have been way better off last year when Lito went down. They have enough picks to draft a O Lineman with 19, and then in my judgement they should pick Chris Johnson of East Carolina in the second. He solves the kickoff return issue and may in time eventually develop into another Westbrook but with the fastest speed at the combine this year. As some other have suggested, since leaguewide no one has a good idea how to draft wideouts, and the Eagles who picked Freddie Mitchell instead of Reggie Wayne are foremost in striking out on drafting wides, they should draft three or four in the middle to late rounds and hope to catch lightning in a bottle like Buddy Ryan's feat of drafting four wideouts in 1990. Buddy;s second round pick was a bust, but Fred Barnett in the third and Calvin Williams in the fifth both ended up as starters. They only need one Fred Barnett, whose speed would have actually matched up well with the Eagles current recievers. Treez: all teams use a chart they didn’t create because jimmy johnson created the one used up til now and he isnt with a team anymore.

In my opinion, even with Lito, the Eagles won’t move up to the top few picks; they value draft picks too much to give enough away to get there (under any chart). In my estimation, if they are behind this, it would be for the purpose of allowing a trade partner (Cincinnati or Buffalo maybe) to move up to the top by devaluing the first few and raising the value of the next several.

Personally, unless part of a deal to get Johnson, Williams, Boldin, or a similar quality guy, I wish they would keep Lito and sweeten his deal for the next two years by about a million per. Three (or four) good corners are necessary anyway. Had they kept Rod Hood last year, they would have been way better off last year when Lito went down. They have enough picks to draft a O Lineman with 19, and then in my judgement they should pick Chris Johnson of East Carolina in the second. He solves the kickoff return issue and may in time eventually develop into another Westbrook but with the fastest speed at the combine this year.

As some other have suggested, since leaguewide no one has a good idea how to draft wideouts, and the Eagles who picked Freddie Mitchell instead of Reggie Wayne are foremost in striking out on drafting wides, they should draft three or four in the middle to late rounds and hope to catch lightning in a bottle like Buddy Ryan’s feat of drafting four wideouts in 1990. Buddy;s second round pick was a bust, but Fred Barnett in the third and Calvin Williams in the fifth both ended up as starters. They only need one Fred Barnett, whose speed would have actually matched up well with the Eagles current recievers.

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]]> By: Trench http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17430 Trench Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:26:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17430 I am an Eagled fan and wanted to read some draft thoughts and I am bombarded with Jean-Gilles being the reason why the Eagles don't want Glenn Dorsey. Then Devin Thomas changed his name to Devin Williamson. I lost at least 50 brain cells reading those comments. I am an Eagled fan and wanted to read some draft thoughts and I am bombarded with Jean-Gilles being the reason why the Eagles don’t want Glenn Dorsey. Then Devin Thomas changed his name to Devin Williamson. I lost at least 50 brain cells reading those comments.

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]]> By: EskinSux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17412 EskinSux Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:46:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17412 This sounds like something the Eagles Brass would do. After all, Lurie, Banner and Reid, invented football, the salary cap, why not the draft. This is the "Gold Standard". This sounds like something the Eagles Brass would do. After all, Lurie, Banner and Reid, invented football, the salary cap, why not the draft. This is the “Gold Standard”.

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]]> By: JayPhilly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17386 JayPhilly Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:18:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17386 I never understood why the Draft Chart is set in stone anyway. I think it's a solid guide for a team, but the fact of the matter is that if a GM think he is making at trade that sets his team up better for the future, he should pull the trigger. Luckily for the Dolphins, Parcells is one GM/Overseer/Whatever he is that absolutely does not care, or even need to care about what public opinion if he makes a trade. I'm an Eagle fan, but if I were a Dolphins fan I would feel great knowing Parcells is making the decisions. If he thinks a trade is better for my 1-15 team, who am I to argue with The Godfather of the NFL? Parcells has that type of credibility that he can be the one to buck the trade chart without fear of losing face. If he wants to, more power to him. GO BIRDS! And with Westbrook approaching 30, I'm sure they'll be looking for someone to replace him...though I doubt it would be DMC. I never understood why the Draft Chart is set in stone anyway. I think it’s a solid guide for a team, but the fact of the matter is that if a GM think he is making at trade that sets his team up better for the future, he should pull the trigger. Luckily for the Dolphins, Parcells is one GM/Overseer/Whatever he is that absolutely does not care, or even need to care about what public opinion if he makes a trade. I’m an Eagle fan, but if I were a Dolphins fan I would feel great knowing Parcells is making the decisions. If he thinks a trade is better for my 1-15 team, who am I to argue with The Godfather of the NFL? Parcells has that type of credibility that he can be the one to buck the trade chart without fear of losing face. If he wants to, more power to him. GO BIRDS!

And with Westbrook approaching 30, I’m sure they’ll be looking for someone to replace him…though I doubt it would be DMC.

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]]> By: mark noiseux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17376 mark noiseux Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:37:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17376 Hmmmm..... why go through all this trade chart modification? as if someone in the top 4 picks wants an official new trade chart? most teams would just make a trade based on how their needs fit into the value of this draft and therefore make a trade down from the top 4 picks taking maybe a little less than the present trade chart value guideline. so what team in the top 4 picks is most concerned about how a trade down would be perceived by a prudent man, John Q. Public? If I recall St. Louis Rams are presently operating under the scrutiny of the probate court because the longtime owner died somewhat recently. Additionally there seems to be 3 different factions potentially battling each other for control over the franchise. So any major move by the existing management will be potentially used by one of the 3 competing ownership groups to mount a challenge to the existing controlling party. So if the Rams traded down from #2 overall and took in return anything less than the existing trade chart value table then that could be just enough for one of the potential ownership groups (3 different parties, all with less than majority share) to challenge the existing controlling party of the franchise. Even if the move was to save money on rookie contracts. So that would possibly explain why there is a lot of chatter about modifying the existing trade chart. My hunch is the counter party to the Eagles would be the Rams. Hmmmm….. why go through all this trade chart modification? as if someone in the top 4 picks wants an official new trade chart? most teams would just make a trade based on how their needs fit into the value of this draft and therefore make a trade down from the top 4 picks taking maybe a little less than the present trade chart value guideline. so what team in the top 4 picks is most concerned about how a trade down would be perceived by a prudent man, John Q. Public? If I recall St. Louis Rams are presently operating under the scrutiny of the probate court because the longtime owner died somewhat recently. Additionally there seems to be 3 different factions potentially battling each other for control over the franchise. So any major move by the existing management will be potentially used by one of the 3 competing ownership groups to mount a challenge to the existing controlling party.
So if the Rams traded down from #2 overall and took in return anything less than the existing trade chart value table then that could be just enough for one of the potential ownership groups (3 different parties, all with less than majority share) to challenge the existing controlling party of the franchise. Even if the move was to save money on rookie contracts. So that would possibly explain why there is a lot of chatter about modifying the existing trade chart. My hunch is the counter party to the Eagles would be the Rams.

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]]> By: TheVet700 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17365 TheVet700 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:20:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17365 The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE. Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy(Times Yours)Reid first round picks track recored with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For Football?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Times yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first rounds picks only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he trade last years pick to the @%%^%$&&* Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE! So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT! The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE.
Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy(Times Yours)Reid first round picks track recored with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For Football?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Times yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first rounds picks only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he trade last years pick to the @%%^%$&&* Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE!

So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT!

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]]> By: TheVet700 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17362 TheVet700 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:09:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17362 The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE. Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy (Times Yours) Reid track record with first round picks with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For Football?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Times yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first round pick’s only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he traded last years pick to the (F@%%^%$&&*N) Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE! So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT! The Bird’s do not have the greatest track record when it comes to moving up in the draft to take a DE.
Less we forget the before mentioned Mike (One Move) Mamula or Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. Not to mention Andy (Times Yours) Reid track record with first round picks with the exception of Donovan (Pro Bowl), Shawn Andrews (Pro Bowl) and Lito (Soon to be traded) Sheppard (Pro Bowl). We have Freddie (Arena League) Mitchell, Corey (To Fat For Football?) Simon and the before mentioned Jerome (Shoot Me if you can) McDougle. The Schools still out on Mike (It’s my stash) Patterson and Brodrick(The Truck) Bunkley. So by my count to of Andy (Times yours) Reid. Out of his 9 first round pick’s only 4 will be in training camp this year 1 will be traded 1 will be cut and 2 will be begging for food. That could be a good thing for Corey the less food he has the better unless he deices to eat Freddie. Wait that’s only 8 oh yeah he traded last years pick to the (F@%%^%$&&*N) Cowboy’s. And you guessed it they took a DE!

So when someone tells me that the EAGLES are trying to manipulate the draft I say sure and the world is FLAT!

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]]> By: flyeaglesfly2010 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17342 flyeaglesfly2010 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:34:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17342 "Glenn Dorsey? I doubt it cuz they like Jean Gilles and Patterson is good too" I guess Max Jean Gilles switched from O-Guard to D-tackle, I hope he told the Eagles that. “Glenn Dorsey? I doubt it cuz they like Jean Gilles and Patterson is good too”

I guess Max Jean Gilles switched from O-Guard to D-tackle, I hope he told the Eagles that.

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17341 Bob S. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:31:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17341 ".. .. the suspicion that is being directed at the Eagles confirms our belief that any meaningful change to the trade chart can come only after the draft and before the start of the regular season,.. .." Your conclusion is 100% correct. “.. .. the suspicion that is being directed at the Eagles confirms our belief that any meaningful change to the trade chart can come only after the draft and before the start of the regular season,.. ..”

Your conclusion is 100% correct.

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17331 Treez Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:20:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17331 Silly theory. Like any team would go off of a chart they didn't create. Please. Silly theory. Like any team would go off of a chart they didn’t create. Please.

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]]> By: ZenGreaser http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17330 ZenGreaser Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:20:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17330 Narrabeen, what does Max Jean-Gilles have anything to do with drafting or not drafting Glenn Dorsey. Last time I checked, Jean-Gilles was a Guard...that's an offensive position, in case you were unaware. The two reasons they have for not considering Dorsey (in the event they do move up) are Patterson and Bunkley. Narrabeen, what does Max Jean-Gilles have anything to do with drafting or not drafting Glenn Dorsey. Last time I checked, Jean-Gilles was a Guard…that’s an offensive position, in case you were unaware. The two reasons they have for not considering Dorsey (in the event they do move up) are Patterson and Bunkley.

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]]> By: ZenGreaser http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17327 ZenGreaser Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:15:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17327 Narrabeen, what does liking Max Jean-Gilles have anything to do with Glenn Dorsey? Last time I checked, Jean-Gilles was a Guard...that's an offensive position, in case you didn't know. The two reasons they wouldn't draft Dorsey (if they moved up) would be Patterson and Bunkley. Narrabeen, what does liking Max Jean-Gilles have anything to do with Glenn Dorsey? Last time I checked, Jean-Gilles was a Guard…that’s an offensive position, in case you didn’t know. The two reasons they wouldn’t draft Dorsey (if they moved up) would be Patterson and Bunkley.

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]]> By: Gmoney http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17325 Gmoney Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:44:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17325 wasn't Dewayne Robertson of the Jets at the Nova Care Complex Friday? Could a Shepard/Robertson and swap of 1st roundes be in order? wasn’t Dewayne Robertson of the Jets at the Nova Care Complex Friday? Could a Shepard/Robertson and swap of 1st roundes be in order?

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]]> By: yahmpy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17323 yahmpy Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:32:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17323 I think Florio is confusing the Eagles clout with the Patriots, lol. All of the sudden Andy Reid is Dr. Evil? I'm supposed to believe the guy who is masterminding the upheaval of the entire draft process is the same guy who thought he could win a Super Bowl with James Thrash as a #1 wide receiver? Come on Mike, stop it. My stomach hurts from laughing so much at this story. I think Florio is confusing the Eagles clout with the Patriots, lol.

All of the sudden Andy Reid is Dr. Evil? I’m supposed to believe the guy who is masterminding the upheaval of the entire draft process is the same guy who thought he could win a Super Bowl with James Thrash as a #1 wide receiver?

Come on Mike, stop it. My stomach hurts from laughing so much at this story.

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]]> By: Danomack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17321 Danomack Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:24:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17321 Patriots are trading back to 10 so the Saints can get Ellis before the Bengals do. They then will trade that pick and a 3rd to the Eagles for Lito and #19 so the Eagles can get Devin Williamson before the Bills do. Swing and a miss at WR for the Eagles. Again. IMPEACH SPECTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Patriots are trading back to 10 so the Saints can get Ellis before the Bengals do. They then will trade that pick and a 3rd to the Eagles for Lito and #19 so the Eagles can get Devin Williamson before the Bills do. Swing and a miss at WR for the Eagles. Again.

IMPEACH SPECTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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]]> By: colemoore http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17319 colemoore Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:20:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17319 When Eagles President, Joe Banner, was talking about the new trade chart the other day he made it sound like it came from somewhere else. I got the impression that the Eagles weren't even one of the first three or four teams to have input into the new pick values. I'm not sure why the Eagles would hide something like that. In fact, they couldn't hide something like that. None of the other teams are going to take an anonymous draft chart seriously; the team(s) that developed it are going to have to stand behind it. I guess I'm saying I don't think the Eagles developed the new chart because Banner probably would have said so if they did. When Eagles President, Joe Banner, was talking about the new trade chart the other day he made it sound like it came from somewhere else. I got the impression that the Eagles weren’t even one of the first three or four teams to have input into the new pick values.

I’m not sure why the Eagles would hide something like that. In fact, they couldn’t hide something like that. None of the other teams are going to take an anonymous draft chart seriously; the team(s) that developed it are going to have to stand behind it.

I guess I’m saying I don’t think the Eagles developed the new chart because Banner probably would have said so if they did.

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]]> By: Mike Beckwith http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17311 Mike Beckwith Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:56:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17311 Andy Reid seems to have a love for OL or interior linemen with his high picks. I think it's a toss-up for either Jake Long or Dorsey. Either would have a big impact on that team. Andy Reid seems to have a love for OL or interior linemen with his high picks. I think it’s a toss-up for either Jake Long or Dorsey. Either would have a big impact on that team.

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]]> By: drhanniballector http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17310 drhanniballector Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:49:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17310 It's a lineman they're looking for. They traded up for a lineman, defensive end Jerome Mcdougal. They traded up for Shaun Andrews, an offensive tackle at the time. So obviously they're targeting a lineman, but i think it's Otah, not Jake or Chris Long. Lito isn't enough to jump 15-19 spots. I think they're looking to get up to picks 8-12 and take Otah. It’s a lineman they’re looking for. They traded up for a lineman, defensive end Jerome Mcdougal. They traded up for Shaun Andrews, an offensive tackle at the time. So obviously they’re targeting a lineman, but i think it’s Otah, not Jake or Chris Long. Lito isn’t enough to jump 15-19 spots. I think they’re looking to get up to picks 8-12 and take Otah.

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]]> By: narrabeen23 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17295 narrabeen23 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:55:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17295 If its true that they wanna move up to the top 4, and for some reason I personally doubt it, it would be for Chris Long and ill tell you why. Jake Long? No way they trade up for him cuz there are tons of quality OT prospects in this draft, one of which is bound to drop to them, and they wouldn't have to pay top dollar if they just stayed put. Glenn Dorsey? I doubt it cuz they like Jean Gilles and Patterson is good too. Plus Balmer from UNC will be there. Run DMC? no cuz of westbrook. The only reason Chris Long makes any sense is cuz JJohnson needs to have 2-3 good pass rushers in order for his blitzes to work...while they brought in Clemons and they have Trent Cole, I think he is probably begging for 1 more guy. But honestly I just dont think they will do it, it would make for an interesting move but with the way the draft pick financials are set up I just don't see the point in risking it. Eagles, just keep Lito, draft a Olineman in the 1st, grab a wideout with some starting potential within the first 3 rounds, and draft a DE for Jimmy and I will be happy...or trade Lito and a 3rd for Ocho, that would be a risk that would be totally worth taking If its true that they wanna move up to the top 4, and for some reason I personally doubt it, it would be for Chris Long and ill tell you why.

Jake Long? No way they trade up for him cuz there are tons of quality OT prospects in this draft, one of which is bound to drop to them, and they wouldn’t have to pay top dollar if they just stayed put.

Glenn Dorsey? I doubt it cuz they like Jean Gilles and Patterson is good too. Plus Balmer from UNC will be there.

Run DMC? no cuz of westbrook.

The only reason Chris Long makes any sense is cuz JJohnson needs to have 2-3 good pass rushers in order for his blitzes to work…while they brought in Clemons and they have Trent Cole, I think he is probably begging for 1 more guy.

But honestly I just dont think they will do it, it would make for an interesting move but with the way the draft pick financials are set up I just don’t see the point in risking it.

Eagles, just keep Lito, draft a Olineman in the 1st, grab a wideout with some starting potential within the first 3 rounds, and draft a DE for Jimmy and I will be happy…or trade Lito and a 3rd for Ocho, that would be a risk that would be totally worth taking

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]]> By: MidnightGreenOmen555 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17288 MidnightGreenOmen555 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:16:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17288 The eagles could somehow grab the number one spot? That would be pretty sweet if they did. They must truly covet the best Offensive Linemen in this draft. Noway they'd be looking at any other player but a linemen. The eagles could somehow grab the number one spot? That would be pretty sweet if they did. They must truly covet the best Offensive Linemen in this draft. Noway they’d be looking at any other player but a linemen.

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]]> By: bgman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17284 bgman Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:04:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17284 The Eagles are trying to the top of the draft? Do they know Mike Mamula isn't in this draft? The Eagles are trying to the top of the draft? Do they know Mike Mamula isn’t in this draft?

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]]> By: andfitch82 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17283 andfitch82 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:58:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17283 I could see it happening, but it pretty much point to either Long being drafted. Fill the void at tackle since both Runyan and Thomas (whatever his name is this week) are both at a point where they have two good years left, or strike and fix the linebacking position to give Gaither a friend. I could see it happening, but it pretty much point to either Long being drafted. Fill the void at tackle since both Runyan and Thomas (whatever his name is this week) are both at a point where they have two good years left, or strike and fix the linebacking position to give Gaither a friend.

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]]> By: jgebers http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17282 jgebers Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:54:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17282 Eagles trade Sheppard to the Saints and swap 1st round picks? Eagles trade Sheppard to the Saints and swap 1st round picks?

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]]> By: PJW http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17281 PJW Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:53:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/18/new-trade-chart-an-effort-by-eagles-to-move-up/#comment-17281 Using the trade chart as a bible is garbage any way you look at it. It should only be a broad guide, the abundance (or lack of) talent in a draft class can greatly affect a picks worth. Using the trade chart as a bible is garbage any way you look at it.
It should only be a broad guide, the abundance (or lack of) talent in a draft class can greatly affect a picks worth.

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