Some Internet hack has banged out for SportingNews.com an item that explores the question of whether the Miami Dolphins might choose not to choose a player when their ten-minute allotment during round one of the draft expires.
There’s nothing in the rules that prevents a team from intentionally allowing the time to expire. In such a case, the next team up can submit its pick, and so on. The team that passed has the ability at any time, however, to submit its card with the name of a guy who has not yet been taken.
In recent years, there have been two incidents when time expired. In 2002, the Cowboys ran out of time as they tried to trade down a couple of spots with the Chiefs, so that the Chiefs could select defensive tackle Ryan Sims. The Vikings, who coveted Sims, didn’t realize that the window was open to snag him. So the trade went through and the Chiefs got Sims.
The next year, the Vikings were trying to trade down with either the Jaguars (who were next up) or the Ravens (who were three spots behind Minnesota); both wanted quarterback Byron Leftwich. Time ran out on the Vikes, and the Jags grabbed Leftwich. Then the Panthers took tackle Jordan Gross before the Vikings could submit the name of defensive tackle Kevin Williams.
In the end, the back-to-back gaffes worked out well for the Vikings. Sims ended up being a bust, and if they’d taken him in 2002 they likely wouldn’t have targeted Williams, who has become a Pro Bowler. Also, McKinnie is an above-average left tackle. Leftwich is unemployed.
Anyway, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah — the Fins could opt to intentionally allow the clock to run out in the hopes of taking a guy a few spots lower and paying him less than he’d get if his name were the first one called.
Surely, such a maneuver would trigger a storm of controversy, and it likely would result in the adoption of a “use it or lose it” rule for future drafts. But it also would bring the forefront the problem of unproven players taken at the top of the draft getting so much money despite the fact that they’ve done nothing to earn it.
Anyway, the column is right here.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
I was talking about this last night with a buddy of mine. I think its a great idea.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
I don’t see that happening. They’ll draft one of the Longs, Gholston or trade out of the pick if the can.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
Yeah, it is a great idea - but surely it sets off a terrible trend which will be copied throughout the first and maybe even the second round. What happens if the Rams dont want to pay first pick money to Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey or whoever? Then they would pass, the falcons dont want to pay first overall money to Matt Ryan, Glenn Dorsey etc, maybe the Raiders would for McFadden, but with them paying a gazillion $ for their corners, who knows whether they can afford paying out another $50m contract… The commish/union etc needs to sort out the pay structure for draft picks asap.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 11:57 am
I love the idea. I think the Dolphins should take Jake Long, and this would be a good way to get him a few slots down, and save a couple million. If it so happens that Long gets taken before they would send in their pick, Gholston would be a great pick and allow them to trade Jason Taylor.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm
This is such a stupid idea and needs to stop being brought up. No team is going to do this. If they do, they risk a bunch of other teams rushing in their picks to leap ahead of them and then they go from having the first pick to having the 5th pick and maybe not the guy that they wanted. It would be much much smarter to TRADE THE PICK if they don’t want the responsibility and financial liability that comes with the first pick.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
the point is….., nobody wants to trade for the pick..
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March 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
My Gandpop always used to say ‘if you don’t use it you lose it’. I don’t think it had anything to do with football but I believe it applies in the same fashion to the draft.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
First they would have to be totally uncommitted to any one of the top prospects, which would seem unlikely that Parcells/Ireland won’t reach a conclusion as to which player is best for the team. Second, the savings from simply stepping down 1 or 2 spots is minimal, and in some cases (QBs) it’s the same or more. Reggie Bush’s deal is a good example of that.
So IMO, if they’re convinced of one players value to the team is greater, then the risk of not getting said player isn’t worth the marginal savings.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I like the idea if a team is not so hot on any of the top picks. However, if (a large if) the NFL puts a cap on rookie salaries like it should, it would stop it from happening probably. Yes it would be smart to trade down for the Dolphins, but I find a hard time believing someone is going to make the sacrifice to do it.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Why would they do that just to save money, I find it incomprehensible (and unlike some former running backs, I know what the word means) that a team would intentionally discard an asset, I mean tell me that Parcells couldn’t find a trading partner to give him as little as
a 7th round pick in 2099 to move back a few spaces. Wouldn’t happen. Parcells already has offers, they may not be enough to cause him to sell, but he has offers and they are for a hell of a lot more than a distant future 7th rounder.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
As pointed out in the article, the biggest flaw with this idea is the way an agent would handle the maneuver. Just because the Dolphins let the clock run out a few times does not mean some enterprising representative will not make the argument that the Dolphins could have selected him first. They would probably have to slide as far as 6 or 7 spots and pick from the next level of talent available to avoid a nasty holdout.
A trade would obviously make more sense, but I seriously doubt any team is willing to pay the price to pick first. Since the Dolphins are likely stuck with this pick, I think they should just draft the safest player, which is probably Chris Long.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
So with this idea you are suggesting that the fins scouting department that you spent millions of dollars on, can’t come up with the best player for your team. So you let another team make the decision for you, and get the player or players that are left that you have targeted. Which would result in making the Fins look like total idiots for letting the time run out, and getting nothing in return for the number one slot. According to the value chart the difference from slot one to slot two is 400 points. That equals a middle of the second round pick. Only benefit of doing this is a little less money, and I don’t think Mr Blockbuster Wayne Huizenga is hurting for cash.
The Vikings by the way had a trade in place with the Ravens, but Shack Harris of the Jags kept the Vikings GM on the phone with a trade proposal. That resulted in the now fired GM of the Vikings from getting the trade card from the Ravens to the podium before time expired. The Jags had their card with the name of the guy they wanted, and ran up to the podium with it just seconds after the time allotted for the Vikings expired. Then the Ravens rushed up next with Suggs as the player they wanted, before the Vikings got a clue that they needed to do was send in their card, and not expect to get another 15 minutes to select. Clearly the Vikings failed to realize what happens when time expires with no selection. Complete idiots, which is why the owner is no longer, the coach and staff have been fired. The GM and scouting staff were fired, and the guys responsible for handing in the card were more than likely fired.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Obviously it would be better to trade the pick, but unless Jerry Jones is dumb enough to give up his 2 first round picks to move up, no one else is going to do it.
I really think that if the Fins elected to do this, the agents would convince the player to sit out the year rather than sign a contract as the 3rd or 4th player drafted instead of the first. Besides, who’s to say any other team would immediately move to draft a player as the the “1st” pick. Any of the teams in the top 10 seemingly have multiple options with their picks, and they’d be creating a headache for themselves, as the “first” player drafted would want to paid that way.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
They wont. It’d be a cowardly move without honour and no team wants to be infamous for pulling this manouver. Interesting thought though.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Ideally, sure they’d trade the pick - this is talking about the Fins not being able to trade it, and letting the time go by till they’re comfortable with the position and player they’re taking. This is really the kind of the thing that the league needs to have happen so that the rookie contract escalation can stop - just doesn’t make sense for a top 10 pick to be making more money than most of the current starters in the league at their position for just being chosen high.
I’m all for this happening!
Though if the Tuna is gonna do this you know he’s going to have all the eventualities planned out ahead of time. He’ll have in mind how much he wants to pay to the player available on the board with the pick they have and at position they want to grab a player. So they drop back to 5 or 6 (imagine the storylines if Parcell drops back to 6 and gets the pick in before the Jets and takes who they wanted - I wonder how loud the Tattler would cry about it) and pick up Jeff Otah or the top corner on their board.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
A “use it or lose it” rule would be a terrible idea, at least without a fixed price for draft picks. Basically, that would be punishing the worst teams in the league because they would be forced to pay top dollar for having a bad record. They may be compelled to lower the price of the first pick(s) just so they could move down. It would certainly affect free agency because the worst team would be less likely to make a big splash. Finally, hold outs could get ugly, especially if the team were bad several years in a row. If I were a GM, I would never want the first pick. Its a pressure pick/poison pill, and carries extra criticism if not successful.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Didn’t the Vikings let the pick slip for salary reasons, and ended up having to pay a salary in line with their original slot? Maybe I’m thinking basketball, but I remember this coming back to bite a team.
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March 23rd, 2008 at 8:47 pm
It seems the first overall pick is more of a curse than a reward.
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March 24th, 2008 at 4:24 am
Let’s look at the ingredients necessary for something like this to happen.
1. A team at the top of the draft with a lot of needs, many of which could be filled much further down the 1st round.
2. No real stud ‘must-take’ players in the draft.
3. No team willing to give up anything significant in order to move up to the #1 spot.
4. A GM willing to think outside the box and/or bend the spirit of the rules.
Seems like all these requirements are fulfilled this year, so it’s now or never. I hope it happens. Either that or the fins trade the number 1 pick for something token like Oaklands #1 pick and their 5th rounder or something.
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March 24th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Bill Parcells isn’t the kind of guy who is going to go into this draft without a gameplan. This isn’t his first rodeo. Every year there’s hype for certain players that get GMs, coaches and fans drool over. Whether it’s Long (take yer pick), McFadden, Gholston or Ryan, if someone wants to make a move, Bill will set the price as high as he feels he can to pull the trigger on a trade. If there are, truly, no takers… he’ll make his selection and move on. It’s not like there aren’t enough holes to fill.
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March 24th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
If you were really so intent on saving money with the #1 pick, surely you could avoid a PR gaffe by simply negotiating a deal with a player before the draft. Undoubtedly someone on your top 3-4 list would take a reasonable(relative term) deal for being the #1 pick.
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