Comments on: NINERS TAKE ISSUE WITH TAMPERING RULING http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:37:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Ferdelance http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9563 Ferdelance Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:59:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9563 Sounds like a lot of SF fans are starting to pout like Pats fans were accused of doing. Tampering is tampering. Doesn't matter if "everyone does it". I don't buy the reasoning that SF was calling Rosenhaus over a player SF had just cut. Wouldn't Rosenhaus be calling them? After all SF obviously didn't want Jacobs, why call. As for Gore, why would SF call about him? Is he in a contract year? Bears felt wronged, they filed a grievance. As I said tampering is against the rules. SF fans, if you feel Smiley was tampered with, get your team to file a grievance against Miami. This all comes down to Specter and others sticking their nose where it didn't belong because of Spygate. Goodell made a ruling, a harsh one, but that wasn't good enough for some. Head coaches and owners were content to let the sleeping dogs lie with Spygate, not Specter, et al. So Goodell is doing exactly what all the Pats haters and other whiners wanted, he is enforcing the rules. Now that a bunch of teams may get caught in the net, all the crying begins. It comes down to the old saying "be carefull what you wish for...you just might get it". Now all we need is the Pats to file a grievance against Philly. See what Specter and the haters think then. Sounds like a lot of SF fans are starting to pout like Pats fans were accused of doing. Tampering is tampering. Doesn’t matter if “everyone does it”. I don’t buy the reasoning that SF was calling Rosenhaus over a player SF had just cut. Wouldn’t Rosenhaus be calling them? After all SF obviously didn’t want Jacobs, why call. As for Gore, why would SF call about him? Is he in a contract year? Bears felt wronged, they filed a grievance. As I said tampering is against the rules. SF fans, if you feel Smiley was tampered with, get your team to file a grievance against Miami. This all comes down to Specter and others sticking their nose where it didn’t belong because of Spygate. Goodell made a ruling, a harsh one, but that wasn’t good enough for some. Head coaches and owners were content to let the sleeping dogs lie with Spygate, not Specter, et al. So Goodell is doing exactly what all the Pats haters and other whiners wanted, he is enforcing the rules. Now that a bunch of teams may get caught in the net, all the crying begins. It comes down to the old saying “be carefull what you wish for…you just might get it”. Now all we need is the Pats to file a grievance against Philly. See what Specter and the haters think then.

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]]> By: 4evrnyt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9448 4evrnyt Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:59:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9448 This is a really poor move by the commissioner and frankly deserves not only a better explanation on his part but ceratinly requires further investigation into other obvious cases of tampering i.e. Justin Smiley. What a hypocrisy to penalize us when one of our own players was tampered with in obvious fashion and nothing is even mentioned about it. This is a really poor move by the commissioner and frankly deserves not only a better explanation on his part but ceratinly requires further investigation into other obvious cases of tampering i.e. Justin Smiley.

What a hypocrisy to penalize us when one of our own players was tampered with in obvious fashion and nothing is even mentioned about it.

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]]> By: MC http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9438 MC Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9438 This kind of justice brings in to light a kind of 'guilty till proven innocent' mentality - where ultimately the agents will need to become more responsible and help the teams out if they don't want to get screwed in the long run. If I'm the Niners FO I'd make anyone that Drew Rosenhaus represents take a lower contract, and advertise it to the players. Maybe even go so far to say, if you get a different agent we'll give you a better contract offer. Imagine if the teams basically had the ability to 'black list' agents for not co-operating with them to defend their draft picks... Which makes me think this might be a way of better leveraging the NPLA to their demands by having teams alienating certain agents from the league and thus removing their influence on the CBA. This kind of justice brings in to light a kind of ‘guilty till proven innocent’ mentality - where ultimately the agents will need to become more responsible and help the teams out if they don’t want to get screwed in the long run.

If I’m the Niners FO I’d make anyone that Drew Rosenhaus represents take a lower contract, and advertise it to the players. Maybe even go so far to say, if you get a different agent we’ll give you a better contract offer.

Imagine if the teams basically had the ability to ‘black list’ agents for not co-operating with them to defend their draft picks…

Which makes me think this might be a way of better leveraging the NPLA to their demands by having teams alienating certain agents from the league and thus removing their influence on the CBA.

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]]> By: » The 49ers Might Have Been the League’s New Sacrificial Lamb http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9426 » The 49ers Might Have Been the League’s New Sacrificial Lamb Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:34:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9426 [...] PFT has a great take on this perplexing issue. Why would the league punish the 49ers when they’ve got no credible evidence and 31 other teams committing the same crime? They’re being made the sacrificial lamb, as the Patriots were for every team that films another team’s signals. Because the league wants to prove to Arlen Specter everyone that it’s on top of its own legislation, the 49ers are getting screwed. [...] […] PFT has a great take on this perplexing issue. Why would the league punish the 49ers when they’ve got no credible evidence and 31 other teams committing the same crime? They’re being made the sacrificial lamb, as the Patriots were for every team that films another team’s signals. Because the league wants to prove to Arlen Specter everyone that it’s on top of its own legislation, the 49ers are getting screwed. […]

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]]> By: rkab http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9418 rkab Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:41:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9418 According to Matt Maiocco: http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2176340&mode= The league's evidence was two "missed calls" on a cell phone record. No one knows the content of the phone calls because Rosenhaus wasn't a part of the proceedings. And SF had just cut Rosenhaus client Taylor Jacobs who they may have been inquiring about. Oh and SF's top player, Frank Gore is a Rosenhaus client. This is all really, really shady. SF doesn't have the political pull or national persona the Patriots had so they were thrown under the bus by the league who got caught trying to protect the Patriots. According to Matt Maiocco: http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2176340&mode=

The league’s evidence was two “missed calls” on a cell phone record.

No one knows the content of the phone calls because Rosenhaus wasn’t a part of the proceedings.

And SF had just cut Rosenhaus client Taylor Jacobs who they may have been inquiring about.

Oh and SF’s top player, Frank Gore is a Rosenhaus client.

This is all really, really shady. SF doesn’t have the political pull or national persona the Patriots had so they were thrown under the bus by the league who got caught trying to protect the Patriots.

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]]> By: mulda71 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9404 mulda71 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:45:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9404 the 49ers are cheaters!!! Lets subpoena the phone records of every agent and GM and see what we find. Beginning with Arlen Sphincters Eagles. Payback's a bitch. Lets see if its the patriots the words we use are "cheated," "stripped of," and "found guilty." But if you are not the patriots, the words we use are "broke a rule," "forfeited," "deemed (to have done something wrong)!!!" Oh and there's no sarcastic response after you say that you "misinterpreted" the rule. the 49ers are cheaters!!! Lets subpoena the phone records of every agent and GM and see what we find. Beginning with Arlen Sphincters Eagles. Payback’s a bitch.

Lets see if its the patriots the words we use are “cheated,” “stripped of,” and “found guilty.”

But if you are not the patriots, the words we use are “broke a rule,” “forfeited,” “deemed (to have done something wrong)!!!”

Oh and there’s no sarcastic response after you say that you “misinterpreted” the rule.

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]]> By: brick http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9402 brick Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:42:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9402 If what Mike alleges is true, it will be interesting to see what the niner's are awarded as far as compensatory picks are concerned. I'm not a niner's fan, so maybe someone who is can help out with what free agents they lost last year. A compensatory pick at the end of round 4 would make up for the loss of an early round 5 pick. And with most of the mainsteam media too lazy to connect the dots, would most likely pass right under the radar. If what Mike alleges is true, it will be interesting to see what the niner’s are awarded as far as compensatory picks are concerned.

I’m not a niner’s fan, so maybe someone who is can help out with what free agents they lost last year. A compensatory pick at the end of round 4 would make up for the loss of an early round 5 pick. And with most of the mainsteam media too lazy to connect the dots, would most likely pass right under the radar.

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]]> By: davidafink http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9401 davidafink Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:39:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9401 Is it me or is the Commissioner getting a little bit to carried away with administering his own brand of displine. Does any real due process exist for players displined and does any legitimate standard of proof exist for teams accused of cheating and or tampering? Or does the Commissioner just chose to make the rules as he pleases? It may be time to stop giving him to much respect for his authority and start questioning his performance over the past three years. Has he really made the game better or just arbitraily chosen to weaken the 49ers because of some rumors spread by other teams. The 49ers for the last few years have been a bad team trying to get better. Of course they are going to have contact with agents but how did they tamper Briggs resigned with his own team. Dont get it? Is it me or is the Commissioner getting a little bit to carried away with administering his own brand of displine. Does any real due process exist for players displined and does any legitimate standard of proof exist for teams accused of cheating and or tampering? Or does the Commissioner just chose to make the rules as he pleases? It may be time to stop giving him to much respect for his authority and start questioning his performance over the past three years. Has he really made the game better or just arbitraily chosen to weaken the 49ers because of some rumors spread by other teams. The 49ers for the last few years have been a bad team trying to get better. Of course they are going to have contact with agents but how did they tamper Briggs resigned with his own team. Dont get it?

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]]> By: WoofWoof http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9395 WoofWoof Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:19:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9395 There goes Goodell acting like a Commisioner again. There goes Goodell acting like a Commisioner again.

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]]> By: TM18and1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9392 TM18and1 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:14:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9392 What about Rosenhaus? Would it not have been in his best interests to testify in defense of the niners? Especially since he has over 80 clients! If the NFLPA does not hold him accountable then the league should have to do this. What about Rosenhaus? Would it not have been in his best interests to testify in defense of the niners? Especially since he has over 80 clients! If the NFLPA does not hold him accountable then the league should have to do this.

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]]> By: DaleJr88 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9391 DaleJr88 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:12:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9391 I think it would be funny if the Patriots claimed Tampering against the Eagles, in the Asante signing, hahaha. After all, Arlen Specter acts as if the Pats are the Anti Christ, inferring "his Eagles" are perfect. A lost draft pick in this years draft, as a penalty for tampering with another teams property, the Patriots no less, would be priceless. Could he really stand on his soap box, trying to bring down the Evil Empire in New England, if his Eagles were penalized for breaking the rules, or as all Pats haters would say, "Penalized for cheating!!!" I think it would be funny if the Patriots claimed Tampering against the Eagles, in the Asante signing, hahaha. After all, Arlen Specter acts as if the Pats are the Anti Christ, inferring “his Eagles” are perfect. A lost draft pick in this years draft, as a penalty for tampering with another teams property, the Patriots no less, would be priceless. Could he really stand on his soap box, trying to bring down the Evil Empire in New England, if his Eagles were penalized for breaking the rules, or as all Pats haters would say, “Penalized for cheating!!!”

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]]> By: a49erfan77 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9385 a49erfan77 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:54:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9385 As a Niner fan I think this penalty is crap. As much tampering that goes on and we get hit like this? Especially with such a lack of proof. The Niners need to file a grievance against the Dolphins now, seeing as how they signed Smiley fifteen minutes after free agency began. Then maybe we could swap 2nd rounders or maybe even 1st's with Miami, since we actually lost the player that was tampered with. Total BS.... As a Niner fan I think this penalty is crap. As much tampering that goes on and we get hit like this? Especially with such a lack of proof.

The Niners need to file a grievance against the Dolphins now, seeing as how they signed Smiley fifteen minutes after free agency began. Then maybe we could swap 2nd rounders or maybe even 1st’s with Miami, since we actually lost the player that was tampered with.

Total BS….

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]]> By: drew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9384 drew Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:25:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9384 Time for the Niners to have the league investigate the Justin Smiley 5 year, $25 million dollar deal that was in place 17 minutes after free agency began. But I guess since the Niners didn't resign the guy at a bargain price, and he actually got away, the league won't give a crap. The Bears on the other hand, got to keep Briggs, get a better 3rd rounder and finger bang the Niners out of a fifth rounder too! Time for the Niners to have the league investigate the Justin Smiley 5 year, $25 million dollar deal that was in place 17 minutes after free agency began. But I guess since the Niners didn’t resign the guy at a bargain price, and he actually got away, the league won’t give a crap. The Bears on the other hand, got to keep Briggs, get a better 3rd rounder and finger bang the Niners out of a fifth rounder too!

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9382 brian_21 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:35:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9382 Very sharp analysis. If all of the said is indeed true, though, then I would, even as a Bears fan, argue that this is NOT enough evidence to implicate the 49ers. Simply a phone record from an agent to a team is not enough for the mere fact that the agent can legally be discussing other players. Now, if there is somehow evidence or an account of an agent talking about, say, Briggs with the 49ers, then that is another story (a guilty story). But what I have read is not enough. There has to be more. If there isn't, then the NFL is wrong. Very sharp analysis. If all of the said is indeed true, though, then I would, even as a Bears fan, argue that this is NOT enough evidence to implicate the 49ers. Simply a phone record from an agent to a team is not enough for the mere fact that the agent can legally be discussing other players. Now, if there is somehow evidence or an account of an agent talking about, say, Briggs with the 49ers, then that is another story (a guilty story). But what I have read is not enough. There has to be more. If there isn’t, then the NFL is wrong.

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]]> By: coyote http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9381 coyote Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:29:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9381 Why do other teams get punished by Bears moving up in draft? I understand them taking the fifth round away , but they also moved up in draft ahead of Vikes and 4 more spots ahead of Lions. Its like league punished other teams regardless if 49r's did anything wrong. Take away a pick like they did with Pats but don't move Bears higher in draft over teams that did dick all. Maybe you guys can stir up the Commish . Later Why do other teams get punished by Bears moving up in draft?

I understand them taking the fifth round away , but they also moved up in draft ahead of Vikes and 4 more spots ahead of Lions.

Its like league punished other teams regardless if 49r’s did anything wrong.

Take away a pick like they did with Pats but don’t move Bears higher in draft over teams that did dick all.

Maybe you guys can stir up the Commish .

Later

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]]> By: bigwaz http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9379 bigwaz Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:03:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9379 I can understand a team being stripped of a draft selection, but not swapped with another teams, as it may effect the selections of all the teams inbetween. I can understand a team being stripped of a draft selection, but not swapped with another teams, as it may effect the selections of all the teams inbetween.

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]]> By: Sonoco http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9378 Sonoco Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:51:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9378 Scott McCloughan should simply follow Goodell's lead next time and destroy his cell phone records before anybody has a chance to ask questions. This seems very inequitable. Scott McCloughan should simply follow Goodell’s lead next time and destroy his cell phone records before anybody has a chance to ask questions. This seems very inequitable.

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]]> By: Topher http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9373 Topher Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:31:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9373 Colts... Redskins... and whatever that other team is that hasn't signed a free agent.... will be drafting alone in the 5th round. This whole Tampering thing has gotten out of hand. Goodell has an enormous pile of worms that he is trying desperately to corral back into the can. For decades the NFL has operated with a wink and a nod from the old boy network. When the players decided they, also, can operate with a wink and a nod things eventually got out of control. Taglibue didn't know what to do with the can of worms and now Goodell has decided to crack down on the players. No more wink and nod. The players have noticed and the feeling is "Hey... if you ain't cuttin' us no slack... I'm gonna let the world know y'all ain't right." Goodell has no choice but to reel in the owners wink and nod. But how can he do this? Its coming at him from all sides. There are numerous holes in the dyke and he's running out of fingers. Its all smoke and mirrors to hide the real fear of the NFL. steroids. Colts… Redskins… and whatever that other team is that hasn’t signed a free agent…. will be drafting alone in the 5th round.

This whole Tampering thing has gotten out of hand. Goodell has an enormous pile of worms that he is trying desperately to corral back into the can. For decades the NFL has operated with a wink and a nod from the old boy network.

When the players decided they, also, can operate with a wink and a nod things eventually got out of control.

Taglibue didn’t know what to do with the can of worms and now Goodell has decided to crack down on the players. No more wink and nod. The players have noticed and the feeling is “Hey… if you ain’t cuttin’ us no slack… I’m gonna let the world know y’all ain’t right.”

Goodell has no choice but to reel in the owners wink and nod. But how can he do this? Its coming at him from all sides. There are numerous holes in the dyke and he’s running out of fingers.

Its all smoke and mirrors to hide the real fear of the NFL.

steroids.

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]]> By: CheersAdam http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9371 CheersAdam Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:17:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9371 The NFL found tampering on a phone record to an agent the team has players for? Doubtful that is the whole story, the fact that this is a rumor site first and foremost comes through here. Also though, as a life long Bears fan who is completely biased, the 49ers can &#&$ me. Payback for 84! The NFL found tampering on a phone record to an agent the team has players for? Doubtful that is the whole story, the fact that this is a rumor site first and foremost comes through here.

Also though, as a life long Bears fan who is completely biased, the 49ers can &#&$ me. Payback for 84!

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]]> By: rkab http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9364 rkab Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:37:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9364 Excellent points. Talk about a slippery slope here. Any wiley GMs out there should be lining up witnesses at this point. If the 49ers were docked for talking to Briggs and didn't even get him, then what do the Dolphins owe for the 49ers for Smiley? He signed a pretty big contract about 30 minutes into free agency IIRC. Are we to believe the Dolphins were respecting the 49ers rights the entire time? This is kinda ridiculous. Excellent points. Talk about a slippery slope here.

Any wiley GMs out there should be lining up witnesses at this point.

If the 49ers were docked for talking to Briggs and didn’t even get him, then what do the Dolphins owe for the 49ers for Smiley?

He signed a pretty big contract about 30 minutes into free agency IIRC.

Are we to believe the Dolphins were respecting the 49ers rights the entire time?

This is kinda ridiculous.

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]]> By: Humpdog491 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9363 Humpdog491 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:31:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/24/niners-take-issue-with-tampering-ruling/#comment-9363 This is a complete load of crap. I thought it was b.s. before your latest revelations on the subject....now I'm really pissed. How do they come up with this punishment with NO PROOF! If Eddie D was still in charge, somebody would get clipped. This is a complete load of crap. I thought it was b.s. before your latest revelations on the subject….now I’m really pissed. How do they come up with this punishment with NO PROOF! If Eddie D was still in charge, somebody would get clipped.

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