Comments on: TIME FOR A RAISE FOR TOM http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:43:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8325 jhitchins1 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:58:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8325 I know, how dare I insult the "Golden Boy". Honestly, you Pats fans need to settle down a little. It's clear to anyone and everyone, outside of the Boston area of course, that Manning is the better player. Seriously, is there a 24/7 Tony Kornheiser network up there filling your heads with these crazy thoughts that Brady is actually better? And again with the Super Bowl thing. Yes, of course Marino wanted one, what player doesn't? But according to all of you, Terry Bradshaw must be the best QB ever because he has 4 rings. So just settle down girls, it's gonna be OK. I know, how dare I insult the “Golden Boy”. Honestly, you Pats fans need to settle down a little. It’s clear to anyone and everyone, outside of the Boston area of course, that Manning is the better player. Seriously, is there a 24/7 Tony Kornheiser network up there filling your heads with these crazy thoughts that Brady is actually better? And again with the Super Bowl thing. Yes, of course Marino wanted one, what player doesn’t? But according to all of you, Terry Bradshaw must be the best QB ever because he has 4 rings. So just settle down girls, it’s gonna be OK.

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]]> By: drock81 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8308 drock81 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:23:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8308 jhitchins1, You have got to be kidding me? You think Manning(either one) is better than Brady? Weak armed and overrated? Just say no to drugs will be contacting you shortly. You are out of your mind. So if Super Bowl rings aren't justification for greatness then what is? Regular season awards that even Marino said he would trade in for 1 Super Bowl ring must explain how ludicrous your statements are. jhitchins1,

You have got to be kidding me? You think Manning(either one) is better than Brady? Weak armed and overrated? Just say no to drugs will be contacting you shortly. You are out of your mind. So if Super Bowl rings aren’t justification for greatness then what is? Regular season awards that even Marino said he would trade in for 1 Super Bowl ring must explain how ludicrous your statements are.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8258 jhitchins1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:31:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8258 Seriously, SeanMartin, are you just a fan, or is there something else going on here? "Deny his greatness"? Sounds like you worship the man rather than cheer for him. Anyways, I never said he doesn't deserve a paycheck, just not a bigger one. And for arm strength, I'm refering more to velocity than distance. Almost any pro (or even college) QB can throw a ball 50 yards, just not accurately and with proper speed. Brady never had until this year, with Moss being able to mask the underthrows and lame ducks. Seriously, SeanMartin, are you just a fan, or is there something else going on here? “Deny his greatness”? Sounds like you worship the man rather than cheer for him. Anyways, I never said he doesn’t deserve a paycheck, just not a bigger one. And for arm strength, I’m refering more to velocity than distance. Almost any pro (or even college) QB can throw a ball 50 yards, just not accurately and with proper speed. Brady never had until this year, with Moss being able to mask the underthrows and lame ducks.

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]]> By: DozenDeuce http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8202 DozenDeuce Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:06:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8202 Not being a Patriots fan, I understand the point jhitchins1 is making but think he's missing something. Great players can make systems look better than they actually are and I feel Brady's a great example of this. Since we've seen him throw deep bombs over half the length of a football field, the arm strength argument is flawed in my opinion, now that he actually has a legitamte deep threat at WR. But more important than that is the ability to make everyone around him better. He's always made his line better with his ability to move in the pocket. He's always made his WR's better by consistanly throwing an accurate & catchable ball. He's always made his RB's better by forcing D coordinators to respect the passing game. And he's always made the system better by finding the open reciever and remaining poised under tremendous pressure, many times having to make a game-deciding drive as time was running out. I think that jhitchins1 is right about wins many times being misleading, but that depends on whether the W was BECAUSE OF this player or IN SPITE OF this player. In my opinion, the Patriots would never have won as much as they did if Delhomme or Garcia were under center. Hell, I remember when everyone used to say the same things about Montana: no arm strength, only throws short passes & WR's do all the work, only wins because of genius coach, great receiver makes him look better than he is. But now biased people accept him for the great player he was, and after he retires people will do the same with Brady. Not being a Patriots fan, I understand the point jhitchins1 is making but think he’s missing something. Great players can make systems look better than they actually are and I feel Brady’s a great example of this. Since we’ve seen him throw deep bombs over half the length of a football field, the arm strength argument is flawed in my opinion, now that he actually has a legitamte deep threat at WR.

But more important than that is the ability to make everyone around him better. He’s always made his line better with his ability to move in the pocket. He’s always made his WR’s better by consistanly throwing an accurate & catchable ball. He’s always made his RB’s better by forcing D coordinators to respect the passing game. And he’s always made the system better by finding the open reciever and remaining poised under tremendous pressure, many times having to make a game-deciding drive as time was running out.

I think that jhitchins1 is right about wins many times being misleading, but that depends on whether the W was BECAUSE OF this player or IN SPITE OF this player. In my opinion, the Patriots would never have won as much as they did if Delhomme or Garcia were under center.

Hell, I remember when everyone used to say the same things about Montana: no arm strength, only throws short passes & WR’s do all the work, only wins because of genius coach, great receiver makes him look better than he is. But now biased people accept him for the great player he was, and after he retires people will do the same with Brady.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8139 jhitchins1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:16:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8139 I didn't know that a plethora of 5 yard passes constitutes a highlight reel. You tell me that I'm not open minded, that must make you the kettle. All I'm saying is watch his games, really watch them. The majority of the balls that leave his hand travel 5 to 10 yards. As for the pocket presence, see above comments. I didn’t know that a plethora of 5 yard passes constitutes a highlight reel. You tell me that I’m not open minded, that must make you the kettle. All I’m saying is watch his games, really watch them. The majority of the balls that leave his hand travel 5 to 10 yards. As for the pocket presence, see above comments.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8135 SeanMartin Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:41:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8135 "Maybe Brady has never asked for a raise because he knows he doesn’t deserve one. If he ever had to leave New England and their excellent offensive game plan, he would be exposed for the weak armed, over rated quarterback he truly is. My opinion is he will take whatever salary he is given as he continues to dink and dunk his way into the Hall of Fame." How do you argue for your first statement? It is nonsensical of you to think Brady doesn't deserve what he is being paid. I refuse to argue with you further; we're beyond reason. I've come across many people who hate the Patriots, mainly because they keep winning, but it is a rarity that I come across someone who thinks Tom Brady is "weak armed" and "over rated". I simply do not believe you honestly think Brady isn't as good as he is; I feel you just need to deny his greatness. Also, you can have great pocket presence, and still get sacked, if your offensive line plays like a bunch of 8 man North Dakota high school freshman. “Maybe Brady has never asked for a raise because he knows he doesn’t deserve one. If he ever had to leave New England and their excellent offensive game plan, he would be exposed for the weak armed, over rated quarterback he truly is. My opinion is he will take whatever salary he is given as he continues to dink and dunk his way into the Hall of Fame.”

How do you argue for your first statement? It is nonsensical of you to think Brady doesn’t deserve what he is being paid. I refuse to argue with you further; we’re beyond reason. I’ve come across many people who hate the Patriots, mainly because they keep winning, but it is a rarity that I come across someone who thinks Tom Brady is “weak armed” and “over rated”. I simply do not believe you honestly think Brady isn’t as good as he is; I feel you just need to deny his greatness.

Also, you can have great pocket presence, and still get sacked, if your offensive line plays like a bunch of 8 man North Dakota high school freshman.

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]]> By: Ken http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8120 Ken Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8120 When you want to start naming great teams, especially teams with multiple championships (ie dynastys) more often than not, a great QB is behind center. The Patriots are no exception. The Tom Brady highlight reel is a long one and will roll strait to the hall of fame. Sure he'll have his envious critics (jhitchins1) just like the ones now coming out of the woodwork now for Favre. But no matter what those folks say, Tom Brady will be mentioned in any arguements regarding the best QB's of all time. Be it comebacks, championships, most TD's in a season, leadership, pocket presence or whatever else has to do with QB greatness, his name will be mentioned. Aside from that, he's not even through yet so let his critics blithly fire away because those in the know, the guys he's played against, the guys he's played for and any open minded individual that knows anything about football will tell you that Tom Brady is one of the very best to ever play the game. When you want to start naming great teams, especially teams with multiple championships (ie dynastys) more often than not, a great QB is behind center. The Patriots are no exception. The Tom Brady highlight reel is a long one and will roll strait to the hall of fame. Sure he’ll have his envious critics (jhitchins1) just like the ones now coming out of the woodwork now for Favre. But no matter what those folks say, Tom Brady will be mentioned in any arguements regarding the best QB’s of all time. Be it comebacks, championships, most TD’s in a season, leadership, pocket presence or whatever else has to do with QB greatness, his name will be mentioned. Aside from that, he’s not even through yet so let his critics blithly fire away because those in the know, the guys he’s played against, the guys he’s played for and any open minded individual that knows anything about football will tell you that Tom Brady is one of the very best to ever play the game.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8103 jhitchins1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:33:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8103 One more thing. I would think that someone with the "best pocket presence ever" could avoid getting sacked 5 times in the Super Bowl against a constant 4 man rush and an occasional one man blitz. One more thing. I would think that someone with the “best pocket presence ever” could avoid getting sacked 5 times in the Super Bowl against a constant 4 man rush and an occasional one man blitz.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8101 jhitchins1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:17:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8101 Again with the excuses and "what ifs". I can see I'm not getting through to you. I'll give you a number four for your excuse list 4: Brady doesn't get flustered after being pressured in the pocket for the first time all season, and they win. Also, Darryl Bevell and Brooks Bollinger lead Wisconsin to Big Ten titles, so that must mean they are great as well. I have said this before, apparently it hasn't sunk in. Titles don't measure individual greatness, only the greatness of the team. And the thinking of him religiously thing, frankly, that's just a little disturbing. Although this does explain alot... Again with the excuses and “what ifs”. I can see I’m not getting through to you. I’ll give you a number four for your excuse list 4: Brady doesn’t get flustered after being pressured in the pocket for the first time all season, and they win. Also, Darryl Bevell and Brooks Bollinger lead Wisconsin to Big Ten titles, so that must mean they are great as well. I have said this before, apparently it hasn’t sunk in. Titles don’t measure individual greatness, only the greatness of the team. And the thinking of him religiously thing, frankly, that’s just a little disturbing. Although this does explain alot…

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8054 SeanMartin Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:04:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8054 If Brady won this past Super Bowl, I don't think anyone could say he is over rated. Only three things happened in that game that prevented that from happening (1. If Asante Samuel doesn't drop the interception on Eli's last drive, we win the game. 2. If Ellis Hobbs hadn't been playing with injuries, and Dean Peas decided to DOUBLE COVER A 6'6" WIDEOUT INSIDE THE REDZONE, then we would be wearing championship novelty t-shirts right now. 3. On the Patriots' final plays, Brady tried to go deep to Randy Moss. Had Moss shown the effort he showed during the season, he would and should have gone up and got the ball, LIKE THEY TEACH AT THE COLLEGE AND PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, at its highest point. You cannot just wait for a ball to come to you; too many times do defensive backs break up the pass. You need to jump and get it at it's highest point; this shouldn't be a problem for Randy seeing as he is a physical specimen, and a freak of nature.) Tom Brady's awareness in the pocket is uncanny. jhitchins1, I don't know who you are, or how you are affiliated with football, but it is apparent how talented Tom Brady is. Experts are aware of his skill and touch on it in each pre-game. Christ, he was a winner his whole life; he took the Wolverines to a Big Ten title. He doesn't make mistakes, and that isn't due entirely to the Patriots' system. Manning puts up All Pro numbers year in and year out because he has the offensive weapons, and his defense has sucked giving up quick scores, giving him more time on the field. Brady put up VERY respectable numbers with guys like Troy Brown, David Givens, Doug Gabriel, Reche Caldwell, and now with Welker, Moss, Stallworth and Gaffney he broke several individual records. I think it's funny that you touch on Tom having a weak arm, yet I have yet to hear anything from ANY professional or expert analyzer questioning his arm strength. He has been compared to Montana for the SB victories, yes, but also for his pocket presence. Tom has the best vision in the league, and that enabled him to only throw 8 interceptions this year, despite dropping back to pass 578 times (and several of those interceptions were off tipped passes!). Tom Brady is incredible, and his skill is the sole reason I think of him religiously, second only to Bill Belichick. If Brady won this past Super Bowl, I don’t think anyone could say he is over rated. Only three things happened in that game that prevented that from happening (1. If Asante Samuel doesn’t drop the interception on Eli’s last drive, we win the game. 2. If Ellis Hobbs hadn’t been playing with injuries, and Dean Peas decided to DOUBLE COVER A 6′6″ WIDEOUT INSIDE THE REDZONE, then we would be wearing championship novelty t-shirts right now. 3. On the Patriots’ final plays, Brady tried to go deep to Randy Moss. Had Moss shown the effort he showed during the season, he would and should have gone up and got the ball, LIKE THEY TEACH AT THE COLLEGE AND PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, at its highest point. You cannot just wait for a ball to come to you; too many times do defensive backs break up the pass. You need to jump and get it at it’s highest point; this shouldn’t be a problem for Randy seeing as he is a physical specimen, and a freak of nature.)
Tom Brady’s awareness in the pocket is uncanny. jhitchins1, I don’t know who you are, or how you are affiliated with football, but it is apparent how talented Tom Brady is. Experts are aware of his skill and touch on it in each pre-game. Christ, he was a winner his whole life; he took the Wolverines to a Big Ten title. He doesn’t make mistakes, and that isn’t due entirely to the Patriots’ system. Manning puts up All Pro numbers year in and year out because he has the offensive weapons, and his defense has sucked giving up quick scores, giving him more time on the field. Brady put up VERY respectable numbers with guys like Troy Brown, David Givens, Doug Gabriel, Reche Caldwell, and now with Welker, Moss, Stallworth and Gaffney he broke several individual records. I think it’s funny that you touch on Tom having a weak arm, yet I have yet to hear anything from ANY professional or expert analyzer questioning his arm strength. He has been compared to Montana for the SB victories, yes, but also for his pocket presence. Tom has the best vision in the league, and that enabled him to only throw 8 interceptions this year, despite dropping back to pass 578 times (and several of those interceptions were off tipped passes!). Tom Brady is incredible, and his skill is the sole reason I think of him religiously, second only to Bill Belichick.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8037 jhitchins1 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:01:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8037 Yeah, and if Kyle Boller doesn't throw 2 picks in the 4th quarter, the Pats don't go 18-0. It's all hypothetical. I know that all Patriot fans think Brady is a super hero, but take the blinders off and look at it from an unbiased point of view. The system he plays in calls for short passes with the receivers gaining the bulk of the yards after the catch. Yes he does occassionally throw deep to Moss for long TD's, but so did Culpepper, and look at him now. His stats are the product of a great team, and I don't think he would have near the success in a different environment. And top 5 ever? Marino, Elway, Montana, Favre, Unitas, Manning, Starr, Young, they all have top 5 arguments, and Brady is nowhere near that level. Yeah, and if Kyle Boller doesn’t throw 2 picks in the 4th quarter, the Pats don’t go 18-0. It’s all hypothetical. I know that all Patriot fans think Brady is a super hero, but take the blinders off and look at it from an unbiased point of view. The system he plays in calls for short passes with the receivers gaining the bulk of the yards after the catch. Yes he does occassionally throw deep to Moss for long TD’s, but so did Culpepper, and look at him now. His stats are the product of a great team, and I don’t think he would have near the success in a different environment. And top 5 ever? Marino, Elway, Montana, Favre, Unitas, Manning, Starr, Young, they all have top 5 arguments, and Brady is nowhere near that level.

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]]> By: Ken http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8005 Ken Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:06:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-8005 jhitchins1 Tom Brady is one of the top 5 qb's to ever play the game. His leadership qualities are tops. His ability to feel the rush and move up in the pocket is as good as there has ever been. Each receiver that leaves the Pats goes on to do nothing while Randy Moss has his greatest year at an advanced age. To say that 5 to 10 guys could have been plugged in and won those three superbowls is a joke. If Samuel makes an easy interception he wins his fourth in a perfect season. If he played for the Colts with Harrison all these years then the Colts would have at least three SB trophys. He'll be a first vote hall of famer and despite the ridiculous things your saying, will be respected by all his opponants. Trent Dilfer won because the Ravens had one of the best defenses in history. If Brady had that defense he'd have six rings. You'd love to have him on your team whoever that may be. jhitchins1
Tom Brady is one of the top 5 qb’s to ever play the game.
His leadership qualities are tops. His ability to feel the rush and move up in the pocket is as good as there has ever been. Each receiver that leaves the Pats goes on to do nothing while Randy Moss has his greatest year at an advanced age. To say that 5 to 10 guys could have been plugged in and won those three superbowls is a joke. If Samuel makes an easy interception he wins his fourth in a perfect season. If he played for the Colts with Harrison all these years then the Colts would have at least three SB trophys. He’ll be a first vote hall of famer and despite the ridiculous things your saying, will be respected by all his opponants. Trent Dilfer won because the Ravens had one of the best defenses in history. If Brady had that defense he’d have six rings. You’d love to have him on your team whoever that may be.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7988 jhitchins1 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:35:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7988 I'm watching him throw 4 yard passes and having 2 Pro Bowl recievers run for 20 more. You're just further proving my point, he is the product of a good system, take him out of it and you have an above average QB, along the lines of a Jake Delhomme or Jeff Garcia. I’m watching him throw 4 yard passes and having 2 Pro Bowl recievers run for 20 more. You’re just further proving my point, he is the product of a good system, take him out of it and you have an above average QB, along the lines of a Jake Delhomme or Jeff Garcia.

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7975 Pastabelly Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:30:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7975 jhitchins1, Brady has a gun for an arm and is a better deep passer than Manning. Once he got his weapons, his average yardage per attempted pass went way up and is 1/2 in excess of Manning's. I don't know what you're watching. jhitchins1, Brady has a gun for an arm and is a better deep passer than Manning. Once he got his weapons, his average yardage per attempted pass went way up and is 1/2 in excess of Manning’s. I don’t know what you’re watching.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7966 jhitchins1 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:39:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7966 You're stretching everything I say. You seem to think I'm saying he's the worst ever, which I am not. All I have said is that he is over rated and doesn't deserve comparisons to the greats of the game. And counting Super Bowl rings doesn't justify greatness, if that was the case, you would have to say Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino, which I hope you wouldn't agree to. You’re stretching everything I say. You seem to think I’m saying he’s the worst ever, which I am not. All I have said is that he is over rated and doesn’t deserve comparisons to the greats of the game. And counting Super Bowl rings doesn’t justify greatness, if that was the case, you would have to say Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino, which I hope you wouldn’t agree to.

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]]> By: NYJets28 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7962 NYJets28 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:32:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7962 Brady is one of the most, unselfish players in the NFL right now and that's why I have so much respect for him, even coming from a Jets fan (I said respect, I didn't say anything about liking him) Brady is one of the most, unselfish players in the NFL right now and that’s why I have so much respect for him, even coming from a Jets fan (I said respect, I didn’t say anything about liking him)

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]]> By: dlmcc0202 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7950 dlmcc0202 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:48:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7950 This sick and pathetic world needs more people like Tom Brady. A class act and the ultimate team player. They should offer him an ownership stake in the team when he retires This sick and pathetic world needs more people like Tom Brady. A class act and the ultimate team player. They should offer him an ownership stake in the team when he retires

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7947 SeanMartin Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:31:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7947 So Eli showed Brady up this year? But Brady didn't show Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, or Donovan McNabb up? I'm sorry, but you either hold a personal grudge against Tom Brady, or you no little to nothing about football. So Eli showed Brady up this year? But Brady didn’t show Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, or Donovan McNabb up? I’m sorry, but you either hold a personal grudge against Tom Brady, or you no little to nothing about football.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7930 jhitchins1 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:16:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7930 SeanMartin, you're over-reacting a bit. I never said he sucked, just that he was weak armed and over rated. There is no doubt he has some talent, but the Montana and Manning comparisons are ridiculous. He's not even close to Peyton, and even Eli showed him up on the biggest of stages. And yes, he was the MVP, but anyone who watched any of their games knows Randy Moss is the real MVP. You were right about one thing, though, he is the luckiest man alive. He "earned" a starting job over an aging, oft injured former shell of himself QB on a team on the verge of years of greatness, set up by Parcells and continued on by Bellicek. There are probably 5 to 10 guys you could have plugged in their and gotten the same results. SeanMartin, you’re over-reacting a bit. I never said he sucked, just that he was weak armed and over rated. There is no doubt he has some talent, but the Montana and Manning comparisons are ridiculous. He’s not even close to Peyton, and even Eli showed him up on the biggest of stages. And yes, he was the MVP, but anyone who watched any of their games knows Randy Moss is the real MVP. You were right about one thing, though, he is the luckiest man alive. He “earned” a starting job over an aging, oft injured former shell of himself QB on a team on the verge of years of greatness, set up by Parcells and continued on by Bellicek. There are probably 5 to 10 guys you could have plugged in their and gotten the same results.

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]]> By: drock81 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7929 drock81 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:16:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7929 If there is one thing Brady could do for his team this year is maybe lower his cap number which is at 14 million due to the fact he dropped his number last year from 7 or 8 million to $785,000 to allow for the Pats to get the Super Freak himself Randy Moss. That my boys is the epitome of a team concept,attitude, and a complete understanding of the salary cap, unlike Peyton Manning. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing......... If there is one thing Brady could do for his team this year is maybe lower his cap number which is at 14 million due to the fact he dropped his number last year from 7 or 8 million to $785,000 to allow for the Pats to get the Super Freak himself Randy Moss. That my boys is the epitome of a team concept,attitude, and a complete understanding of the salary cap, unlike Peyton Manning.

Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing………

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]]> By: timothycwillis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7927 timothycwillis Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:14:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7927 I think it's hilarious someone believes Tom Brady has a terrible arm. Is your memory really that short or was the 50 yard bomb to Moss against the Jets a dink or a dunk? He had to throw short when his receivers sucked pre-Moss, and now he has to throw short when teams sell out to stop Moss. Who wouldn't throw short to the best slot receiver in the league? I think it’s hilarious someone believes Tom Brady has a terrible arm.

Is your memory really that short or was the 50 yard bomb to Moss against the Jets a dink or a dunk?

He had to throw short when his receivers sucked pre-Moss, and now he has to throw short when teams sell out to stop Moss.

Who wouldn’t throw short to the best slot receiver in the league?

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]]> By: markpmac http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7912 markpmac Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:30:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7912 Just another reason Tom Brady >>>>>>>>>>>> Peyton Manning. Brady will never eat such an insane amount of his team's payroll. He's all about the Ws. Just another reason Tom Brady >>>>>>>>>>>> Peyton Manning.

Brady will never eat such an insane amount of his team’s payroll. He’s all about the Ws.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7907 SeanMartin Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:44:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7907 jhitchins1, if that WERE the case, then Tom Brady would most likely be considered the luckiest person to walk the Earth. He sucks and can't throw a football, but he managed to get to the AFC Championship game 5 times in his career, going to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning it 3 times, two of which he was the MVP. He set numerous Patriot passing records (over Bledose) and was last years league MVP, breaking records left and right, all while winning more than 70% of his games, with a stellar TD:Interception ratio. That's really lucky... jhitchins1, if that WERE the case, then Tom Brady would most likely be considered the luckiest person to walk the Earth. He sucks and can’t throw a football, but he managed to get to the AFC Championship game 5 times in his career, going to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning it 3 times, two of which he was the MVP. He set numerous Patriot passing records (over Bledose) and was last years league MVP, breaking records left and right, all while winning more than 70% of his games, with a stellar TD:Interception ratio. That’s really lucky…

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]]> By: davywavy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7897 davywavy Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:04:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7897 tom is great - its not abt $$. how much did marino make and would he trade it all to be on the patriots? plus danny has no rings. davywavy tom is great - its not abt $$. how much did marino make and would he trade it all to be on the patriots? plus danny has no rings.

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]]> By: jhitchins1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7888 jhitchins1 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:54:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7888 Maybe Brady has never asked for a raise because he knows he doesn't deserve one. If he ever had to leave New England and their excellent offensive game plan, he would be exposed for the weak armed, over rated quarterback he truly is. My opinion is he will take whatever salary he is given as he continues to dink and dunk his way into the Hall of Fame. Maybe Brady has never asked for a raise because he knows he doesn’t deserve one. If he ever had to leave New England and their excellent offensive game plan, he would be exposed for the weak armed, over rated quarterback he truly is. My opinion is he will take whatever salary he is given as he continues to dink and dunk his way into the Hall of Fame.

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]]> By: slickrick http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7886 slickrick Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:19:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7886 Man, I just hope I don't hear about him stealing food from the homeless. I think I saw him at Walmart yeterday buying milk and eggs with his foodstamps. We should all be so underpaid. Man, I just hope I don’t hear about him stealing food from the homeless. I think I saw him at Walmart yeterday buying milk and eggs with his foodstamps. We should all be so underpaid.

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]]> By: mrf47 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7885 mrf47 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:18:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7885 By being a winner on the field, Brady more than makes up for being underpaid by the Patriots off the field. His annual endorsement money is between $12 and $15 million with most of it coming from Nike. While he’s certainly not making Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan endorsement money, he still gets the most compensation from Madison Avenue of any Quarterback, even one-time Super Bowl winner and Visa face man Peyton “DE-CAF” Manning. By being a winner on the field, Brady more than makes up for being underpaid by the Patriots off the field. His annual endorsement money is between $12 and $15 million with most of it coming from Nike. While he’s certainly not making Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan endorsement money, he still gets the most compensation from Madison Avenue of any Quarterback, even one-time Super Bowl winner and Visa face man Peyton “DE-CAF” Manning.

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7883 Pastabelly Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:47:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7883 Brady also could make much more in endorsements. He's not a money grubber and doesn't have to have the highest contract or do every commercial. Florio never mentioned that Brady should try to get a new deal after Vick got a better deal. Brady will be taken care of when the time comes. He has never made a spectacle of hid contract and has always low keyed it. Yee and Brady may already be doing something - quietly. Brady also could make much more in endorsements. He’s not a money grubber and doesn’t have to have the highest contract or do every commercial. Florio never mentioned that Brady should try to get a new deal after Vick got a better deal. Brady will be taken care of when the time comes. He has never made a spectacle of hid contract and has always low keyed it. Yee and Brady may already be doing something - quietly.

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]]> By: AngelaF http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7876 AngelaF Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:48:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7876 I think Brady values winning over more millions. I think Brady values winning over more millions.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7874 SeanMartin Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:39:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7874 Brady will never ask for a raise. Brady will never ask for a raise.

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]]> By: FlyingElvis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7869 FlyingElvis Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:59:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/16/time-for-a-raise-for-tom/#comment-7869 He's a team player and the greatest competitor in the NFL, he wont speak up. He's a smart guy, he realizes that the more he makes the less his team will have to spend. The Pats will take continue to pay him well, so what if he has to do a few Calvin Klein ads to supplement his salary. He’s a team player and the greatest competitor in the NFL, he wont speak up. He’s a smart guy, he realizes that the more he makes the less his team will have to spend. The Pats will take continue to pay him well, so what if he has to do a few Calvin Klein ads to supplement his salary.

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