Comments on: KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2008 DRAFT NEEDS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:13:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: kxpx http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11929 kxpx Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:47:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11929 Evil, I didn't mean to imply that Ellis or Dorsey would be for depth - but I mean it would add depth - having Edwards/Tyler/McBride as a rotational situation. I think we've got some ok D-Tackles but no young Warren Sapps - I'd love to see Dorsey in red and gold - but I'd still like to trade down around mid round 1 and pick up an extra 2 and 3 or 2 and 4. Evil,

I didn’t mean to imply that Ellis or Dorsey would be for depth - but I mean it would add depth - having Edwards/Tyler/McBride as a rotational situation.

I think we’ve got some ok D-Tackles but no young Warren Sapps - I’d love to see Dorsey in red and gold - but I’d still like to trade down around mid round 1 and pick up an extra 2 and 3 or 2 and 4.

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]]> By: NOVADawg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11737 NOVADawg Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:23:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11737 The biggest reason the Cheifs have lost their competitive edge is the fact that they've allowed their O-Line to fall apart. A mediocre QB and a good RB can both look great behind a solid O-Line. In the AFC west, the Cheifs need to get their running game back on track and protect the QB enough so that the play-action passes are effective when the Defense focuses on the run. Draft Needs: O-line, O-line, O-line. The biggest reason the Cheifs have lost their competitive edge is the fact that they’ve allowed their O-Line to fall apart. A mediocre QB and a good RB can both look great behind a solid O-Line. In the AFC west, the Cheifs need to get their running game back on track and protect the QB enough so that the play-action passes are effective when the Defense focuses on the run.

Draft Needs: O-line, O-line, O-line.

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]]> By: Chief Wahoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11729 Chief Wahoo Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:11:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11729 I'm just hoping Jake Long is there at five. If he's not, I'd be more than happy with a highly rated DT or even Matt Ryan at QB. Either way you shake it, if Long isn't available, and McFadden gets drafted early - there will still be a LOT of talent for the Chiefs to pick among. Also, Felix Jones (also from Arkansas) is going to be available later in the first round when some of these teams mentioned above (Bears, Cowboys and Pats) will be drafting. He's almost of as much value in my opinion (and a fantastic return man) and would cost a lot less than trading up for McFadden. You can bet that Arkansas Alum Jerry Jones knows about Felix Jones. I’m just hoping Jake Long is there at five. If he’s not, I’d be more than happy with a highly rated DT or even Matt Ryan at QB. Either way you shake it, if Long isn’t available, and McFadden gets drafted early - there will still be a LOT of talent for the Chiefs to pick among.

Also, Felix Jones (also from Arkansas) is going to be available later in the first round when some of these teams mentioned above (Bears, Cowboys and Pats) will be drafting. He’s almost of as much value in my opinion (and a fantastic return man) and would cost a lot less than trading up for McFadden. You can bet that Arkansas Alum Jerry Jones knows about Felix Jones.

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]]> By: RyanHarris http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11304 RyanHarris Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:38:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11304 Evil: I said if the Raiders dont take McFadden then the Bears could trade up with the Chiefs, not with the Raiders. I have to disagree with you, I think the Bears could make a move here. Also I think that saying there is no one on there D that could help may be too broad of a statement. Herm said he was looking for 5 starters in this draft; so if he could pick up a decent player I think he would be more likely to make this deal. Dont forget that there is also a business element here as well. Look at the effect that Adrian Peterson had on the Vikings. Not only in the football sense, but also in terms of excitement and fan interest which in turn makes the owners a whole lot of money. Lets face it, the Bears dont exactly have their fans a buzzin right now. Their QB's stink and their 1st round RB has been a bum and no one really seems to like him. Now I am not saying that this is a gimme, but if D-Mac is sitting there at #5 the Chiefs will definitely be looking to make a deal. Also there is no way the Pats move up to get McFadden. If he falls to them would they take him? I say maybe but more likely they would deal the pick. Broncos and Cowboys I definitely agree with; my point was that Carl has a tendency of being rather "value conscious" when it comes to trades. Evil: I said if the Raiders dont take McFadden then the Bears could trade up with the Chiefs, not with the Raiders.

I have to disagree with you, I think the Bears could make a move here. Also I think that saying there is no one on there D that could help may be too broad of a statement. Herm said he was looking for 5 starters in this draft; so if he could pick up a decent player I think he would be more likely to make this deal.

Dont forget that there is also a business element here as well. Look at the effect that Adrian Peterson had on the Vikings. Not only in the football sense, but also in terms of excitement and fan interest which in turn makes the owners a whole lot of money. Lets face it, the Bears dont exactly have their fans a buzzin right now. Their QB’s stink and their 1st round RB has been a bum and no one really seems to like him.

Now I am not saying that this is a gimme, but if D-Mac is sitting there at #5 the Chiefs will definitely be looking to make a deal.

Also there is no way the Pats move up to get McFadden. If he falls to them would they take him? I say maybe but more likely they would deal the pick. Broncos and Cowboys I definitely agree with; my point was that Carl has a tendency of being rather “value conscious” when it comes to trades.

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]]> By: evil http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11255 evil Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:17:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11255 RyanHarris: I can't see the Bears being a team to trade up for D-Mac...who would they offer up as their is no one on their D that would be of help to the Raiders that they would be willing to trade (the only players would be on Offense and trade a QB and none of their QB's would be of enough value). The move would be too rich for the Bear's blood. New England possibly could leap frog the Jets or the Broncos could be a suitor (even Detroit). But the only 2 teams I see realistically trading up are the Pats and the Cowboys (none of the other teams have the neccessary firepower to move up without pulling a Ditka and then in turn ignoring other area's of need). IMO if the Cowboy's come calling Carl can't turn down the offer (2 1sts this year and either a player or an additional pick in 09). RyanHarris: I can’t see the Bears being a team to trade up for D-Mac…who would they offer up as their is no one on their D that would be of help to the Raiders that they would be willing to trade (the only players would be on Offense and trade a QB and none of their QB’s would be of enough value). The move would be too rich for the Bear’s blood. New England possibly could leap frog the Jets or the Broncos could be a suitor (even Detroit). But the only 2 teams I see realistically trading up are the Pats and the Cowboys (none of the other teams have the neccessary firepower to move up without pulling a Ditka and then in turn ignoring other area’s of need). IMO if the Cowboy’s come calling Carl can’t turn down the offer (2 1sts this year and either a player or an additional pick in 09).

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]]> By: RyanHarris http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11157 RyanHarris Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:37:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-11157 If the Raiders dont take McFadden the Chiefs will be in prime position to trade down. The problem as mentioned earlier is that King Carl will probably stick to the trade chart and screw up any potential trade. I think a team like Chicago that is loaded on defense would trade a decent player and their own 1st and maybe a 3rd to get D-Mac. If the Raiders dont take McFadden the Chiefs will be in prime position to trade down. The problem as mentioned earlier is that King Carl will probably stick to the trade chart and screw up any potential trade. I think a team like Chicago that is loaded on defense would trade a decent player and their own 1st and maybe a 3rd to get D-Mac.

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]]> By: evil http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10919 evil Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:11:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10919 KXPX....a DT like Dorsey or Ellis would not be for depth...it wouldn't take long for either player to take their place along the DL as a starter. And DT has to be a need with how porous their run D was last year. KXPX….a DT like Dorsey or Ellis would not be for depth…it wouldn’t take long for either player to take their place along the DL as a starter. And DT has to be a need with how porous their run D was last year.

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]]> By: DeVoodoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10675 DeVoodoo Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:31:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10675 If Jake Long is long gone by the 5th pick, the Chiefs will trade out of it. You heard it here first. If Jake Long is long gone by the 5th pick, the Chiefs will trade out of it. You heard it here first.

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]]> By: kxpx http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10662 kxpx Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:46:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10662 As much as the popular pick seems to be going for a LT no matter the reach at pick 5, I'm not so sure the Chiefs will do that. The line, while there are a lot of young guys most people have never heard of, isn't in as dire straits as folks think. Yes - it was terrible last year. A few injuries to the young kids forced them to play has-beens like Welbourne and Turley. If we were to line up and play today, I think the line would look something like: McIntoish, Waters, Niswanger, Taylor/Stallings, Svitek Now, I fully anticipate at least 2 linemen drafted plus a hard look at some undrafteds - but I think we're so thin at so many positions that we'll take best available on the first day. I'm not sure there is top 5 cornerback talent out there or WR talent. So we have to go best value for any need we have. If that need is D-Tackle for depth and Dorsey is there, we have to jump on it. My preference would be to trade down a few slots for extra picks. I don't know what we get for comp picks this year but we're not "one guy away" from anything - we need to have as many chances as possible to get this draft right. If that means we trade down to 14 or whatever and get to pick up a value tackle there - fine - better - a corner or WR. I'd almost be willing to give a 2nd Round for Lito - but I'm saying that based off name alone. I don't know if he plays cover 2 corner - if he doesn't - we don't need him. As much as the popular pick seems to be going for a LT no matter the reach at pick 5, I’m not so sure the Chiefs will do that. The line, while there are a lot of young guys most people have never heard of, isn’t in as dire straits as folks think.

Yes - it was terrible last year. A few injuries to the young kids forced them to play has-beens like Welbourne and Turley.

If we were to line up and play today, I think the line would look something like:

McIntoish, Waters, Niswanger, Taylor/Stallings, Svitek

Now, I fully anticipate at least 2 linemen drafted plus a hard look at some undrafteds - but I think we’re so thin at so many positions that we’ll take best available on the first day.

I’m not sure there is top 5 cornerback talent out there or WR talent. So we have to go best value for any need we have. If that need is D-Tackle for depth and Dorsey is there, we have to jump on it.

My preference would be to trade down a few slots for extra picks. I don’t know what we get for comp picks this year but we’re not “one guy away” from anything - we need to have as many chances as possible to get this draft right. If that means we trade down to 14 or whatever and get to pick up a value tackle there - fine - better - a corner or WR.

I’d almost be willing to give a 2nd Round for Lito - but I’m saying that based off name alone. I don’t know if he plays cover 2 corner - if he doesn’t - we don’t need him.

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]]> By: CapsLockKey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10644 CapsLockKey Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:42:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10644 I agree with njchief. Allen will get a new deal eventually. Negotiations with Carl Peterson always take a while and get ugly at times, but if he wants to keep a guy it usually gets done in the end. Just look at LJ's contract situation last year. Allen is one of the few draft picks that makes Peterson look good and is a fan favorite. No way he leaves town. I agree with njchief. Allen will get a new deal eventually. Negotiations with Carl Peterson always take a while and get ugly at times, but if he wants to keep a guy it usually gets done in the end. Just look at LJ’s contract situation last year. Allen is one of the few draft picks that makes Peterson look good and is a fan favorite. No way he leaves town.

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]]> By: njchief http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10565 njchief Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:27:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10565 Long-time Chiefs fan here...Kegel, if you know anything about the Chiefs under King Carl it's that things don't come cheap to others. There is no chance in hell that the King trades away a cornerstone DE for the next 10 years for an often-injured CB that has yet to reach his potential. But if he were considering doing that it would definitely come much more expensive to the Eagles then just a swap of 1st and 2nd rounders. Due to the Giants and their defensive end success, the league now sees that the key to a good defense starts up front and that puting pressure on the QB is the key to winning games. Allen was a 4th round pick 4 years ago and has proven for 4 straight years that he's one of the best in the league. If the Chiefs draft right and develop their young players their defense is shaping up to be great for a long time. Although King Carl is a tight-wad, Allen will sign his franchise tender with the Chiefs and eventually get his big pay day. They cannot afford to lose the support of their fans by trading away their best player after a 4 and 12 season. Long-time Chiefs fan here…Kegel, if you know anything about the Chiefs under King Carl it’s that things don’t come cheap to others. There is no chance in hell that the King trades away a cornerstone DE for the next 10 years for an often-injured CB that has yet to reach his potential. But if he were considering doing that it would definitely come much more expensive to the Eagles then just a swap of 1st and 2nd rounders. Due to the Giants and their defensive end success, the league now sees that the key to a good defense starts up front and that puting pressure on the QB is the key to winning games. Allen was a 4th round pick 4 years ago and has proven for 4 straight years that he’s one of the best in the league. If the Chiefs draft right and develop their young players their defense is shaping up to be great for a long time.

Although King Carl is a tight-wad, Allen will sign his franchise tender with the Chiefs and eventually get his big pay day. They cannot afford to lose the support of their fans by trading away their best player after a 4 and 12 season.

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]]> By: timothycwillis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10559 timothycwillis Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:14:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10559 man the chiefs REALLY need a solid draft. they have holes everywhere. bless Herm Edwards for getting them as far as he did last year. draft well Herm. I love your style (except the hair issue) man the chiefs REALLY need a solid draft. they have holes everywhere. bless Herm Edwards for getting them as far as he did last year.

draft well Herm. I love your style (except the hair issue)

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]]> By: KegelC http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10543 KegelC Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:49:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10543 Didnt know you couldnt trade comp picks. The only reason I would think this deal could happen is because Allen might be pissed for getting franchised(wanting a long term deal with more guaranteed). I know whoever gets Sheppard would have to negotiate a new deal with him, but essentially the trade would break down: 1.) Sheppard for KC's 2nd (same as what the Raiders gave up for D. Hall) and 2.) Allen for a first (19th pick) and conditional (2nd-5th) in 2009. Both teams would be getting rid of guys that want new deals and the comment regarding the Eagles DE situation, why wouldn't you make the trade for a 25 year old pro bowler with 10+ sacks per year, even with Clemons (situational) and Abiamiri (not proven yet) already there. Plus the Chiefs keep their top pick to draft whomever is left at 5 that they like. Didnt know you couldnt trade comp picks. The only reason I would think this deal could happen is because Allen might be pissed for getting franchised(wanting a long term deal with more guaranteed). I know whoever gets Sheppard would have to negotiate a new deal with him, but essentially the trade would break down: 1.) Sheppard for KC’s 2nd (same as what the Raiders gave up for D. Hall) and 2.) Allen for a first (19th pick) and conditional (2nd-5th) in 2009. Both teams would be getting rid of guys that want new deals and the comment regarding the Eagles DE situation, why wouldn’t you make the trade for a 25 year old pro bowler with 10+ sacks per year, even with Clemons (situational) and Abiamiri (not proven yet) already there. Plus the Chiefs keep their top pick to draft whomever is left at 5 that they like.

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]]> By: evil http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10537 evil Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:36:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10537 Kegel..... Although I'm not a Chiefs fan the deal you are proposing is not a fair market deal. Allen is but 25 years old and has already averaged out to double digit sacks in his 1st four years in the league. While Sheppard may be of interest to the Chiefs, The Eagles don't have a need for Allen after signing Clemons and drafting Abiamiri in the 2nd last year. And comp. picks can't be traded. Kegel…..

Although I’m not a Chiefs fan the deal you are proposing is not a fair market deal. Allen is but 25 years old and has already averaged out to double digit sacks in his 1st four years in the league. While Sheppard may be of interest to the Chiefs, The Eagles don’t have a need for Allen after signing Clemons and drafting Abiamiri in the 2nd last year. And comp. picks can’t be traded.

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]]> By: KegelC http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10531 KegelC Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:05:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10531 Eagles fan here...does anyone think the Chiefs would trade Allen and their 2nd rounder for CB Sheppard and the Eagles 1st rounder? This would enable KC to have a No. 1 corner and the ability to draft the 2nd or 3rd best Tackle available by moving up from the mid-30s to 19. The Eagles may even throw in one of their Comp. picks (4th or 5th) to sweeten the pot. Eagles fan here…does anyone think the Chiefs would trade Allen and their 2nd rounder for CB Sheppard and the Eagles 1st rounder? This would enable KC to have a No. 1 corner and the ability to draft the 2nd or 3rd best Tackle available by moving up from the mid-30s to 19. The Eagles may even throw in one of their Comp. picks (4th or 5th) to sweeten the pot.

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]]> By: toonsterwu http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10523 toonsterwu Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:28:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/kansas-city-chiefs-2008-draft-needs/#comment-10523 Whoa, Barry Richardson as a 2nd rounder? There's no way that's happening. At best, he's Mario Henderson value wise (a talented guy who gets overdrafted in the 3rd). He's more likely to be Jon Scott and be there in the 5th/6th. And Otah is in the first round, which I belive PFT has reported on as well. Someone like Anthony Collins could be there in 2nd, along with Baker (although fit is iffy). Other 2nd round targets could be Gosder Cherilus (doubtful he falls that far, though) or the fast rising Duane Brown. The only other areas I think they might look are FB: They lost Grigsby and Wilson. They did sign Hoyte, but adding another guy, say, a Jerome Felton in the 5th, might be a smart move, or perhaps an Owen Schmitt in the 5th/6th. G: The only solid piece is Waters. McIntosh could slide inside, along with some other pieces, but adding a guy like Donald Thomas or Robert Felton in the 4th/5th might be good ideas. Whoa, Barry Richardson as a 2nd rounder? There’s no way that’s happening. At best, he’s Mario Henderson value wise (a talented guy who gets overdrafted in the 3rd). He’s more likely to be Jon Scott and be there in the 5th/6th. And Otah is in the first round, which I belive PFT has reported on as well. Someone like Anthony Collins could be there in 2nd, along with Baker (although fit is iffy). Other 2nd round targets could be Gosder Cherilus (doubtful he falls that far, though) or the fast rising Duane Brown.

The only other areas I think they might look are

FB: They lost Grigsby and Wilson. They did sign Hoyte, but adding another guy, say, a Jerome Felton in the 5th, might be a smart move, or perhaps an Owen Schmitt in the 5th/6th.

G: The only solid piece is Waters. McIntosh could slide inside, along with some other pieces, but adding a guy like Donald Thomas or Robert Felton in the 4th/5th might be good ideas.

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