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Comments on: PARCELLS IS SIMPLY BEING PARCELLS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:09:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: VeggieBurgher http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15623 VeggieBurgher Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:14:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15623 To answer the first comment, there would be zero repercussions for the agent. The player is the client and ultimately makes the decision, the agent just gives him advice, and it is very easy to justify the advice as having been given in good faith and reasonable. To answer the first comment, there would be zero repercussions for the agent. The player is the client and ultimately makes the decision, the agent just gives him advice, and it is very easy to justify the advice as having been given in good faith and reasonable.

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]]> By: RonInCharlotte http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15565 RonInCharlotte Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:44:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15565 Don't overstate the tax advantage either. The players have to pay state taxes based on the state they play in for each game. It isn't quite 1/16th because of preseason games and bonuses, but the portion of the salary earned on a particular field goes to that state for tax purposes. Don’t overstate the tax advantage either. The players have to pay state taxes based on the state they play in for each game.

It isn’t quite 1/16th because of preseason games and bonuses, but the portion of the salary earned on a particular field goes to that state for tax purposes.

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]]> By: kbtegp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15534 kbtegp Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:38:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15534 Don't overestimate the "no state income tax" card. Parcells needs to simply point out that any offer signed in Florida is worth X% more than any offer he might get. Agents look at the gross value of the deal. The players need to look at the net. Don’t overestimate the “no state income tax” card. Parcells needs to simply point out that any offer signed in Florida is worth X% more than any offer he might get. Agents look at the gross value of the deal. The players need to look at the net.

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]]> By: vexorg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15467 vexorg Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:47:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15467 The problem with legal liability for an agent who gives bad advice is that - with all the mock drafts out there - it is hard to show that an agent knew or should have known that his client would have suffered economically for not taking the offered deal. As long as the agent can say that in good faith he believed that his client wuld still have been drafted #1, or in good faith believed that he would be able to get his client more money from being drafted #2, #3, etc then there would not be liability. (Of course, if someone taped the agent saying 'yeah, Quinn might drop like a rock, but I don't want the egg of that deal on my face' then the agent's goose is cooked)... The problem with legal liability for an agent who gives bad advice is that - with all the mock drafts out there - it is hard to show that an agent knew or should have known that his client would have suffered economically for not taking the offered deal. As long as the agent can say that in good faith he believed that his client wuld still have been drafted #1, or in good faith believed that he would be able to get his client more money from being drafted #2, #3, etc then there would not be liability. (Of course, if someone taped the agent saying ‘yeah, Quinn might drop like a rock, but I don’t want the egg of that deal on my face’ then the agent’s goose is cooked)…

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]]> By: Floriologist http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15349 Floriologist Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:04:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15349 I dont understand why agents would be against a rookie cap. It means their commissions would come more from veteran contracts. 3% of a teams cap is 3% of the cap, be it rookies or vets. What is the difference? I dont understand why agents would be against a rookie cap. It means their commissions would come more from veteran contracts. 3% of a teams cap is 3% of the cap, be it rookies or vets. What is the difference?

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]]> By: WannyFanClub http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15340 WannyFanClub Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:37:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15340 It's also worth pointing out that Florida doesn't have a state income tax so any prospective #1 pick needs to factor that into his calculations. It’s also worth pointing out that Florida doesn’t have a state income tax so any prospective #1 pick needs to factor that into his calculations.

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]]> By: taylorlh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15321 taylorlh Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:34:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15321 I really think this could be an effort to trade with another team. If Miami signs Long to a decent contract, but SIGNS him, they can then trade him easier. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see the Dolphins take Jake Long, then trade him to someone else who loves him(St. Louis, Kansas City) for draft picks. I really think this could be an effort to trade with another team. If Miami signs Long to a decent contract, but SIGNS him, they can then trade him easier. I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see the Dolphins take Jake Long, then trade him to someone else who loves him(St. Louis, Kansas City) for draft picks.

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]]> By: Hooded swan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15318 Hooded swan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:26:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15318 Is there any source for what top picks have gotten the past several years? What about how much guys playing different positions have gotten in their rookie contracts? Is there any source for what top picks have gotten the past several years?
What about how much guys playing different positions have gotten in their rookie contracts?

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]]> By: Real Football Fan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15311 Real Football Fan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:03:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15311 @ stabtabulous The reports were $24 million last year on Quin, so it was common knowledge in the media circles and with NFL execs. I just don't understand how one guy was portrayed as a miser (Davis) who was trying to get a bargain with the first pick, but Parcells is seen as the saviour that will put an end to all this free spending only a year later, while employing essentially the same tactics. @ stabtabulous

The reports were $24 million last year on Quin, so it was common knowledge in the media circles and with NFL execs. I just don’t understand how one guy was portrayed as a miser (Davis) who was trying to get a bargain with the first pick, but Parcells is seen as the saviour that will put an end to all this free spending only a year later, while employing essentially the same tactics.

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]]> By: Phil in Austin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15303 Phil in Austin Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15303 Jake's agent can play Parcells just as easily as the other way around. Let's say Parcells gives Long a low-ball, take-it-or-leave-it offer. Long's agent shows this offer to the Rams and says "Give me a better deal, and I'll tell Parcells to stick it." If the Rams really want Long, then it's a good deal for them. At that point, Parcells has lost control of the situation. Whoever he picks at #1 will not be his first choice, and will want more money than Long got from the Rams at #2. Jake’s agent can play Parcells just as easily as the other way around. Let’s say Parcells gives Long a low-ball, take-it-or-leave-it offer. Long’s agent shows this offer to the Rams and says “Give me a better deal, and I’ll tell Parcells to stick it.” If the Rams really want Long, then it’s a good deal for them. At that point, Parcells has lost control of the situation. Whoever he picks at #1 will not be his first choice, and will want more money than Long got from the Rams at #2.

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]]> By: Shackman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15284 Shackman Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:03:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15284 Treez, a Cheerleader, says: April 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm It’s simple. Do you want to be #1? Then take the offer.. otherwise we let our time expire and pick you at #4. The flaw with this arguement is that you are making the assumption that Jake Long will still be there at #4. If the Fins were to let the clock run out I'm having a hard believing that the Rams would let Long out of their clutches. Treez, a Cheerleader, says:
April 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

It’s simple. Do you want to be #1? Then take the offer.. otherwise we let our time expire and pick you at #4.

The flaw with this arguement is that you are making the assumption that Jake Long will still be there at #4. If the Fins were to let the clock run out I’m having a hard believing that the Rams would let Long out of their clutches.

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]]> By: m_p_v_13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15279 m_p_v_13 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:49:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15279 Florio, I have an idea that could help solve the runaway high 1st round bonuses/salaries. I don't know if it could be implemented under the current CBA. Would it be possible for the league to change the rules regarding the treatment of the situation where the drafted player is not signed prior to the next draft. Currently the team looses rights to the player and pick. What if they allowed the team to be compensated with another pick. For example, one round (e.g. 32 picks) lower than the original pick. Or (what I think is supremely equitable to all) a pick directly after where the unsigned player is redrafted. This sort of change would give the teams better leverage for negotiating those early pick contracts (until an NBA style cap can be implemented). Can you ask some league types about this idea? Cheers, Florio,

I have an idea that could help solve the runaway high 1st round bonuses/salaries.

I don’t know if it could be implemented under the current CBA.

Would it be possible for the league to change the rules regarding the
treatment of the situation where the drafted player is not signed prior
to the next draft. Currently the team looses rights to the player and
pick.

What if they allowed the team to be compensated with another pick. For
example, one round (e.g. 32 picks) lower than the original pick. Or (what I think is supremely equitable to all) a
pick directly after where the unsigned player is redrafted.

This sort of change would give the teams better leverage for
negotiating those early pick contracts (until an NBA style cap can be
implemented).

Can you ask some league types about this idea?

Cheers,

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]]> By: rcaron336 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15254 rcaron336 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:58:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15254 What if Dolphins take JL or whoever at a pre-negotiated lower salary. And then they announce the signed contract shortly after the draft - before all other teams sign their top 10 picks. Does this drop the bar for the entire first round?? The team with the second pick is not going to want to pay more than #1, etc... That would be great for the whole league. The Fish would be a hero. What if Dolphins take JL or whoever at a pre-negotiated lower salary. And then they announce the signed contract shortly after the draft - before all other teams sign their top 10 picks. Does this drop the bar for the entire first round?? The team with the second pick is not going to want to pay more than #1, etc…

That would be great for the whole league. The Fish would be a hero.

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]]> By: stabtabulous http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15249 stabtabulous Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:51:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15249 No one knows how low the lowball offer to Quinn was. I would think Parcells will make a fair offer to Long, take it or leave it. I hope they stick to it, this will force a change all through the first round. No one at 2,3,4 or 5 will pay more than what the #1 pick gets. I hate the Dolphins, but I'm rooting for them here. No one knows how low the lowball offer to Quinn was. I would think Parcells will make a fair offer to Long, take it or leave it. I hope they stick to it, this will force a change all through the first round. No one at 2,3,4 or 5 will pay more than what the #1 pick gets. I hate the Dolphins, but I’m rooting for them here.

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]]> By: Wellsee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15241 Wellsee Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:35:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15241 Is Jake Long really Parcell's choice? Or is Parcell setting up JL to decline the offer, so the next person on Parcell's list sees that Parcell will walk away if you decline him? Is JL the target, or the warning to the rest of the class? Is Jake Long really Parcell’s choice? Or is Parcell setting up JL to decline the offer, so the next person on Parcell’s list sees that Parcell will walk away if you decline him? Is JL the target, or the warning to the rest of the class?

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]]> By: Phil in Austin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15230 Phil in Austin Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:25:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15230 This only works if there are multiple players who are roughly equivalent in value who are also not represented by the same agent. This only works if there are multiple players who are roughly equivalent in value who are also not represented by the same agent.

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]]> By: eltunagrande http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15220 eltunagrande Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:13:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15220 This could get crazy, 4th on the list is McFad, gonna sign and trade to Jerry for a bunch of #1's. This could get crazy, 4th on the list is McFad, gonna sign and trade to Jerry for a bunch of #1’s.

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]]> By: Raider http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15200 Raider Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:33:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15200 My question then is if Al Davis hadn't offered Brady Quinn the number 1 overall at a reduced rate, which his agent declined before falling all the way to the browns, losing millions of dollars would Jake Long understand the situation enought allow Parcels to pull this off. I only ask because of all the people dissin Davis for trying to pull this off last year. Unfortunitly for Quinn, he didn't understand the consiquences of saying no. My question then is if Al Davis hadn’t offered Brady Quinn the number 1 overall at a reduced rate, which his agent declined before falling all the way to the browns, losing millions of dollars would Jake Long understand the situation enought allow Parcels to pull this off. I only ask because of all the people dissin Davis for trying to pull this off last year. Unfortunitly for Quinn, he didn’t understand the consiquences of saying no.

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15196 Treez Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:22:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15196 It's simple. Do you want to be #1? Then take the offer.. otherwise we let our time expire and pick you at #4. It’s simple. Do you want to be #1? Then take the offer.. otherwise we let our time expire and pick you at #4.

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]]> By: Ben Roethlisbunger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15191 Ben Roethlisbunger Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:59:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15191 I think teams don't use their leverage enough. Long's options, if drafted No. 1, would be to play for what the Fins give him or sit out for an entire season. How much would the Fins lose if he never signed his contract? Are they going to magically improve in a single season just because of Jake Long? I would tell him he can sign for $25mil or the team can save that money and hunt down a couple free agents; or maybe have a $25mil party! That would be a better use for it than paying an untested rookie who turns out to be a bust. I think teams don’t use their leverage enough. Long’s options, if drafted No. 1, would be to play for what the Fins give him or sit out for an entire season. How much would the Fins lose if he never signed his contract? Are they going to magically improve in a single season just because of Jake Long? I would tell him he can sign for $25mil or the team can save that money and hunt down a couple free agents; or maybe have a $25mil party! That would be a better use for it than paying an untested rookie who turns out to be a bust.

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]]> By: Real Football Fan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15190 Real Football Fan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:58:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15190 You guys are foaming at the mouth for Parcells when the Raiders and Al Davis were kind of shown in a different light a year ago when they reportedly "low balled" Brady Quinn in a similar way. Maybe the fact is that Parcells has more leverage because none of the linemen prospects stand out from the others to fit his scheme (taking into account McFadden isn't needed in Miami and Dorsey isn't an ideal 3-4 NFL nose guard). You're giving Parcells way too much credit for this one, Florio. You guys are foaming at the mouth for Parcells when the Raiders and Al Davis were kind of shown in a different light a year ago when they reportedly “low balled” Brady Quinn in a similar way. Maybe the fact is that Parcells has more leverage because none of the linemen prospects stand out from the others to fit his scheme (taking into account McFadden isn’t needed in Miami and Dorsey isn’t an ideal 3-4 NFL nose guard). You’re giving Parcells way too much credit for this one, Florio.

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]]> By: unga http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15188 unga Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:57:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15188 Good for Parcells, handing over more and more money to an unproven quantity year after year is just plain ridiculous. I hope this becomes a trend. Good for Parcells, handing over more and more money to an unproven quantity year after year is just plain ridiculous. I hope this becomes a trend.

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15179 brian_21 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:36:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15179 Jake Long will be set for life as the first overall pick in the draft (if he agrees to a deal). He ought to take the money and run. Or, block. Jake Long will be set for life as the first overall pick in the draft (if he agrees to a deal). He ought to take the money and run. Or, block.

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]]> By: ACDC84 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15176 ACDC84 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:22:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15176 This would never happen, but it'd be awesome if all 32 teams got together and agreed to kind of hold a protest during the draft, w/ every team letting their clock expire in the first round. Talk about making a statement and raising max attention to the issue. I know this is logistically and practically impossible, but it would be something. Or even if the Dolphins official on hand were to loiter next to the podium w/ cards of the top 5 or so guys, let the clock expire, then wait until three or four guys are drafted and then submit the card for the other top 5 guy not chosen. Approx how much do agents make? I've heard it's about 3%. Does anyone know? I can see now why Favre's agent is trying to get him to play again. 3% of his '08 salary would be $360K in Cook's wallet, probably a TAD bit more than his cut of whatever awful commercials Favre ends up doing will be. This would never happen, but it’d be awesome if all 32 teams got together and agreed to kind of hold a protest during the draft, w/ every team letting their clock expire in the first round. Talk about making a statement and raising max attention to the issue. I know this is logistically and practically impossible, but it would be something.

Or even if the Dolphins official on hand were to loiter next to the podium w/ cards of the top 5 or so guys, let the clock expire, then wait until three or four guys are drafted and then submit the card for the other top 5 guy not chosen.

Approx how much do agents make? I’ve heard it’s about 3%. Does anyone know? I can see now why Favre’s agent is trying to get him to play again. 3% of his ‘08 salary would be $360K in Cook’s wallet, probably a TAD bit more than his cut of whatever awful commercials Favre ends up doing will be.

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]]> By: Dooger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15169 Dooger Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:54:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15169 Is there a rule that prevents the Rams from going to Long and saying "don't agree to terms with the Dolphins, we'll pick you at #2 and give you more money than they are offering"? I know the team with the top pick can negotiate with players, but I assume the Rams aren't allowed to. Is there a rule that prevents the Rams from going to Long and saying “don’t agree to terms with the Dolphins, we’ll pick you at #2 and give you more money than they are offering”?

I know the team with the top pick can negotiate with players, but I assume the Rams aren’t allowed to.

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15168 Pastabelly Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15168 Long should give his agent the option to get out of the deal if the agent wants to walk and not be associated with the deal. The agent then has a choice to either be the agent on record and earn his commission or earn nothing and keep his "good name". I hope Parcells pulls this off. The NFL is better off with arms length transactions like this Parcells' negotiation as opposed to the ridiculous slotting system currently in place which wind up hurting teams that were designed bo be helped by the draft process. The draft value trade chart has also become a joke with the slotting process. Long should give his agent the option to get out of the deal if the agent wants to walk and not be associated with the deal. The agent then has a choice to either be the agent on record and earn his commission or earn nothing and keep his “good name”.

I hope Parcells pulls this off. The NFL is better off with arms length transactions like this Parcells’ negotiation as opposed to the ridiculous slotting system currently in place which wind up hurting teams that were designed bo be helped by the draft process. The draft value trade chart has also become a joke with the slotting process.

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]]> By: nycJag http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15166 nycJag Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:41:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15166 This we know to be true 1. If the Tuna isn't picking Defense, then Jake is best the player in the draft, period. 2. The Rams will never let Jake get back past them. There trophy case is proof of that (Pace). 3. This has nothing to with Jake Long or any other draftee, this is Bill forcing a change... Jake, fire your agent, Hire your father, get a blood thirsty lawyer and let the Tuna make you a Fish...so there are more D-linemen for Jax. This we know to be true

1. If the Tuna isn’t picking Defense, then Jake is best the player in the draft, period.

2. The Rams will never let Jake get back past them. There trophy case is proof of that (Pace).

3. This has nothing to with Jake Long or any other draftee, this is Bill forcing a change…

Jake, fire your agent, Hire your father, get a blood thirsty lawyer and let the Tuna make you a Fish…so there are more D-linemen for Jax.

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]]> By: snb8818 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15165 snb8818 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:40:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15165 Seems to me that they WANT Chris Long but are going to see if they can get one of Jake or Gholston to take something significantly undermarket. Great idea to involve Gholston since the earliest he would go is Oakland and that is even a big maybe. Talk about leverage when youre pitting a projected 7th pick against a top 2 pick. My gut is that they will offer Gholston a far cheaper contract than they do Jake Long and if they both reject it, they draft Chris Long. Seems to me that they WANT Chris Long but are going to see if they can get one of Jake or Gholston to take something significantly undermarket. Great idea to involve Gholston since the earliest he would go is Oakland and that is even a big maybe. Talk about leverage when youre pitting a projected 7th pick against a top 2 pick.

My gut is that they will offer Gholston a far cheaper contract than they do Jake Long and if they both reject it, they draft Chris Long.

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]]> By: MarkB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15164 MarkB Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:40:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15164 I'd like to see Florio explain how agents get to have a say in the collective bargaining agreement. If agents have pull with union management, then union management is corrupt. That's you, Gene. I’d like to see Florio explain how agents get to have a say in the collective bargaining agreement. If agents have pull with union management, then union management is corrupt. That’s you, Gene.

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]]> By: fbfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15163 fbfan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:39:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15163 I have to imagine as part of the renegotiations of the CBA, the players will give up benefits to the rookies for the veterans. It makes no sense for rookies to come in without proving anything and making more than pro bowl level players. I have to imagine as part of the renegotiations of the CBA, the players will give up benefits to the rookies for the veterans. It makes no sense for rookies to come in without proving anything and making more than pro bowl level players.

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]]> By: RonInCharlotte http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15158 RonInCharlotte Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:33:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15158 Imagine the locker room respect Jake Long would get if he took a reasonable offer in order to save the team cap room. It's not about the $$$ for Miami, it's about the cap and the roster. The VETERANS in the locker room will greatly respect and appreciate Jake (or whoever it is) that he makes room for a better roster and comes in with a "I will earn my keep" attitude. Veterans are always restructuring their contracts to make room for other players. It would speak volumes if the kid did the same thing. And seriously, if the player takes 30M instead of 35M but builds in incentives, he won't really lose much and when he earns it they will back up more money to his door when it is time to re-sign. Imagine the locker room respect Jake Long would get if he took a reasonable offer in order to save the team cap room. It’s not about the $$$ for Miami, it’s about the cap and the roster.

The VETERANS in the locker room will greatly respect and appreciate Jake (or whoever it is) that he makes room for a better roster and comes in with a “I will earn my keep” attitude. Veterans are always restructuring their contracts to make room for other players. It would speak volumes if the kid did the same thing.

And seriously, if the player takes 30M instead of 35M but builds in incentives, he won’t really lose much and when he earns it they will back up more money to his door when it is time to re-sign.

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]]> By: HarrisonHits http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15157 HarrisonHits Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:28:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15157 The battle for the next CBA is shaping up to be a nasty one. The best thing for the league and the players regarding draft picks would be to severely limit the money paid to them compared to what is being paid out now. That would give much more money for the established successful players to be retained, as well as offsetting the large number of busts that high picks turn out to be. That however would be the worst thing for the agents that seemingly have more of a hold over the union leadership than the players they are representing have. The battle for the next CBA is shaping up to be a nasty one. The best thing for the league and the players regarding draft picks would be to severely limit the money paid to them compared to what is being paid out now. That would give much more money for the established successful players to be retained, as well as offsetting the large number of busts that high picks turn out to be.

That however would be the worst thing for the agents that seemingly have more of a hold over the union leadership than the players they are representing have.

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]]> By: renaissancemanrt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15154 renaissancemanrt Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15154 When is this league going to 'get it' about the #1 pick and the money owed to them? The NFL, last time I checked, isn't the NBA. You have 22 starters... in basketball, you might play about 7 or 8 guys. If you draft a Patrick Ewwing, a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or LeBron James, you've just resurrected your franchise. Doesn't matter who you draft in the NFL, because you need a large group of players to be successful. When is this league going to ‘get it’ about the #1 pick and the money owed to them?

The NFL, last time I checked, isn’t the NBA. You have 22 starters… in basketball, you might play about 7 or 8 guys. If you draft a Patrick Ewwing, a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or LeBron James, you’ve just resurrected your franchise. Doesn’t matter who you draft in the NFL, because you need a large group of players to be successful.

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]]> By: RyanHarris http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15152 RyanHarris Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:19:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/14/parcells-is-simply-being-parcells/#comment-15152 This is a repost from the Jake Long blurb, but it looks like it belongs in this one. (And maybe it will get answered) So... Hypothetical scenario for you Florio or one of the seemingly endless number of lawyers who frequent the site?? I am going to assume that in a standard agent/player contract it states that the agent must act in the best interest of the player. Lets say the Dolphins offered Matt Ryan a contract that was decent but not great for the #1 overall pick. If the agent scoffs at it and Ryan ends up pulling a Quinn/Rodgers-esque free fall and gets signed for less, would he have any legal recourse? I realize that this would be nearly impossible to prove because the agent would then claim that there were other teams that had showed interest in said player; but the more I read about NFL agents and how they dont want to be “the agent” that gets a guy less money and what not, I have to wonder if it brings into question who the agent is really working for. Also what would happen if in this scenario the player wanted to take the below market value deal? This is a repost from the Jake Long blurb, but it looks like it belongs in this one. (And maybe it will get answered) So…

Hypothetical scenario for you Florio or one of the seemingly endless number of lawyers who frequent the site??

I am going to assume that in a standard agent/player contract it states that the agent must act in the best interest of the player.

Lets say the Dolphins offered Matt Ryan a contract that was decent but not great for the #1 overall pick. If the agent scoffs at it and Ryan ends up pulling a Quinn/Rodgers-esque free fall and gets signed for less, would he have any legal recourse?

I realize that this would be nearly impossible to prove because the agent would then claim that there were other teams that had showed interest in said player; but the more I read about NFL agents and how they dont want to be “the agent” that gets a guy less money and what not, I have to wonder if it brings into question who the agent is really working for.

Also what would happen if in this scenario the player wanted to take the below market value deal?

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