Comments on: PATS SNIFFING AROUND McFADDEN http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:50:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: MaineMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10668 MaineMan Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:27:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10668 The Pats looking at McFadden is "due diligence" and/or a feint. Their running game is more than adequate, in spite of all the pearl-clutching worry I heard from the talking heads last season. Maroney averaged 4.5 yds/carry and the team averaged 115+ per game (13th overall). With Kyle Eckel coming on and assuming Morris recovers (looking likely), the Pats have no need to draft an RB high. Furthermore, though the CW has the Pats grabbing a CB or LB because of their "obvious needs" at those positions, . . . decent DBs go pretty deep in this draft, but LB quality falls off dramatically after the first few, so I think the Pats go with fast DE who can also drop back to OLB, i.e. someone like Gholston, OR, assuming he's already gone, Groves or Avril. Then they backfill at DB with their second pick and go TE or O-line with their third. But, a running back? Ha! The Pats looking at McFadden is “due diligence” and/or a feint. Their running game is more than adequate, in spite of all the pearl-clutching worry I heard from the talking heads last season. Maroney averaged 4.5 yds/carry and the team averaged 115+ per game (13th overall). With Kyle Eckel coming on and assuming Morris recovers (looking likely), the Pats have no need to draft an RB high.

Furthermore, though the CW has the Pats grabbing a CB or LB because of their “obvious needs” at those positions, . . . decent DBs go pretty deep in this draft, but LB quality falls off dramatically after the first few, so I think the Pats go with fast DE who can also drop back to OLB, i.e. someone like Gholston, OR, assuming he’s already gone, Groves or Avril. Then they backfill at DB with their second pick and go TE or O-line with their third.

But, a running back? Ha!

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]]> By: rkingndayton http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10632 rkingndayton Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:14:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10632 I could see NE using this to trade with Dallas for their 2 picks in the 1st round and a player (not Terry Glenn). I wonder how Bobby Carpenter would work out with NE. I don't believe he's a 3-4 linebacker; what does everyone else think? I could see NE using this to trade with Dallas for their 2 picks in the 1st round and a player (not Terry Glenn). I wonder how Bobby Carpenter would work out with NE. I don’t believe he’s a 3-4 linebacker; what does everyone else think?

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]]> By: DanFoutsBeard http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10610 DanFoutsBeard Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:09:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10610 "Whether it’s Randy Moss or Corey Dillon or Brandon Meriweather, the Patriots have shown a willingness to look below the surface in an effort to get to a man’s true character." Are you kidding? I have no idea why this franchise is still looked at like they are so high on character. The Pats have demonstrated they will do anything to win, even if that means cheating or signing a thug. They got Moss because he's the best WR in the league, not because they looked below the surface and saw this great human being. The Patriots aren't a rehab facility, they are a football team who wants to win at any cost. “Whether it’s Randy Moss or Corey Dillon or Brandon Meriweather, the Patriots have shown a willingness to look below the surface in an effort to get to a man’s true character.”

Are you kidding? I have no idea why this franchise is still looked at like they are so high on character. The Pats have demonstrated they will do anything to win, even if that means cheating or signing a thug. They got Moss because he’s the best WR in the league, not because they looked below the surface and saw this great human being. The Patriots aren’t a rehab facility, they are a football team who wants to win at any cost.

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10597 samh Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:33:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10597 Once again, 3efin, I think after two seasons of injuries it's fair to believe that he might not be a 300-carries-per-season back. All it took was ONE bad season to label Fred Taylor as fragile. Putting together one string of games proves nothing. Doing it in college where everybody is lighter and slower proves nothing. Once again, 3efin, I think after two seasons of injuries it’s fair to believe that he might not be a 300-carries-per-season back. All it took was ONE bad season to label Fred Taylor as fragile.

Putting together one string of games proves nothing. Doing it in college where everybody is lighter and slower proves nothing.

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10582 Kotite Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:04:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10582 McFadden will be gone by the 6 pick. The Pats need to replace Asante. They are just being thorough on the off chance he does something stupid in the next 30 days which causes him to slip. McFadden will be gone by the 6 pick. The Pats need to replace Asante. They are just being thorough on the off chance he does something stupid in the next 30 days which causes him to slip.

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10573 Pastabelly Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:39:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10573 3eFin, I don't think the Patriots want to give any RB the ball 25 times per game. Maroney wouldn't have gotten those playoff carries if Morris were healthy. 3eFin, I don’t think the Patriots want to give any RB the ball 25 times per game. Maroney wouldn’t have gotten those playoff carries if Morris were healthy.

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10571 Pastabelly Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:37:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10571 It is very hard to believe that the Patriots won't trade out of the pick if McFadden is there at 7. The Patriots love Kevin Faulk on third down and don't need to spend a fortune upgrading that position and are set with Maroney and Morris on first and second down. The Pats need to trade down and grab one of the corners and a linebacker. They should only stay at 7 if Gholston is on the board. It is very hard to believe that the Patriots won’t trade out of the pick if McFadden is there at 7. The Patriots love Kevin Faulk on third down and don’t need to spend a fortune upgrading that position and are set with Maroney and Morris on first and second down. The Pats need to trade down and grab one of the corners and a linebacker. They should only stay at 7 if Gholston is on the board.

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]]> By: AllSeeingEye http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10563 AllSeeingEye Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:21:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10563 Just like Lawrence Phillips grew up and matured when he got out of Nebraska. Yeah, McFadden is a lock for the HOF. Just like Lawrence Phillips grew up and matured when he got out of Nebraska. Yeah, McFadden is a lock for the HOF.

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]]> By: teetee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10553 teetee Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:40:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10553 McFadden will be a star in this league, and he's not a bad kid by most accounts - he admitted he made mistakes, and people are still trying to bring him down. This draft is full of people knocking down the prospects - Ryan's athleticism, Dorsey's health, McFadden's character. The Pats will jump all over him if he makes it that far down the board, which he wont. I think he'll mature and grow up once he moves out of arkansas - but if you read the article, look what he has overcome to get this far.... He'll go to Oakland at 4... McFadden will be a star in this league, and he’s not a bad kid by most accounts - he admitted he made mistakes, and people are still trying to bring him down. This draft is full of people knocking down the prospects - Ryan’s athleticism, Dorsey’s health, McFadden’s character. The Pats will jump all over him if he makes it that far down the board, which he wont. I think he’ll mature and grow up once he moves out of arkansas - but if you read the article, look what he has overcome to get this far…. He’ll go to Oakland at 4…

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]]> By: EvilNuff http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10539 EvilNuff Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:40:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10539 "he’ll surely never be a guy who can make it through a season of touching the ball 25 times per game." Come on now...how about thinking before you write...25 x 16 = 400 carries in a season (not counting pre/post season). According to profootballreference there have been 5 seasons in NFL history over 400 carries. So no Maroney is not likely to put up one of the top 5 most carries in NFL history over the course of a season...who cares? 1. Larry Johnson (27) 416 2006 KAN 2. Jamal Anderson (26) 410 1998 ATL 3. James Wilder (26) 407 1984 TAM 4. Eric Dickerson+ (26) 404 1986 RAM 5. Eddie George (27) 403 2000 TEN 6. Gerald Riggs (25) 397 1985 ATL “he’ll surely never be a guy who can make it through a season of touching the ball 25 times per game.”

Come on now…how about thinking before you write…25 x 16 = 400 carries in a season (not counting pre/post season). According to profootballreference there have been 5 seasons in NFL history over 400 carries.

So no Maroney is not likely to put up one of the top 5 most carries in NFL history over the course of a season…who cares?

1. Larry Johnson (27) 416 2006 KAN
2. Jamal Anderson (26) 410 1998 ATL
3. James Wilder (26) 407 1984 TAM
4. Eric Dickerson+ (26) 404 1986 RAM
5. Eddie George (27) 403 2000 TEN
6. Gerald Riggs (25) 397 1985 ATL

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]]> By: 3efin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10528 3efin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:57:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10528 samh... I'm not saying that he's proven that he can do it. I'm just saying that it's too soon to say that he can't. He did it during last year's playoffs. Basically the number of carries that he, or any back gets is gameplan driven. He carried it as many times as he was asked to.In his final year of college he regularly carried it over 20 times. In fact he had games where he carried it 46,43, and 36 times. In the end, he may indeed prove to be injury prone, but I don't think that we can say that yet. It may have been simply bad luck. samh…

I’m not saying that he’s proven that he can do it. I’m just saying that it’s too soon to say that he can’t. He did it during last year’s playoffs. Basically the number of carries that he, or any back gets is gameplan driven. He carried it as many times as he was asked to.In his final year of college he regularly carried it over 20 times. In fact he had games where he carried it 46,43, and 36 times.

In the end, he may indeed prove to be injury prone, but I don’t think that we can say that yet. It may have been simply bad luck.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10524 SeanMartin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:29:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10524 Why would the Pats spook the Jets into taking McFadden? That would mean they would have to try to stop him, at the least, twice per year. Why would the Pats spook the Jets into taking McFadden? That would mean they would have to try to stop him, at the least, twice per year.

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10521 samh Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:21:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10521 3efin, When "experts" claim a back can't carry the ball 25 times a game, it's not that they don't think he can't do it once. Or twice. Maroney obviously <i>can</i> do it for two weeks in a row. Can he carry it 25 times a game for 16 weeks - 400 carries a season? He hasn't proven that he can. 3efin,

When “experts” claim a back can’t carry the ball 25 times a game, it’s not that they don’t think he can’t do it once. Or twice.

Maroney obviously can do it for two weeks in a row. Can he carry it 25 times a game for 16 weeks - 400 carries a season? He hasn’t proven that he can.

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]]> By: 3efin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10514 3efin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:45:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/pats-sniffing-around-mcfadden/#comment-10514 Maroney has had a couple of injuries, but he was extremely durable in college. I think that it's way too soon to brand him as fragile. You say that he can't carry 25 times a game, but he had 22 and 25 carries in the playoffs vs Jacksonville and San Diego. Maroney has had a couple of injuries, but he was extremely durable in college. I think that it’s way too soon to brand him as fragile. You say that he can’t carry 25 times a game, but he had 22 and 25 carries in the playoffs vs Jacksonville and San Diego.

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