While perusing my spam folder this evening for any non-spam e-mails that for whatever reason didn’t make it through the Gremlin-infested filter, we found a letter from Evan Spiegel of the Los Angeles firm of Lavely & Singer.
The letter asserts that on behalf of Arizona Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart that a photo posted last week on other sites (but never posted here) is protected by U.S. copyright laws. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, we were given eight hours to remove any links to the photo in question, or else.
Specifically, here’s the or else — failure to comply would have resulted in an effort to hold ProFootballTalk.com “and its DNS providers . . . liable and accountable for . . . copyright infringement.”
“Accordingly,” Spiegel wrote, “on behalf of our client we demand that you immediately cease and desist and refrain from exploiting, publishing, posting, displaying, distributing, or otherwise using or disseminating any of the Copyright Protected Photos, through any venue or medium, including on any Internet site.
“Please govern yourself accordingly. You act at your own peril.”
Gulp.
Since we pride ourselves on knowing where the lines of legal liability are (and on usually staying on the right side of them), we promptly went through and removed links to Deadspin.com and FOXSports.com of stories containing the photos that surfaced last week of Leinart. The first wave involved Leinart actually partying with young girls; the second photo that came out later in the week showed Leinart pretending to “party” with young men.
And then I called Spiegel, primarily to confirm that the letter is legit. Unless it was a really intricate ruse, I had my answer when the receptionist identified the name of the firm upon picking up the call.
Still, I thought I’d try to talk to Spiegel. And I talk to him I did. The conversation went well, until he attempted retroactively to convert the entire discussion to an “off the record” communication.
We’re still not clear on these journalism rules, but we’ve followed the approach that all conversations are on the record unless and until someone says the magic words. We don’t live our lives “off the record.” The things we say openly to other people in a public place or on the phone should be fair game for attribution. If Spiegel doesn’t realize that, then he shouldn’t be taking calls from media companies to which he has sent letters threatening legal action.
As it turns out, the assertion of copyright protection applies only to the photo of Leinart pretending to perform a certain action on a bottle of champagne held by another man at crotch level. Leinart isn’t asserting any protection as to the photos that initially were posted on TheDirty.com of Leinart cavorting with females, and providing alcohol to at least one of them who might or might not be over the age of 21.
Spiegel said that the champagne photo is at least two years old, and was taken as part of a Halloween party. He wouldn’t comment on the specifics relating to the taking of the photos displaying behaviors in which heterosexual males commonly engage.
Spiegel also said that the DMCA notices have been sent to ProFootballTalk.com, TheDirty.com, and Deadspin.com. When I asked Spiegel if he realized that PFT didn’t actually post the photos, he didn’t really provide me with an answer.
Spiegel explained that the “Korbel Stewart” photo (my term, not Spiegel’s) was allegedly obtained from Leinart without authorization, and then posted on the Internet. So I asked Speigel whether he’s taking the position that any photo obtained without permission from a person’s private collection of images and then posted on the Internet is subject to copyright protection.
Spiegel refused to answer, stating that he would not provide me with “legal advice.” I told him that I was not requesting “legal advice,” but that I only wanted to get more information about his client’s position. So I asked again, and Spiegel again declined to answer.
Spiegel also declined to answer the broader question of whether it made sense for Leinart and his lawyers to direct more attention to a dead story at a time when the flow of NFL news is slower than usual. Maybe the goal was to prevent folks from pasting the picture onto a T-shirt or a mousepad and selling the products outside the stadiums that Leinart’s team will be visiting this year. Regardless, the action unnecessarily pushes the champagne incident back onto the front burner, and (in our opinion) makes Leinart look like a baby.
As of this posting, the picture in question still appears on Deadspin. TheDirty.com, however, apparently has taken the image down.
We’re kind of hoping that Deadspin.com will use some of that Gawker money to fight this thing, under the approach best known among practicing lawyers as “my guts, your blood.” We still can’t believe that every photo that gets out of the hands of the person who took it is suddenly subject to federal copyright protections in the absence of any effort to sell the images.
We figure that, on this point, we’ll hear from a few of the many lawyers who read this site. But, please, be careful not to give us “legal advice.”
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Mike, being that Leinart is a public figure, and you are purportedly displaying the photo as a public interest, how are you violating the law? You aren’t misappropriating his name or likeness. You’re not invading his privacy. You arent fabricating anything. How is the picture even subject to federal copyright protection? Leinart is being a baby and is undoubtedly embarrassed by the photo’s release…but whose fault was that? Leinart could have eliminated the dissemination of the photo by not taking compromising photos of himself doing “naughty things,” especially when he clearly knows that his life is of public interest.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Having sent out numerous DCMA notices as an IP/Technology/Business attorney, I’m curious just how the hell Leinart can claim a copyright to the photo in question?
A fundamental premise of copyright law is that the “copyright” vests in the photographer, not the subject. While the subject of the photo can acquire the rights through an assignment of the copyright (or if the photographer was working for the subject under a work for hire agreement), the subject of a photo does not have a copyright (other rights, but not a copyright).
Its not worth fighting over, but inquiring minds want to know …
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Thank God I saved this. One of the dudes almost getting blown looks exactly like my friend!
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Great comment from Mike…
And kudos to you, Mr. Florio, as a long-time journalist, I can say with all certainty one of the first rules the best reporters (even the ones like me) will tell you is you don’t go off the record for a newsmaker. This is doubly true for ones ordering you to change your content.
I was happy to see you were responsible enough to discuss both sides of the story. I don’t like publications that don’t disclose everything that happened in these matters. It’s interesting to see how it got started, and it will be even more interesting to see how it plays out. Keep us posted!
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
This is quite simply another glaring abuse of the DMCA. This is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed. This is the bane of free speech. A piece of legislation designed to protect DVD encryption has been happily used for years to try and subvert freedom of speech on the internet. For years, the major retailers sent DMCA request to deal sites to removed the “copyrighted” Black Friday ads. Apple computer is well-known to use the DMCA to take down websites that have “rumors” of upcoming Apple products. Now, NFL players are using it to have pictures they happily posed for be removed from the internet.
Quite frankly, I think this is worth fighting over and as mentioned recently in the Collegefootballtalk post, your traffic is way up over the last few years, sprint is a major advertiser, and you should have the money to fight this. I hope you know that you are setting a bad precedent because eventually you will be getting DMCA based letters to take down the pictures we all know and love because the original picture that was modified is “copyrighted”
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I won’t pretend to have a knowledge of this legal mumbo-jumbo.
What I will do, however, is give you some kudos for having the guts to question the guy after receiving the notice and then, promptly, make him look like an absolute fool.
Well done.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
By Matt “blowing” this “whole thing” out of proportion, he has in effect drawn more attention to his lewd acts. By the way, just my own thoughts here, but when did blowing a bottle from your buddy’s crotch become cool? I don’t think I regret for one second not joining a fraternity. Always seemed like some guys had other intentions. Because I wanted to get with girls in college, I thusly chose NOT to live with 40 other guys. Dunno if he or his buddies are frat boys, they just look the type.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
“Korbel Stewart”
Hilarious! Best line in ages.
**Everything** is on the record, as long as you identified yourself
as being from Profootballtalk.com, which they know (per the legal sabre rattling) is a newsgathering entity.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I wonder how the mother of his child can/will use these pics to get more money from him and/or change their visitation agreement.
The pics show some serious lack of maturity and judgement, not because he did the sh– but because he had people taking pics, not even Pacman is that stupid.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Interesting stuff. It’s probably best for Matt Leinart to not worry about the photo and to just ignore it and move on. I wonder how his Arizona Cardinals teammates will resond. Well, people do lots of dumb things in photos for whatever reason, and there has been far worse. At the same time, regardless of whether the nuances of what his lawyer is saying are true or not, it’s okay to do what Evan Spiegal did. Just the threat in itself got TheDirty.com to take down the picture, and the picture might ultimately be less available, so that’s part of the mission right there.
To add, I think it’s dumb how the picture has to be described and this and that. Pretending to “party,” “crotch level,” using the term “heterosexual” to compare … c’mon. That seems immature. It’s an old, dumb, messing around photo.
In terms of Florio’s investigative work, what was typed seems correct. As long as it’s known that the conversation is on the record (or stating that ALL conversations are always on the record, like mentioned above) at the beginning, it’s a good idea to keep everything ON THE RECORD, and of course, if things from a certain point need to be off the record for whatever reason, then do what you have to do from that succeeding point. But yeah, trying to retroactively put stuff off the record does not fly, and it was good to jump right on that.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
I’m with TemeculaMike. Unless Leinart has managed to obtain the copyright to those photos, Spiegel’s threatened lawsuit is without merit.
The only way I can see this claim actually functioning is if Leinart/Spiegel tracked down the photographer once the photos went public and “asked” him to sign over the copyright to the champagne photo.
I’m more irritated that Spiegel would single out the champagne photo and not just submit a blanket request for all of the photos, including the ones that appear to show his client supplying alcohol to girls who may or may not have been minors.
Just think, if Spiegel’s tactic works maybe Brady Quinn will hire a lawyer to finagle a copyright over the Village People photo shoot…
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I received my law degree from Curbstone College and currently am partner in Dewless & Seymore, a subsidiary of Dewey, Cheatum & Howe. After careful research and lengthy discussion with other senior partners, our considered advice is to tell Evan Spiegel of the Los Angeles firm of Lavely & Singer to, uh-hmm, pound salt.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I would think that if anything, you are indeed “invading his privacy”. If this photo that he doesn’t want out and was, presumably, taken in a private residence during a party is being displayed against his will then how is it not invasion of privacy? Don’t get me wrong I don’t give crap about Leinart and I think this whole thing is kind of funny. I’m just curious about this aspect of law. If it is an invasion of privacy does that grant a copyright? If the previous post was correct then it would appear not. So what other “rights” would he have. I actually find this aspect of this otherwise blasé story interesting and relevant in this day of easy digital media dissemination (thanks Tiki, and Major League Baseball telecasts).
By the way the photo does not change my image of Leinart in the slightest. Until proven otherwise he’s a half-hearted Hollywood playboy. If he ever proves to be a decent NFL quarterback I will be happy to show him his due respect and appreciate his play on the field.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Matt Weinart and Evan Spieghetti should get together and market a new dish by Chef Boy-ar-Dee. Once they’ve dominated the market with Spieghetti & Weinart’s - Noodle-Armed Shysters for (under-aged) Kids!, at least one of them might be able to show his face in public again.
What’s it gonna be like in the locker room for ol’ Noodle Arm this season?
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Bra-vo!
Another reason I come here before any other website that covers the NFL.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
“Legal advice?” Ummm…here’s some “legal advice,” don’t be a dumbass when you are a public figure and allow others to photograph you in said behavior.
Additionally, when someone takes a picture of you being stoopid, you don’t own the copyright. The person taking pictures of you being stoopid does. Therefore, your stoopidity is not copyrighted by yourself, and your lawyer should review ownership regulations when his client is the subject of said photos, and not the commissioning entity of said photos.
A citizen taking pictures of your client being an idiot does not entitle your client to ownership of those photos.
Also, your client was obviously complicit in the act of the photo taking by acknowledging the act of the photos. Thereby, acknowledging the “photographer” as the copyright owner as the producer and owner of the media. Unless, of course, Leinart paid the photographer to take pictures of him being stoopid, then he, as the commissioner of the photos, can claim ownership, and thereby, copyright.
Matt, or his “lawyer,” cannot claim copyright of images in which he was complicit in allowing a non-commissioned entity to take without restriction or hinderance, thereby giving up copyright and distribution rights.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
mdbeaumont,
This whole story is bordering on absurd to me. Young men party with alcholo and do silly/stupid things. Not sure why anybody finds any of the photos newsworthy. But anyway you questioned why the lawyer only asserted copyright infringment as to the champagne picture and not the other pictures. Without knowing the answer, I would assume that Leinart has legal copyright associated with that picture whereas he does not have the same for the others.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Geez Mike, it almost seems like this guy thought you were a two-bit chump with that legal garbage. Will his next trick be trying to get you to sign an NDA providing for legal expenses?
For the record, my next trick will be writing something else that’s entirely uninteresting while I spew more legal jargon for PFT Planet.
Tell this guy to keep watching Boston Legal…Shatner he is not.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I must agree with TemeculaMike (I am likewise an IP/new media attorney with a lot of experience sending DMCA notices). I won’t repeat Mike’s analysis (with which I agree). However, would love to see the DMCA notice to see whether it complies with the requirements of the DMCA. I also don’t recall any case law that holds a site liable (and certainly not the ISP) for links to content on another site. Arguably all links go to content protected by someone’s copyright. That being said, I don’t believe profootballtalk.com is within the safe harbor provision of the DMCA (and would advise that you file that paperwork regardless of the frivolous nature of the current DMCA notice).
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
This article is the exact reason why I chose the username Super Florio. Go get ‘em.
TemeculaMike is spot on with his assessment of the DMCA.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I was amused at your thoughtful, well-written post regarding your run-in with Siegel, who, according to his firm’s website, is merely a 36 year-old associate. Mike, while I myself am merely a seasoned insurance defense lawyer, it’s clear that you have many supporters, including fellow attorneys like TemeculaMike that practice IP. I have gladly defended many a frivilous suit, and I encourage you to (in SC parlance) “fight on” if you truly believe you have not violated the DMCA. You provide a valuable service to the NFL industry and fans. Whatever you ultimately decide to do, keep up the great work with this here site!
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Are those vests Gortex?
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
You can’t blow a genie back into a bottle.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
TheDirty still seems to have the picture up. I won’t post the link, but as of right now the original TheDirty story appears unmodified.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
One thing I’ve learned along my way in life is that anybody with a lawyer friend or relative can get him to write a letter in the hopes of scaring the recipient. It doesn’t have to have any merit.
One thing that this does do is prove that he photo was Leinart. So much for the people saying that “you can’t prove it’s him in the picture”.
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