Comments on: NFL ADOPTING MADDEN KICKOFF RULE? http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:27:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: rtandler http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10143 rtandler Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:53:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10143 "That is INCORRECT. The Giants chose to kick off and to have the wind at thier back for the 1st and 4th quarters." Sorry, wrong. If you elect to kick, then the other team can choose to defend a goal. Had the Giants said, "We'll kick off," the Redskins would have been able to choose the wind advantage and they would have taken the ball. The Redskins could have chosen the wind advantage to start off the second half but, since they were trailing, they took the ball, as was their option. (I'm sure it's scintillating discussions like this that make Florio turn off comments for a while!) “That is INCORRECT. The Giants chose to kick off and to have the wind at thier back for the 1st and 4th quarters.”

Sorry, wrong. If you elect to kick, then the other team can choose to defend a goal. Had the Giants said, “We’ll kick off,” the Redskins would have been able to choose the wind advantage and they would have taken the ball.

The Redskins could have chosen the wind advantage to start off the second half but, since they were trailing, they took the ball, as was their option.

(I’m sure it’s scintillating discussions like this that make Florio turn off comments for a while!)

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]]> By: Kulp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10112 Kulp Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:24:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10112 I could be wrong, but I think I recall the Ravens opting to kick to the Giants in Super Bowl. I don't remember who received in the second half because I think the game was already over. I think the NFL should move to a soccer-like "extra time" overtime. If the game is tied after 4 quarters, it will not end without first playing an extra period. However, instead of having a coin toss, the team with the ball at the end of regulation will simply keep possession at the same spot on the field when time expired. First team to score wins, or it becomes a tie when extra time runs out. Yes, I know nothing about soccer or how their overtime works. I could be wrong, but I think I recall the Ravens opting to kick to the Giants in Super Bowl. I don’t remember who received in the second half because I think the game was already over.

I think the NFL should move to a soccer-like “extra time” overtime. If the game is tied after 4 quarters, it will not end without first playing an extra period. However, instead of having a coin toss, the team with the ball at the end of regulation will simply keep possession at the same spot on the field when time expired. First team to score wins, or it becomes a tie when extra time runs out.

Yes, I know nothing about soccer or how their overtime works.

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]]> By: kman23 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10105 kman23 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:56:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10105 longdarkface-- I was at a Michigan football game (I think 1995) against Purdue where MI kicked off both halves. The weather was so bad that teams would punt on first down. I think MI won 5-3 or something like that. It was an unbelievable game. But besides that one time no, I have never heard of another team doing it. But I'm sure in Chicago and Green Bay it would make sense in games in winter. longdarkface–

I was at a Michigan football game (I think 1995) against Purdue where MI kicked off both halves. The weather was so bad that teams would punt on first down. I think MI won 5-3 or something like that. It was an unbelievable game. But besides that one time no, I have never heard of another team doing it. But I’m sure in Chicago and Green Bay it would make sense in games in winter.

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]]> By: ctfwest http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10077 ctfwest Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:39:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10077 "It’s been a while, but in the ‘86 NFC championship game the Giants kicked off to the Redskins both halves. The Giants won the toss and elected to defend the goal that gave them the wind advantage. The Skins were trailing at halftime and elected to receive the second-half kickoff. " That is INCORRECT. The Giants chose to kick off and to have the wind at thier back for the 1st and 4th quarters. They got the ball to start the second half but agains the 40-50 MPH winds. That is how the rule works now. If you kick off one half you get the ball in the second. “It’s been a while, but in the ‘86 NFC championship game the Giants kicked off to the Redskins both halves. The Giants won the toss and elected to defend the goal that gave them the wind advantage. The Skins were trailing at halftime and elected to receive the second-half kickoff. ”

That is INCORRECT. The Giants chose to kick off and to have the wind at thier back for the 1st and 4th quarters. They got the ball to start the second half but agains the 40-50 MPH winds. That is how the rule works now. If you kick off one half you get the ball in the second.

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]]> By: schouts http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10053 schouts Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:41:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10053 The NFL should change this rule for sure. I can see home teams optting to kick at the start of games when their crowd is really into it at the start of BIG games. I was at that Bills vs. Pats game on Sunday night and the crowd was going crazy but than Bills opted to recieve, the crowd quieted for the offence and JP being the amazing QB he is throws a pick, NE offense comes out, two plays later touchdown. First two minutes of the game the crowd was taken out and it was all history from their for the Bills (even though it was history anyways, it would have been better if my excitment would have lasted more than 2 minutes). Anyways I have always wondered why home teams that win the toss would not opt to kick the ball to start the game with their crowd going strong, and now I understand (it's amazing what you learn from PFT). The NFL should change this rule for sure. I can see home teams optting to kick at the start of games when their crowd is really into it at the start of BIG games. I was at that Bills vs. Pats game on Sunday night and the crowd was going crazy but than Bills opted to recieve, the crowd quieted for the offence and JP being the amazing QB he is throws a pick, NE offense comes out, two plays later touchdown. First two minutes of the game the crowd was taken out and it was all history from their for the Bills (even though it was history anyways, it would have been better if my excitment would have lasted more than 2 minutes). Anyways I have always wondered why home teams that win the toss would not opt to kick the ball to start the game with their crowd going strong, and now I understand (it’s amazing what you learn from PFT).

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]]> By: rtandler http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10035 rtandler Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:46:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10035 "can anyone reference a game where a team has received the kick off both halves? I can’t." It's been a while, but in the '86 NFC championship game the Giants kicked off to the Redskins both halves. The Giants won the toss and elected to defend the goal that gave them the wind advantage. The Skins were trailing at halftime and elected to receive the second-half kickoff. “can anyone reference a game where a team has received the kick off both halves? I can’t.”

It’s been a while, but in the ‘86 NFC championship game the Giants kicked off to the Redskins both halves. The Giants won the toss and elected to defend the goal that gave them the wind advantage. The Skins were trailing at halftime and elected to receive the second-half kickoff.

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]]> By: longdarkface http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10000 longdarkface Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:19:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-10000 can anyone reference a game where a team has received the kick off both halves? I can't. can anyone reference a game where a team has received the kick off both halves? I can’t.

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]]> By: I HATE T.O. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9993 I HATE T.O. Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:51:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9993 If Florio finds it annoying that the kickoff rule is incorrect in the game, then he must play Madden. PFT Madden 08 Tournament? If Florio finds it annoying that the kickoff rule is incorrect in the game, then he must play Madden.

PFT Madden 08 Tournament?

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]]> By: Vern http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9984 Vern Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:34:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9984 The home team should get the ball first period, both to start the game, and in overtime. That would set up some really neat end-game strategy, where a visiting team might sometimes decide to go for two knowing that the home team is going to get the ball in OT. It might also help with game planning, and initial scripting of plays where you know you will get the ball first if at home, vs. have to defend first if away. The home team should get the ball first period, both to start the game, and in overtime.

That would set up some really neat end-game strategy, where a visiting team might sometimes decide to go for two knowing that the home team is going to get the ball in OT.

It might also help with game planning, and initial scripting of plays where you know you will get the ball first if at home, vs. have to defend first if away.

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]]> By: samh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9982 samh Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9982 The college overtime system sucks. Do we really need Arizona/San Francisco going 6-6 in regulation and ending in 5OT with 21-18 six hours later? The college overtime system sucks. Do we really need Arizona/San Francisco going 6-6 in regulation and ending in 5OT with 21-18 six hours later?

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]]> By: StallionQB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9973 StallionQB Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:00:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9973 This rule makes since, and will give teams with great defenses a better chance to win. This is because they will get the ball in the start of the third quarter, and will give the offense more oppurtunities to score in the second half. The only problem with teams who use this strategy will be that if they are playing a team like the colts, who score alot, it will give their offence more time on the field. And it limits your offenses time on the field in the first half. The Patriots can use this strategy several ways: They can take the ball in the third quarter and with their great defence it won't effect them, and if they decide to take it in the first.... well everyone knows how well that turned out for them last year. Also, the Giants could also use this to their advantage. Eli has really stepped up his game, and he can score alot with the Giants offence. This helps him because they can use the first half trying to score, and at halftime make any adjustments needed and score as soon as they step on the field in the second half. This rule makes since, and will give teams with great defenses a better chance to win. This is because they will get the ball in the start of the third quarter, and will give the offense more oppurtunities to score in the second half. The only problem with teams who use this strategy will be that if they are playing a team like the colts, who score alot, it will give their offence more time on the field. And it limits your offenses time on the field in the first half. The Patriots can use this strategy several ways: They can take the ball in the third quarter and with their great defence it won’t effect them, and if they decide to take it in the first…. well everyone knows how well that turned out for them last year. Also, the Giants could also use this to their advantage. Eli has really stepped up his game, and he can score alot with the Giants offence. This helps him because they can use the first half trying to score, and at halftime make any adjustments needed and score as soon as they step on the field in the second half.

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]]> By: ButchD http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9972 ButchD Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:54:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9972 College overtime sucks, i'd rather leave it a tie. The NFL could even up the imbalance of winning the toss by not allowing a Field Goal attempt on the first possesion. If you receive the OT kickoff you have to get a TD to win. Anyway, thats my 2 cents on that one College overtime sucks, i’d rather leave it a tie. The NFL could even up the imbalance of winning the toss by not allowing a Field Goal attempt on the first possesion. If you receive the OT kickoff you have to get a TD to win.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents on that one

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]]> By: Skel http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9967 Skel Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:41:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9967 Why would anyone doubt what Florio is publishing? 1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other: (a) Receive or kick (b) Goal his team will defend 2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice. Why would anyone doubt what Florio is publishing?
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:
(a) Receive or kick
(b) Goal his team will defend
2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

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]]> By: swquintin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9949 swquintin Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:58:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9949 Damn, I'm ecstatic I learned that rule. I guess it really is a slow day... Damn, I’m ecstatic I learned that rule.

I guess it really is a slow day…

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]]> By: JonS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9943 JonS Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:52:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9943 People, do you not see that you were bated by Mike? This quote here should have been a clue, "Now, we’ll sit back and wait for all the comments to be posted insisting that NFL teams currently have the ability to defer the decision as to whether to receive the kickoff until the second half. Even though they don’t." That should have been the first hint that Mike had the rule in front of him when he posted this. Now he's sitting back laughing at most of you. People, do you not see that you were bated by Mike? This quote here should have been a clue,

“Now, we’ll sit back and wait for all the comments to be posted insisting that NFL teams currently have the ability to defer the decision as to whether to receive the kickoff until the second half. Even though they don’t.”

That should have been the first hint that Mike had the rule in front of him when he posted this. Now he’s sitting back laughing at most of you.

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]]> By: EaglesFan3 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9937 EaglesFan3 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:47:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9937 I like the rule and I agree with it. One rule from college that should be adopted into the is the overtime rules. College football's overtime rules make for a very exciting and dramatic ending to each overtime game. The NFL rules for overtime make whatever team can get inside the 30 to kick field goal the winners. I like the rule and I agree with it.

One rule from college that should be adopted into the is the overtime rules. College football’s overtime rules make for a very exciting and dramatic ending to each overtime game. The NFL rules for overtime make whatever team can get inside the 30 to kick field goal the winners.

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9928 brian_21 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:43:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9928 This is using the linked article as a guide. I would love the rule change that awards wild card teams with better records than division winners that have the third or fourth best record home field advantage. It makes, well, perfect sense. The force out rule should not be taken away. Just because officials last season failed to impose it properly (aka costing the Cleveland Browns a playoff spot; this still really ticks me off, as it was the #1 example of injustice in the NFL of '07 BY FAR), does not mean that the rule is bad. If a player is going to comedown in bounds but is shoved out while in the air, that's just not fair. There will be many times when defenders just wait for offensive players to go in the air, and then shove them out of bounds. The rule is a fine. It just needs to be enforced better. How that Kellen Winslow grab was not considered a catch is beyond me; that call was as obvious as it gets. And why take away the 5-yard face mask? I suppose it might not be the worst idea, considering that an accidental pull can be more harmful than an intentional one, and perhaps result should be more important than intent. But c'mon, if it is obvious a guy accidentally pulls a tiny bit but then releases right away, that should not be 15 yards. The rest of the proposals are good, except for that stupid audit thing. A TEAM OFFICIAL will be entrusted for this audit? The honest ones will be punished, and the liars will be rewarded. This seems like a dumb idea that is just for PR. This is using the linked article as a guide.

I would love the rule change that awards wild card teams with better records than division winners that have the third or fourth best record home field advantage. It makes, well, perfect sense.

The force out rule should not be taken away. Just because officials last season failed to impose it properly (aka costing the Cleveland Browns a playoff spot; this still really ticks me off, as it was the #1 example of injustice in the NFL of ‘07 BY FAR), does not mean that the rule is bad. If a player is going to comedown in bounds but is shoved out while in the air, that’s just not fair. There will be many times when defenders just wait for offensive players to go in the air, and then shove them out of bounds. The rule is a fine. It just needs to be enforced better. How that Kellen Winslow grab was not considered a catch is beyond me; that call was as obvious as it gets.

And why take away the 5-yard face mask? I suppose it might not be the worst idea, considering that an accidental pull can be more harmful than an intentional one, and perhaps result should be more important than intent. But c’mon, if it is obvious a guy accidentally pulls a tiny bit but then releases right away, that should not be 15 yards.

The rest of the proposals are good, except for that stupid audit thing. A TEAM OFFICIAL will be entrusted for this audit? The honest ones will be punished, and the liars will be rewarded. This seems like a dumb idea that is just for PR.

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]]> By: Dirty_Waters http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9926 Dirty_Waters Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:39:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9926 NFL teams currently have the ability to defer the decision as to whether to receive the kickoff until the second half. NFL teams currently have the ability to defer the decision as to whether to receive the kickoff until the second half.

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]]> By: bananaman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9920 bananaman Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:15:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9920 sorry florio you re wrong. why would belichick opt to kickoff when he wins the toss if the opposing team could elect to receive again sorry florio you re wrong. why would belichick opt to kickoff when he wins the toss if the opposing team could elect to receive again

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]]> By: Jeremiah W http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9914 Jeremiah W Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:01:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9914 That is a better rule. They should also adopt the college version of in or out of bounds on a catch. Eliminate the force out judgement calls and allow the defense to force out WRs, but only require one foot or any body part for possesion. I also think they should just allow the type of inside the shoulder pads holding that is currently unfairly and inconsitantly called. The defense should be allowed the ability to jam, bump and even hold and grab eligible recievers as long as the only jersey grabbing is on the numbers by the chest pad. Hand checking, arm bars and no pass interefrence should be called inside the first 5 yards of contact bump area. Call it the defensive backfield or whatever. That is a better rule. They should also adopt the college version of in or out of bounds on a catch.

Eliminate the force out judgement calls and allow the defense to force out WRs, but only require one foot or any body part for possesion.

I also think they should just allow the type of inside the shoulder pads holding that is currently unfairly and inconsitantly called.

The defense should be allowed the ability to jam, bump and even hold and grab eligible recievers as long as the only jersey grabbing is on the numbers by the chest pad. Hand checking, arm bars and no pass interefrence should be called inside the first 5 yards of contact bump area. Call it the defensive backfield or whatever.

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]]> By: thecoolest http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9910 thecoolest Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:52:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9910 omg, i just found out why i never get the ball to start the 3rd quarter in madden. wow i'm stupid. omg,

i just found out why i never get the ball to start the 3rd quarter in madden. wow i’m stupid.

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]]> By: RonInCharlotte http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9909 RonInCharlotte Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:50:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/nfl-adopting-madden-kickoff-rule/#comment-9909 They oughta be discussing making pass interference reviewable. THAT actually matters. They oughta be discussing making pass interference reviewable. THAT actually matters.

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