Comments on: EDWARDS ACCUSES BUCS, RAMS OF CHEATING http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:30:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: jjb0811 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9573 jjb0811 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:31:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9573 The comish is doing an incredibly poor job of being non-biased towards the different franchises & players. The NFL has not met with a man whom accuses the Pats of blatant cheating and says he has video to prove his side. The main reason being is he is friendly with the Pats owner. A small fine and cover up does not fix the problem. Every team tampers before FA each year, but to only fine 1 team, SF, is inexpiable. KC’s DE Allen had 2 DUI’s and got a mere 2 game suspension. What, get a DUI and lose a game check? Terrible imagine for the league. Now Allen is opening his own bar in KC w/o recourse from the team or league. The game will always be strong, but if competitive balance is loss due to the commissioner’s friendships to certain owners, that is a real travesty. . The comish is doing an incredibly poor job of being non-biased towards the different franchises & players.

The NFL has not met with a man whom accuses the Pats of blatant cheating and says he has video to prove his side. The main reason being is he is friendly with the Pats owner. A small fine and cover up does not fix the problem.

Every team tampers before FA each year, but to only fine 1 team, SF, is inexpiable.

KC’s DE Allen had 2 DUI’s and got a mere 2 game suspension. What, get a DUI and lose a game check? Terrible imagine for the league. Now Allen is opening his own bar in KC w/o recourse from the team or league.

The game will always be strong, but if competitive balance is loss due to the commissioner’s friendships to certain owners, that is a real travesty.
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]]> By: bradtor777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9558 bradtor777 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:38:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9558 Edwards doesn't have substantive evidence to support his insinuations, which is why they don't qualify as allegations. Herm Edwards is better at media manipulation than at coaching. In this instance, he's preemptively blaming the duplicity of others for the difficulties the Chiefs will encounter this season. He's lowering expectations as fast and as far as possible. Edwards doesn’t have substantive evidence to support his insinuations, which is why they don’t qualify as allegations.

Herm Edwards is better at media manipulation than at coaching. In this instance, he’s preemptively blaming the duplicity of others for the difficulties the Chiefs will encounter this season. He’s lowering expectations as fast and as far as possible.

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]]> By: TM18and1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9548 TM18and1 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:08:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9548 I agree a 1 week grace period should fix it. Vern, I wish they would have taken the niner pick. I agree a 1 week grace period should fix it. Vern, I wish they would have taken the niner pick.

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9457 brian_21 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:33:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9457 That's a great point by Florio. It IS important to enforce rules, but if they are not enforced fairly -- if one team is used as the sacrificial lamb -- then why enforce rules at all? Or, at least these set of rules. I have no idea if the 49ers are truly guilty, but if they are, then honestly. losing a 5th round draft pick and moving down a few spots in the third round isn't that huge of a deal. At all. It will not affect their Super Bowl aspirations, playoff aspirations, doormat aspirations, etc. That’s a great point by Florio. It IS important to enforce rules, but if they are not enforced fairly — if one team is used as the sacrificial lamb — then why enforce rules at all? Or, at least these set of rules.

I have no idea if the 49ers are truly guilty, but if they are, then honestly. losing a 5th round draft pick and moving down a few spots in the third round isn’t that huge of a deal. At all. It will not affect their Super Bowl aspirations, playoff aspirations, doormat aspirations, etc.

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]]> By: JBerry http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9453 JBerry Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:20:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9453 Florio - you say everyone cheats when it comes to F.A. I disagree, there is No way that G.B. can be lumped into that argument since Ted Thompson came aboard. I think he has signed 3 F.A. in 3 years and they all were long after the start of the signing period! Florio - you say everyone cheats when it comes to F.A. I disagree, there is No way that G.B. can be lumped into that argument since Ted Thompson came aboard. I think he has signed 3 F.A. in 3 years and they all were long after the start of the signing period!

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]]> By: JeffC http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9451 JeffC Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:02:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9451 There goes Herm & King Carl with their BS. Blame someone else for the Chiefs inability to sign quality free agents. There goes Herm & King Carl with their BS. Blame someone else for the Chiefs inability to sign quality free agents.

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9443 NonYahooHotmailAcct Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:46:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9443 oh, and a grace period won't work -- because teams would then just compete to go before the grace period. oh, and a grace period won’t work — because teams would then just compete to go before the grace period.

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9441 NonYahooHotmailAcct Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:45:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9441 I want that 1st rounder back too! Heres an idea for Roger: take away every team's 7th round pick as punishment, so that there can be increased fighting over undrafted players, and thus more tampering. Then next year, he can do the same, but take a 6th and 7th, doubling the problem ... and in 7 years, there won't be a draft... and Goodell's bio will be written: NFL Killer: The Story of how Roger Goodell killed the world's most successful sports league. I want that 1st rounder back too! Heres an idea for Roger:
take away every team’s 7th round pick as punishment, so that there can be increased fighting over undrafted players, and thus more tampering. Then next year, he can do the same, but take a 6th and 7th, doubling the problem … and in 7 years, there won’t be a draft… and Goodell’s bio will be written:

NFL Killer: The Story of how Roger Goodell killed the world’s most successful sports league.

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]]> By: tdeck12 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9440 tdeck12 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:41:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9440 I don't believe every team cheats when it comes to signing free agents. I'm sure there are other teams out there, but can someone please tell me the last player the Steelers signed minutes after free agency opened? Or even the first day of free agency for that matter. I don’t believe every team cheats when it comes to signing free agents. I’m sure there are other teams out there, but can someone please tell me the last player the Steelers signed minutes after free agency opened? Or even the first day of free agency for that matter.

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]]> By: stiller43 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9430 stiller43 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:57:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9430 vern, you have the 7th overall and are set to aquire the best corner to replace asante or a vernon gholston to revamp the rush, quit whining about the 31st pick. if you would like to complain, write to the New England Patriots, c/o Bill Belichick and tell him to quit cheating. also, tell him to sugest that asterisks shall be put next to all the patriots superbowl victories as well as brady's and moss's single season records this year. then you can have your 31st pick back. vern, you have the 7th overall and are set to aquire the best corner to replace asante or a vernon gholston to revamp the rush, quit whining about the 31st pick. if you would like to complain, write to the New England Patriots, c/o Bill Belichick and tell him to quit cheating. also, tell him to sugest that asterisks shall be put next to all the patriots superbowl victories as well as brady’s and moss’s single season records this year. then you can have your 31st pick back.

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]]> By: Slow Willie Porker http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9425 Slow Willie Porker Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:31:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9425 For me, this is entertaining. And I can only pray that the owners and union don't sign the new CBA agreement and for a least one year there is no salary cap. Can you imagine the insanity of that free agency? For me, this is entertaining. And I can only pray that the owners and union don’t sign the new CBA agreement and for a least one year there is no salary cap. Can you imagine the insanity of that free agency?

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]]> By: Matt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9423 Matt Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:27:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9423 Carl Peterson has no morals whatsoever. He is just as calculating and manipulative as the next guy, so for Herm to suggest that the Chiefs missed out on Faine and Brown because they played by the rules is absolutely ridiculous. The league really has no reason to intervene as long as the gravy train keeps running. Carl Peterson has no morals whatsoever. He is just as calculating and manipulative as the next guy, so for Herm to suggest that the Chiefs missed out on Faine and Brown because they played by the rules is absolutely ridiculous.

The league really has no reason to intervene as long as the gravy train keeps running.

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]]> By: Vern http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9411 Vern Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:57:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9411 So Mr. Florio, does this mean "everyone does it" is now an acceptable excuse? I've been hearing for 6 months now that it doesn't matter. I want that 1st round pick back! A Pats fan. So Mr. Florio, does this mean “everyone does it” is now an acceptable excuse? I’ve been hearing for 6 months now that it doesn’t matter.

I want that 1st round pick back!

A Pats fan.

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]]> By: Stoogie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9409 Stoogie Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:45:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9409 Even if the NFL allowed a grace period to allow teams, players and agents to negotiate, there are still going to be teams who will push the envelope and do/try something that is outside the set parameters. Plus, without the ability to actually sign a contract during this negotiation time, all that has effectively been done is put players in an auction situation where the bidding will get out of hand by teams desperate to sign someone or anyone. IMO, the best the NFL can do is closely monitor the time before FA starts, look in between the lines for quotes from agents/GM's/coaches/players that seem to violate the terms of FA and take action. The only other solution would be to go to a NBA-type of salary cap situation where teams are allowed to tender a FA at a max. contract and the player is allowed to choose between teams, given that the money will be the same. Even if the NFL allowed a grace period to allow teams, players and agents to negotiate, there are still going to be teams who will push the envelope and do/try something that is outside the set parameters. Plus, without the ability to actually sign a contract during this negotiation time, all that has effectively been done is put players in an auction situation where the bidding will get out of hand by teams desperate to sign someone or anyone.

IMO, the best the NFL can do is closely monitor the time before FA starts, look in between the lines for quotes from agents/GM’s/coaches/players that seem to violate the terms of FA and take action.

The only other solution would be to go to a NBA-type of salary cap situation where teams are allowed to tender a FA at a max. contract and the player is allowed to choose between teams, given that the money will be the same.

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]]> By: bgarcia http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9408 bgarcia Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:40:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9408 Every team cheats. So, how bout Roger Goodell penalizes every team by taking away their first round draft pick. First selection will be made in the 2nd round and (hey!) no ginormous contract for the first overall pick who has yet to take a snap as a professional! Two birds with one stone. Every team cheats. So, how bout Roger Goodell penalizes every team by taking away their first round draft pick. First selection will be made in the 2nd round and (hey!) no ginormous contract for the first overall pick who has yet to take a snap as a professional!

Two birds with one stone.

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]]> By: CFOBob http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9405 CFOBob Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:46:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9405 Herm, its not tampering if they didn't want to kick somewhere else or get paid more elsewhere. From March 3rd KC Star The Chiefs never even got that far with their two top free-agent priorities: former New Orleans center Jeff Faine and former Seattle kicker Josh Brown. Neither agreed to meet with the Chiefs before signing elsewhere, Faine with Tampa Bay and Brown with St. Louis. Edwards defended that failure, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Faine was worth the kind of money he was paid by the Buccaneers. He also said Brown preferred to kick in the controlled atmosphere of the Rams’ dome rather than in Arrowhead Stadium’s unpredictable conditions. “You know when you go into free agency that you aren’t going to get them all,” Edwards said. “You wish you would have gotten another guy or two. But we didn’t. In the end, does it make you better if you had gotten those guys? Maybe a little bit. The way we’re approaching it, we’re going to be OK if we didn’t get anybody in free agency.” Herm, its not tampering if they didn’t want to kick somewhere else or get paid more elsewhere.

From March 3rd KC Star

The Chiefs never even got that far with their two top free-agent priorities: former New Orleans center Jeff Faine and former Seattle kicker Josh Brown. Neither agreed to meet with the Chiefs before signing elsewhere, Faine with Tampa Bay and Brown with St. Louis.

Edwards defended that failure, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Faine was worth the kind of money he was paid by the Buccaneers. He also said Brown preferred to kick in the controlled atmosphere of the Rams’ dome rather than in Arrowhead Stadium’s unpredictable conditions.

“You know when you go into free agency that you aren’t going to get them all,” Edwards said. “You wish you would have gotten another guy or two. But we didn’t. In the end, does it make you better if you had gotten those guys? Maybe a little bit. The way we’re approaching it, we’re going to be OK if we didn’t get anybody in free agency.”

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]]> By: CFOBob http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9403 CFOBob Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:44:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9403 Herm, play to win the game. It's not tampering if they didn't sign with you for other reasons, such as you not paying as much as the other teams. From March 3rd KC Star: The Chiefs never even got that far with their two top free-agent priorities: former New Orleans center Jeff Faine and former Seattle kicker Josh Brown. Neither agreed to meet with the Chiefs before signing elsewhere, Faine with Tampa Bay and Brown with St. Louis. Edwards defended that failure, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Faine was worth the kind of money he was paid by the Buccaneers. He also said Brown preferred to kick in the controlled atmosphere of the Rams’ dome rather than in Arrowhead Stadium’s unpredictable conditions. “You know when you go into free agency that you aren’t going to get them all,” Edwards said. “You wish you would have gotten another guy or two. But we didn’t. In the end, does it make you better if you had gotten those guys? Maybe a little bit. The way we’re approaching it, we’re going to be OK if we didn’t get anybody in free agency.” Herm, play to win the game. It’s not tampering if they didn’t sign with you for other reasons, such as you not paying as much as the other teams.

From March 3rd KC Star:

The Chiefs never even got that far with their two top free-agent priorities: former New Orleans center Jeff Faine and former Seattle kicker Josh Brown. Neither agreed to meet with the Chiefs before signing elsewhere, Faine with Tampa Bay and Brown with St. Louis.

Edwards defended that failure, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Faine was worth the kind of money he was paid by the Buccaneers. He also said Brown preferred to kick in the controlled atmosphere of the Rams’ dome rather than in Arrowhead Stadium’s unpredictable conditions.

“You know when you go into free agency that you aren’t going to get them all,” Edwards said. “You wish you would have gotten another guy or two. But we didn’t. In the end, does it make you better if you had gotten those guys? Maybe a little bit. The way we’re approaching it, we’re going to be OK if we didn’t get anybody in free agency.”

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]]> By: superchop7 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9400 superchop7 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:38:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9400 Here's a thought. Allow a grace period of a week just to negotiate. Then after a week you can sign. Problem solved. Here’s a thought.

Allow a grace period of a week just to negotiate.

Then after a week you can sign.

Problem solved.

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]]> By: dndfanfootball http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9399 dndfanfootball Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:35:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/#comment-9399 Isn't there a simple solution for this whole mess? If free agency "starts" on the first day of March every year, add a provision that no players can be signed for 48 to 72 hours AFTER the "start" of free agency. This would allow all teams an even chance at contacting any and all players/agents that a team is interested in. Isn’t there a simple solution for this whole mess? If free agency “starts” on the first day of March every year, add a provision that no players can be signed for 48 to 72 hours AFTER the “start” of free agency. This would allow all teams an even chance at contacting any and all players/agents that a team is interested in.

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